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[原创-美国] Quora:为什么人们会取笑中国人而不是日本人、韩国人或越南人?

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发表于 2017-9-13 13:01:39 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
Why do people make fun of Chinese people but not Japanese, Korean, or Vietnamese people?


Thuong Tran, Patriotic Vietnamese who traveled to Vietnam from the U.S.
I think it has a lot to do with ignorant people thinking that the only asians in the world are Chinese. In the western world, China is like the unelected representative of Asia. It has a lot to do with China having the biggest population of course, but not enough to be considered the typical Asian in my opinion. ( And by that, I mean less than half of Asians are Chinese, so not the majority) People really don't think about Japan or Korea or Vietnam when they are talking about Asia in general unless the topic is specifically on those countries, so it has a lot to do with stereotypes. I mean, people don't really consider Russians as Asians, but a large part of Russia is in Asia, and nobody really classifies India as Asian, they clasifiy them as, well Indians. So when people make fun of Chinese, you should know they are making fun of Vietnamese and Japanese and Koreans altogether, just without saying it. That's why I get offended when people at my school say stuff like “Ching Chong Wing Wong, I'm a Chinese”, even though I'm Vietnamese, and thats because I know they aren't really just talking about the Chinese, they are offending Asians altogether.


我认为这与无知的人们有很大的关系,他们认为世界上唯一的亚洲人是中国人。在西方世界,中国就像亚洲的未经选举的代表。这与中国拥有最多的人口有很大关系,但在我看来,这还不足以被认为典型的亚洲人。(我的意思是中国人口不到亚洲人口的一半,所以中国人不是主体)当他们通常谈论亚洲时人们完全不考虑日本、韩国或越南除非话题是具体到这些国家,所以有很多的刻板印象。我的意思是,人们并不认为俄罗斯人是亚洲人,但俄罗斯的大部分地区都在亚洲,没有人真正把印度归类为亚洲人,他们就把他们归为印度人。所以当人们取笑中国人的时候,你应该知道他们也在一起取笑越南、日本和韩国人,只是没有说出来。这就是为什么当我的学校里的人说Ching Chong Wing Wong (模仿嘲笑中国人口音)我是中国人的时候,我会很生气,即使我是越南人,那是因为我知道他们并不是真的在谈论中国人,他们在冒犯全体亚洲人。


although it seems like only chinese are target, I assure in the eyes of someone who throws such remarks they do not differentiate asians apart. All asians are the same to them, Its just that chinese ones have a larger presence. So when Ching chong, or chink are thrown out, that person could be vietnamese and they wouldn’t care.


虽然看起来只有中国人是目标,但我保证,在那些抛出这样言论的人眼中,他们并没有把亚洲人区分开来。所有亚洲人对他们来说都是一样的,只是中国人是其中存在感最强的。所以当Ching Chong或者中国佬这些话讲出来的时候,对方可能是越南人,然而他们并不会在意。


Andrew Lee, studied at ACCHS - Academy of Chinese Culture and Health Sciences
this is a complex question. but the Chinese population is huge and just like how it is “okay” to make fun of White people in the USA, the global size of China has a similar effect. another side effect of being so big is that it is very difficult to modernize the entirety of the country, which is why there is both the stereotype of the rich chinese spoiled kid, hard working chinese young business person, and country side bumpkin who poops on the grass at disneyland.

这是一个复杂的问题。中国的人口很巨大,就像在美国取笑白人是“可以”的一样,具有全球规模的中国也有类似的影响。国家如此大的另一个副作用是很难实现整个国家的现代化,这就是为什么有富有的中国被宠坏的孩子,努力工作的中国年轻商人,在迪斯尼草地上排便的向下土包子的刻板印象并存的原因。

Korea and Japan are not nearly as large in terms of population, almost the entire population lives in big huge cities and thus the entierty becomes fairly modernized.

在人口方面,韩国和日本的人口并不多,几乎全部人口都生活在大城市里,因此整个国家变得更加现代化。


Another reason is politics. everything is made in China, so “they took our jobs!” mentality comes into the poor people in the USA who want someone to blame. Also the USA helped Japan more than any other asian country after WW2, They fought against Japanese and saw skillful soilders, and during the Korean war the same thing happened, then again in Vietnam. It is deep seeded in the minds of the previous generations of Americans how tough these countries are in particular. Actually it is a trait of Asian countries, but simply, these countries had exposure to the USA, as the USA never went to war in China. The previous generations grew up to be directors, polititians, celebrities, people of influence, etc. and established through this, what is socially acceptable and what is not.

另一个原因是政治。所有东西都是中国制造的,所以他们抢走了我们的工作!”“心态出现在了想要归咎于别人的美国穷人身上。在二战后,美国帮助日本多过了其他任何一个亚洲国家,他们与日本人作战并且看到了熟练的士兵,在朝鲜战争期间,同样的事情发生了,越南也是如此。这些国家是多么尤其的艰难深植于美国前几代人的心中。事实上,这是亚洲国家的特点,但简单地说,这些国家和美国有过接触,而美国从来没有在中国发动过战争。前几代人成长为导演、政治人物、名人、有影响力的人物等等,由此建立了什么是社会所认可的,什么是不被社会所认可的观念。


William Fraser, studied at Davis Senior High School
I’ll base my answer on the assumption that your experience is that of a person with a western background.
I agree with Ming Chen and Yves Shen in that people are more likely to make fun of the Chinese because they have such a large presence around the world.
However, I would also say that China’s past also has some effect on people’s desire to ridicule them. I think that people ridicule the Chinese instead of Koreans, the Japanese, or the Vietnamese because China has a history of disagreeing with western governments.

我将以你的经历是一个具有西方背景的人的假设为基础进行回答。
我同意 Ming Chen 和 Yves Shen的观点,人们更喜欢拿中国人开玩笑是因为他们在世界各地都有这么大的影响力。
然而,我也会说,中国的过去也对人们嘲笑他们的欲望产生了影响。我认为人们嘲笑中国人而不是韩国人、日本人或越南人,因为中国有与西方国家政府不一致的历史。

China went through some rough times in the 19th century when western countries tried their hands at expanding their influence in China so that they could extract wealth at the expense of Chinese locals and government. The Chinese were not too happy with this as shown by their various wars with and (unsuccessful) rebellions against said western countries during that time period; however, the Chinese were never completely colonized or occupied by the western countries. I believe that this quasi-colonization of China allowed the Chinese to keep their identity while the western countries believed that they were changing the Chinese to fit western values.

19世纪,中国经历了一些艰难的时期,当时西方国家试图扩大在中国的影响力,所以他们以牺牲中国本地人和政府的利益来榨取财富。中国人对此不太满意,因为他们的各种战争和(失败的)叛乱在这段时期内反对西方国家;然而,中国人从未完全被西方国殖民或占领。我相信,准殖民化的中国允许中国人保留他们自己的身份,而西方国家认为他们正在改变中国人以适应西方的价值观。

With the expulsion of the pro-western government and the establishment of a socialist government, the western countries that had invested so much time and effort into changing China more or less lost all of their investments. Most people aren’t too fond of losing investments, and to add salt to injury, the new government was established during the Cold War, so not only did western countries dislike the new China for not wanting to be influenced by them anymore but also because they were now seen as a real threat to western society (for being socialist).

随着亲西方政府的被驱逐和现        zf的建立,西方国家投入了大量的时间和精力来改变中国,或多或少地失去了他们所有的投资。大多数人不太喜欢失去投资,伤口上撒盐,,新政府成立于冷战期间,所以西方国家由于不想被他们影响以及他们现在视为西方社会的真正威胁(变成社会主义)并不喜欢新的中国,。

When governments don’t agree, they tend to act fairly bitter to one another; as a result, westerners during the Cold War (especially 50s and 60s) grew up with governments that would slander China because they didn’t agree with it. This whole disagreement leading to bitterness also explains why people don’t make fun of Koreans, the Japanese, or the Vietnamese: westerners agreed with these groups of people. The west played a huge role in rebuilding Korea and Japan and trying to keep Vietnam from becoming communist (Vietnam is a bit tricky because they, like the Chinese, were seen as against the west; however, they also had a large amount of refugees settle in the US so people got to experience them first hand and feel sympathetic towards them)

当政府不一致时,他们往往会对另一个表现出相当的仇恨;因此,西方人在冷战时期(尤其是50代和60)与政府在诋毁中国中一起成长,因为他们不赞同中国。这一分歧导致了敌意,这也解释了为什么人们不取笑韩国人、日本人或越南人:西方人同意这些人的观点。西方在重建韩国和日本方面发挥了巨大作用,并试图阻止越南成为GCZY国家(越南有点棘手,因为他们像中国人一样,被认为是反对西方的;然而,他们也有大量的难民定居在美国,所以人们不得不亲身体验他们,并且对他们产生同情。)

In short, China was bullied by western governments in the 19th century until they finally struck back in the 20th century. This striking back led to western governments disliking and slandering China. Korea, Japan, and Vietnam all received huge amounts of help from western countries during the 20th century and are therefore seen as friends whom are not to be insulted. Years later, we’re still dealing with the effects of governments disagreeing with each other and pitting their people against one another.

简而言之,中国在19世纪受到西方政府的欺凌,直到20世纪才最终反击。这一反击导致西方政府不喜欢中国并且诋毁中国。在20世纪,韩国、日本和越南都得到了西方国家大量的帮助,因此被视为朋友,不会受到侮辱。多年后,我们仍然受到政府之间存在分歧的影响,并且让他们的人民相互对立。





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发表于 2017-9-13 13:20:49 龙腾移动网页版 | 显示全部楼层
他们干嘛嘲笑自己的狗?
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发表于 2017-9-13 13:22:31 | 显示全部楼层
指向引导洗脑型的话题
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发表于 2017-9-13 13:23:19 龙腾移动网页版 | 显示全部楼层
第一是无知,第二是洗脑,第三是无知还被洗脑。。。
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发表于 2017-9-13 13:24:34 龙腾移动网页版 | 显示全部楼层
对手与宠物
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发表于 2017-9-13 13:31:17 | 显示全部楼层
哈~说的好像他们没有拿日本韩国越南来取笑似的。。
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发表于 2017-9-13 13:59:51 | 显示全部楼层
Another reason is politics. everything is made in China, so “they took our jobs!” mentality comes into the poor people in the USA who want someone to blame. Also the USA helped Japan more than any other asian country after WW2, They fought against Japanese and saw skillful soilders, and during the Korean war the same thing happened, then again in Vietnam. It is deep seeded in the minds of the previous generations of Americans how tough these countries are in particular. Actually it is a trait of Asian countries, but simply, these countries had exposure to the USA, as the USA never went to war in China. The previous generations grew up to be directors, polititians, celebrities, people of influence, etc. and established through this, what is socially acceptable and what is not.


另一个原因是政治。所有东西都是中国制造的,所以“他们抢走了我们的工作!”“心态出现在了想要归咎于别人的美国穷人身上。”在二战后,美国帮助日本多过了其他任何一个亚洲国家,他们与日本人作战并且看到了熟练的士兵,在朝鲜战争期间,同样的事情发生了,越南也是如此。这些国家是多么尤其的艰难深植于美国前几代人的心中。事实上,这是亚洲国家的特点,但简单地说,这些国家和美国有过接触,而美国从来没有在中国发动过战争。前几代人成长为导演、政治人物、名人、有影响力的人物等等,由此建立了什么是社会所认可的,什么是不被社会所认可的观念。

那是因为美国佬在中国家门口搞事被志愿军拍回去的缘故。而美国人索性就“忘记”这个事情。
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发表于 2017-9-13 14:03:20 | 显示全部楼层
只有中国才能代表亚洲。
只有中国才能给亚洲带来新的荣耀。
其他亚洲人已经跪倒在西方面前。

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发表于 2017-9-13 14:15:17 | 显示全部楼层
小狗狗多可爱,可恶的邻居居然不能满足狗狗到邻居家排便的需求。
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发表于 2017-9-13 14:33:07 | 显示全部楼层
驯服后的狗和野生的狼你更害怕那个? 越害怕的才会越去抹黑证明自己不怕
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发表于 2017-9-13 14:36:15 龙腾移动网页版 | 显示全部楼层
当看到一个东亚人时,分辨不出哪个国家的人,大概率是中国人,那么他可能潜意识认为是中国人,就开始嘲笑了。经常接触的白人是美国人时,再看到一个白人不顺眼时,很可能说他美国人如何如何。
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发表于 2017-9-13 14:44:42 | 显示全部楼层
其实我们也一样分辨不出英国人、美国人、法国人……有什么区别。
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发表于 2017-9-13 14:53:11 | 显示全部楼层
亚洲对不同欧美国家的人来说是不一样的,亚洲对美国人来说,是东亚,对英国人来说是南亚
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发表于 2017-9-13 14:59:13 | 显示全部楼层
说到底我们强大了,就成了黄种人的代表,以前是日本
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发表于 2017-9-13 15:03:37 | 显示全部楼层
因为中国是唯一对他们地位有威胁的国家
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发表于 2017-9-13 15:04:54 | 显示全部楼层
因为中国不受美国控制
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发表于 2017-9-13 15:13:17 | 显示全部楼层
简言之,西方的思维方式就是一句话“不当狗就被黑”
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发表于 2017-9-13 15:27:45 | 显示全部楼层
只有你的拳头才能堵住嘲笑你的嘴。
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发表于 2017-9-13 15:32:16 | 显示全部楼层
1.他们对亚洲的了解太少了,以为只有中国人是黄皮肤黑眼睛
2.西方媒体几十年如一日的抹黑,敌视的报道使然
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发表于 2017-9-13 15:35:18 | 显示全部楼层
美国已经侵略过中国,在中国台湾省的驻军不是侵略么?当然,美国军队很快跑了
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发表于 2017-9-13 15:51:34 | 显示全部楼层
老是说自己民主国家。。结果不能接受中国的现状
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发表于 2017-9-13 15:52:04 | 显示全部楼层
因为妒忌
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发表于 2017-9-13 15:56:20 | 显示全部楼层
我会对我眼红的人抓住一点点小机会就去嘲笑奚落,小人得道爽歪歪,但是回家对自己言听计从的狗肯定不会去嘲笑的啦,嘲笑它它也依旧对我摇头晃尾,真可爱,是我最好的朋友。
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发表于 2017-9-13 15:56:56 | 显示全部楼层
不知道是不是我的错觉,我感觉这是个钓鱼贴。想让大家说因为中国人那些一直被其他国家诟病的坏习惯。集合大家来贬低中国
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发表于 2017-9-13 15:58:05 | 显示全部楼层
一个是对手,一个是家养狗
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发表于 2017-9-13 16:00:06 | 显示全部楼层
大概是因为发生在中国的操蛋事特别多,中国官民的海外做派又多给人大而无当的印象,是容易得到共鸣的批判标的。
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发表于 2017-9-13 16:00:59 | 显示全部楼层
一个听话的中国政府才是好中国,可惜咱们不是日本人、韩国人。
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发表于 2017-9-13 16:01:04 | 显示全部楼层
废话,谁会没事去嘲笑自家养的狗?
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发表于 2017-9-13 16:10:40 | 显示全部楼层
只有你打碎他们的牙齿,才能堵住他们的嘴,我相信这一天不会太晚的。
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发表于 2017-9-13 16:12:08 | 显示全部楼层
所以美国官方说亚裔新年的时候,那些非中国亚裔别BB逼得到时候美国官方只说华裔新年。
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