今天我了解到，中国的高中生要从早上 6 点 20 分学习到晚上 11 点，为大学入学考试（高考）做准备。
TIL that there is a high school in China where students study from 6.20am to 11pm to prepare for college admission exam (gaokao)
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“有一所”高中？这是中国普通高中+补习班的缩影。
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TIL that there is a high school in China where students study from 6.20am to 11pm to prepare for college admission exam (gaokao)
今天我了解到，中国有一所高中，学生从早上 6 点 20 分学习到晚上 11 点，为大学入学考试（高考）做准备。
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"A" high school? That's just normal high school+cram school in China.
“有一所”高中？这是中国普通高中+补习班的缩影。
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But didn't the party forbid extra curricular gaokao training couple of year ago? I don't remember what was the motif and I'm sure the after school cramming schools are still active.
但几年前党不是禁止课外高考培训吗？我不记得是什么主题了，我相信课外补习学校仍然活跃。
Only recent years after seeing what south korea has became,and banning this require both student and parents efforts(some dipshit just willing to work their kids to death).So we could expect more changes in the future.
直到最近几年，在看到韩国变成了什么样子之后才开始的，禁止这种行为需要学生和家长的共同努力（一些王八蛋只想让他们的孩子学到死）。所以我们可以期待未来会有更多的变化。
Yes, but now the kids just have tutors come to their homes to help. If they're rich enough of course, it's like $80 an hour for these tutors
是的，但现在孩子们只需请家教上门辅导。当然，前提是他们有钱，这些家教的费用大概是每小时 80 美元
Did this shit in Korea too. School 8am-10pm then we’d go to academy after hours till like 1-2.
在韩国也是这样。上学时间从早上 8 点到晚上 10 点，放学后我们就去补习，直到凌晨 1 点到 2 点。
This is child abuse IMO.
在我看来，这是虐待儿童。
Yeah. Not to mention wasted effort - the human brain cannot learn for that long continuously. You have to take breaks for your brain to properly internalize what you've learned.
Of those dozen hours they're spending, they're only getting maybe 5 hours of actual productive learning.
是啊。更不用说对精力的浪费了--人脑不可能连续学习那么长时间。你必须休息一下，大脑才能正确地消化你所学到的知识。
在他们花费的十几个小时中，真正有成效的学习时间可能只有 5 个小时。
Worth noting that there's no real learning happening - the students are just memorising their textbooks. The exams are all based on regurgitating memorized facts or even entire passages/poems from books.
Your point still stands though - it's probably not possible to memorize for so many hours straight.
值得注意的是，并没有真正的学习发生——学生们只是在背课本。考试都基于那些需要死记硬背的事实，甚至是书本上的整个段落/诗歌。
不过，你的观点仍然成立——连续背这么多小时也是不可能的。
Singapore does it too. “World class education” consists of regurgitating model answers memorised from practicing on decade-old exam papers. There’s no real learning, it’s just about knowing the correct answers and getting As means you memorised better than someone else. And then we wonder why we don’t produce notable talented individuals.
新加坡也是这样。“世界一流的教育”就是通过反复练习十几年前的试卷而记住标准答案。没有真正的学习，只是知道正确答案，获得 A 只是意味着你比其他人记得更好。然后我们还不知道为什么我们培养不出杰出的人才。
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I wonder if this is helping to reduce both nation’s population growth, because who wants to have a child younger when you know they’re going to go through this, and you simply don’t have the time to fuck.
我很好奇这是不是阻碍两国人口增长的一个因素，因为当你年轻，想到你的后代还要再经历一遍这些东西时，谁会想要生一个孩子，而且你根本没有时间去谈恋爱。
Anecdotal here,but quite a few of my Chinese friends do tell me that’s part of the reason they don’t want kid or get married,their upbringing is so terrible,their parents treat them like a race horse that’s not fast enough,telling them they’re whipping them because they love them and want them to be successful (some straight up say they invest in their kids so they have someone to take care of them when they retire).
Some say they just can’t bring another being into this world and let them go through some ordeal.
Some just don’t know how to be a good parent because their parents failed at it so much a friend of mine once found herself saying degrading shit about how dumb her cat is just like her parents do to her, and it really frightened her.
And other few just your regular “my school year ruined my personality and social skills so I never had a relationship” or “I’m finally done with my parents requirements,now I’m going to live the free life I yearn for years (still under heavy influence from their parents ,some just straight up emotional blackmailing)
Also “I saw how terrible marriage actually is by watching my parents” is an answer way too common too, honestly it’s a really depressing conversation.
这里有一些轶事，但我的不少中国朋友确实告诉我，这是他们不想要孩子或不结婚的部分原因，他们的成长环境太糟糕了，他们的父母对待他们就像对待一匹跑得不够快的赛马，告诉他们鞭打他们是因为爱他们，希望他们成功（有些人直接说他们在孩子身上投资是为了在他们退休后有人照顾他们）。
有人说他们不能把另一个生命带到这个世界上，让他们经历这些磨难。
我的一个朋友曾经发现自己也像她的父母一样，辱骂她的猫，这让她非常害怕。
还有一些人说“我的学业毁了我的性格和社交能力，所以我从来没有谈过恋爱”或“我终于受够了父母的要求，现在我要过我向往已久的自由生活了（仍然受到父母的严重影响，有些只是直接的情感勒索）”。
另外，“通过观察我的父母，我看到了婚姻实际上是多么可怕”也是一个非常常见的答案，说实话，这些话真是令人沮丧。
I don't think so. East asia and europe have simlar fertility rate if you don't count the European immigrants fertility ratea.
我不这么认为。如果不算欧洲移民的生育率，东亚和欧洲的生育率差不多。
HMM that doesn’t seem right. China’s TFR is like 1.2, but I just looked at France, UK’s, and Sweden’s native-born population fertility rates and they are 1.8, 1.5, and 1.6, pretty substantial difference.
嗯，好像不对。中国的总和生育率好像是 1.2，但我刚刚看了法国、英国和瑞典的本地出生人口生育率，它们分别是 1.8、1.5 和 1.6，差距相当大。
So, sixty years ago Korea was 100% agricultural based society. Now Korea has a top fifteen economy in the world. Their push was to educate their people to push the Korean economy to industrialize.
We can talk about the down side of capitalism all we want but the push for having an educated work force has been wildly successful.
Imagine getting illiterate, non technical generational farmers, to join NASA or Apple and having them have meaningful impact to the business. That’s what Korea did in a generation and a half.
然而六十年前的韩国是一个百分之百的农业社会。现在，韩国的经济已跻身世界前十五位。他们的推动力是教育人民，推动韩国经济走向工业化。
我们可以尽情地谈论资本主义的弊端，但推动培养受过教育的劳动力却取得了巨大的成功。
想象一下，让不识字、不懂技术的世代农民加入美国国家航空航天局或苹果公司，并让他们对企业产生实际的影响。韩国在一代半人的时间里就做到了这一点。
And now they're dying out because nobody is having kids. Great success!
现在，因为没人要孩子，他们都快灭绝了。伟大的成功！
That has nothing to do with the methods of education. You have no evidence suggesting that simply switching from no education to a system similar to the US or Europe wouldn’t have had the same effect. They just went from one extreme to another… I also love, love, love, that you don’t think Korea is capitalist. It’s cute.
这与教育方法无关。你没有任何证据表明，简单地从无教育转向类似于美国或欧洲的教育体系就不能产生同样的效果。他们只是从一个极端走向了另一个极端......我还非常非常喜欢你说你不认为韩国是资本主义国家。真可爱。
When did I say Korea isn’t capitalist?
My Major gripe is that the chaebol have too much influence, working conditions are poor, social safety net is trash.
Condescending cunt.
我什么时候说韩国不是资本主义国家了？
我的主要不满是财阀的影响力太大，工作条件太差，社会安全网太垃圾。
傲慢自大的贱人。
I completely agree this is child abuse and unnecessary. I confess that US medical school is not very different. There I was consistently astonished at how much I could retain with this study regimen. The human mind is very powerful.
我完全同意这是虐待儿童且没有必要。但我也承认，美国的医学院跟这并没有什么不同。在那里，我一直对这种学习方式所能记忆的内容感到惊讶。人的大脑真是非常强大。
Kids are now not allowed to study, work, and use entertainment facilities (karaoke, gaming rooms, etc..) past 10.
Some people still get around it, but most go home at 10 now. Good riddance, kids need sleep in this country
现在，（韩国的）孩子们过了 10 点就不能学习、工作和使用娱乐设施（卡拉 OK、游戏室等）了。
有些人还能绕过去，但现在大多数人 10 点就回家了。这挺好的，在这个国家，孩子们需要睡眠。
I really don't understand this, don't we have like a billion researches proving that making kids wake up too early and study for too many hours is actually counter productive? Seems like they're just preparing you to accept bad work conditions.
我真的不明白这一点，难道不是有无数的研究证明，让孩子们起得太早、学习时间太长实际上是有害无益的吗？看起来他们只是在培养你接受糟糕的工作条件。
Seems like they're just preparing you to accept bad work conditions.
SK has a workweek of 52 hours, or roughly 9.6 hours per day, this doesn't include the totally-not-mandatory overtime and after-hours dinner/drink sessions. The goverment wanted to raise the workweek to 69 hours.
“看来他们只是在为你接受糟糕的工作条件做准备。”
韩国每周工作 52 小时，即每天工作 9.6 小时，这还不包括“完全没有强制性”的加班和下班后的公司晚餐/饮酒时间。政府还希望将每周工作时间提高到 69 小时。
Vietnamese here, middle school would be 7am-11am, 12pm-5pm then cram school/extra classes until 9-10pm
越南人在此，初中是早上 7 点到中午 11 点，中午 12 点到下午 5 点，然后上补习班/额外课程到晚上 9 点到 10 点。
I work at an international school about 35% Korean students, my other students always marvel at “how good they all are at math.” I tell my students they’d be great at math too with that kind of school schedule, it’s insane drilling, not some sort of preternatural ability.
我在一所国际学校工作，大约 35% 的学生是韩国人，我的其他学生总是惊叹“他们的数学真好”。我告诉我的学生们，在这样的学习时间安排下，你们的数学也会很棒，这只是疯狂地训练，而不是某种超自然的能力。
I do think its important to note that the gaokao isnt like the SAT or ACT. Theres one test the entire year, and its lasts 9 hours iirc. And it basically determines if you go to college at all. Like theres nothing else which is used to determine if you go to a college or not, its entirely based on the gaokao score. Thats why people stress over it so much
我认为需要注意的是，高考不像 SAT 或 ACT。全年只有一次考试，持续 9 个小时（如果我没记错）。它基本上决定了你是否能上大学。除此之外没有其他任何东西可以用来决定你上不上大学，它完全取决于高考分数。这就是为什么人们对它如此重视
Yeah, and American applications can be quite opaque and require that students spend hours and hours each day on a variety of extra-curricular activities. At least, that's true if they want to be considered for the top private universities.
It isn't uncommon for top American students to get their day started at 5 to be ready for practice before school, go to school with the hardest classes offered, have another extracurricular after school, study for hours and hours on projects/homework/test preparation + prep for the SAT/ACT and go to sleep near midnight stressed out all to repeat the next day. Then they apply to colleges not even really knowing with any certainty at all if they are getting in which is even more anxiety inducing.
Asian countries just shift most of the anxiety to pure academics, but once you have your score and accept it, that's it, it's over both in opportunity and in anxiety.
你说的没错，但美国的申请方式相当不透明，要求学生每天花大量时间参加各种课外活动。至少，如果你想被顶尖私立大学考虑的话，情况确实如此。
对于顶尖的美国学生来说，早上 5 点开始一天的情况并不少见：准备课前练习，上课时选修最难的课程，放学后再参加一次课外活动，在项目/家庭作业/考试准备+SAT/ACT准备上花费一个小时甚至几个小时，临近午夜才入睡，第二天又要重复这一切，压力山大。然后，他们去申请大学，却根本不知道自己是否能被录取，这就更让人焦虑了。
亚洲国家只是将大部分焦虑转移到了纯粹的学术上，但一旦你拿到分数并填好志愿，事情就结束了，无论是在机会上还是在焦虑上都结束了。
yeah but in America the extra curricular activities mean you get to dance, play an instrument, play a sport, etc. while they do take up a lot of time, you get to choose and many kids find their chosen activity enjoyable.
是的，但在美国，课外活动意味着你可以跳舞、演奏乐器、做运动等等。虽然这些活动确实会占用很多时间，但你可以选择，而且很多孩子都觉得他们选择的活动很有趣。
At the very least, there's less pressure to go to a good college in America. Which is good in some ways and bad in others, like a lot of students never even trying to take one of the biggest opportunities for social mobility. On the other hand, college in China is free...
在美国，上好大学的压力至少要小一些。这在某些方面是好事，而在另一些方面则是坏事，比如很多学生甚至从未尝试过抓住这次改变社会阶层最大的机会之一。另一方面，中国的大学是免费的...
At the very least, there's less pressure to go to a good college in America
Haha. No...
“至少，在美国上好大学的压力会小一些。”
哈哈。你想多了...
They do this in India too. There are entire cities where top universities reside and high school students often will drop out of high school in their last year to study for the acceptance test for the entire year. It's incredibly competitive.
印度也是这样。印度有很多城市都有顶尖大学，高中生往往会在高中最后一年辍学，花整整一年的时间来准备入学考试。竞争非常激烈。
I went to a fairly expensive private school, while I was a mediocre student I was in school with some incredibly smart and capable people. I thought I was sitting next to future senators. Other than kids whose parents owned a business that they have now taken over by nature of their birth, to my knowledge the most successful person in terms of prestige positions as an adult was my best friend who was just as bad of a student as I was.
The thing is a ton of these kids who seemed poised to be so successful is that their parents drove them so incredibly hard, but those aspirations were not their own but their parents. When many of these kids got into college and away from their parents they flunked out or just barely gave a shit about school work anymore. I remember the shock of meeting the class president years later at a bar where she was our waitress, at first I had the shitty thought of “oh wow, look how far she fell from the girl who wanted to run for office”, (she was not AOC) but then i snapped out of it and realized like she seemed so much happier doing some regular job than being the girl who cried that she didn’t get a perfect score on a test.
Forcing kids to learn like this is rarely going to produce geniuses and will just get you people who will rebel from that attitude when they have the ability to do so.
我当初上的是一所相当昂贵的私立学校，我的学习成绩平平，但我在学校里和一些非常聪明能干的人在一起。我以为我身边坐着的都是未来的参议员。然而据我所知，除了那些父母开了一家公司，他们现在因为出身的关系接管了这家公司的孩子之外，成年后在声望职位方面最成功的人是我最好的朋友——他的学习成绩和我一样差。
问题是，当时那些学习好的孩子之所以看起来如此成功，是因为他们的父母把他们逼得太紧了，但这些愿望并不是他们自己的，而是他们的父母的。于是当这些孩子中的许多人进入大学，离开父母后，他们就变得不及格了，或者几乎不再关心学校的功课。我还记得多年后在一家酒吧见到班长时的震惊，她当时是我们的女服务员，起初我有一种“哇，看看她和那个当初仿佛要竞选公职的女孩差得有多远”的糟糕想法，但后来我清醒过来，发现她似乎更喜欢做一些普通的工作，而不是那个因为考试没拿到满分而哭泣的女孩。
强迫孩子们这样学习很少能培养出天才，只会让你的孩子在有能力的之后对这种态度产生叛逆。
Am I crazy or could they not get a full-ride to a good/great US university by putting half as much effort to learn English and ace a bunch of AP courses?
Please tell me why that wouldn’t work.
是太天真了，还是他们不知道只要付出这里一半的努力学好英语，再学一门 AP 课程，就能获得美国好大学/名牌大学的全额奖学金？
请告诉我为什么行不通。
Not Chinese, but the situation is same in India. My family was poor. Couldn’t afford education outside not even private universities. The competition to state sponsored universities is insane because they are cheap and prestigious.
My current monthly salary is 4x of a years cost for engineering (excluding scholarship), a degree in US would cost, twice my yearly salary at least (and would be in neck deep in debt with h1b uncertainty)
A good education is often the ticket out of poverty
不是中国人，但印度的情况也一样。我家很穷。连私立大学都上不起。国立大学的竞争非常激烈，因为它们既便宜又有名气。
我目前的月薪是工程学一年费用的 4 倍（不包括奖学金），而在美国攻读学位的费用至少是我年薪的两倍（而且由于 H1b 的不确定性，我还会负债累累）。
良好的教育往往是摆脱贫困的门票
I’m pretty sure that the vast majority of financial aid is from the federal government, which reasonably stipulates that it can only be spent on US citizens and permanent residents. And I imagine schools might also be more strict about giving out their own money to non-Americans. (I think most also practice need-aware admissions, so if you’re not American they can reject you for being poor). That’s why the international students at almost every major university are generally wealthy. For most non-Americans, going to an American university for undergrad is just out of reach.
我敢肯定，绝大多数的经济援助都来自联邦政府，而联邦政府合理地规定，这些钱只能用于美国公民和永久居民。我想学校在向非美国人发放自己的资金时也会更加严格。(我想大多数学校还实行按需招生，所以如果你不是美国人，他们可以以贫困为由拒绝你）。这就是为什么几乎每所重点大学的留学生一般都很富有。对于大多数非美国人来说，去美国大学读本科实在是遥不可及。
Japan has done this for decades. My JHS students would wake up at 530, go to school for sports practice, then the school day, then more practice, then to cram school until at least 10pm 6 days a week. The upside is that university in Japan is a cake walk once you get in because big companies do all their training on the job (this is changing, but not really.)
日本几十年来一直如此。我的日本高中学生 5：30 分起床，先去学校参加体育锻炼，然后继续上课，接着参加更多的体育锻炼，然后上补习班，一周 6 天，至少要上到晚上 10 点。好的一面是，在日本上大学是小菜一碟，因为大公司的所有培训都是在工作中进行的（这种情况正在改变，但还没有真正改变。）