印尼"三明治一代"在经济压力下挣扎
Indonesia's Sandwich Generation Struggle Under Financial Pressure | Money Mind | Indonesia
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网友：三明治一代并非新生事物，老一代人也经历过同样的事情，只是当时他们还没有这个词。我还记得父亲作为家中长子所承受的负担，他必须每月支付父母家（包括收入比他高的弟弟们）的水电费，而父亲是所有兄弟姐妹中最穷的一个......
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印尼"三明治一代"在经济压力下挣扎
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Sandwich generation is not a new thing. Older generation experienced the same thing, they just didn't have the term yet. I remember the burden my father had as the eldest son in his family, having to pay monthly utility bills of his parents' household (which included his younger brothers who had better income than him), and my father was the poorest of all the siblings. He paid until he retired and it was my time to take care of the family. I refused to pay my grandparents' household utilities. I was only willing to pay for the expenses of my parents household and my siblings' education. My uncles were furious at first but couldn't say anything. They didn't realise what a burden they were all this time, until they were hit by those utility bills.
三明治一代并非新生事物，老一代人也经历过同样的事情，只是当时他们还没有这个词。我还记得父亲作为家中长子所承受的负担，他必须每月支付父母家（包括收入比他高的弟弟们）的水电费，而父亲是所有兄弟姐妹中最穷的一个。他一直付到退休，现在是我照顾家庭的时候了，我拒绝支付祖父母的家庭水电费。我只愿意支付父母的家用和兄弟姐妹的教育费用。我的叔叔们起初很生气，但也说不出什么。一直以来，他们都没有意识到自己是个多么沉重的负担，直到他们被那些水电费账单击中。
I refuse to become a sandwich generation, so I don’t marry and have no kids, lets all end at me.
我拒绝成为 "三明治一代"，所以我不结婚，也没有孩子，让一切在我身上终结。
I'm one of her regular customers. Anah and her husband are managing a simple shop with an excellent service. Named after their first son, their shop "Toko Azka" sells vegetables, various kind of tempeh and tofu, and other cooking needs. They also offer ready-to-eat dishes at very low price (below US$1).
Anah has been working hard since teenager and now at her heavily pregnancy, she's still working so hard. Luckily, she has a supportive husband who work as hard as Anah. I realize, both of them, as well as a lot of us here, wanna break the poverty chain and give a better future for the next generation.
I'm so proud to know them and being their regular customers. May God bless them and their entire family.
Regards,
我是她的常客之一。Anah和她的丈夫经营着一家服务周到的简单小店，以他们长子的名字命名的小店"Toko Azka "出售蔬菜、各种豆豉和豆腐以及其他烹饪食品。他们还以非常低的价格（低于 1 美元）提供即食菜肴。
Anah 从十几岁起就开始努力工作，现在怀孕了，她依然如此努力。幸运的是她有一个和她一样努力工作、支持她的丈夫。我意识到她们俩和我们这里的很多人一样，都希望打破贫困的枷锁，为下一代创造更美好的未来。
能认识他们并成为他们的常客我感到非常自豪，愿上帝保佑他们和他们的全家。
I always tell married people to wait for kids until they are financially independent and financially sustainable. In some cultures, people feel obligated to have kids as soon as they get married. But wait until you are in your 30s or even 40s when you will be little more financially independent.
我总是对已婚人士说，等他们经济独立、财务可持续后再要孩子。在某些文化中，人们觉得一结婚就有义务要孩子。但是，等到你 30 多岁甚至 40 多岁时，你的经济会更加独立一些。
This is common in Asian cultures. When I was little I had grandparents with dementia living in our house and my mother worked very hard to earn a living for 4 children while my father was long term unemployed. now this happened to me, my father really enjoyed his old age happily in our house. he is only 50 years old, not yet senile and not used to working from a young age. I plan to leave him.
这在亚洲文化中很常见。我小的时候，家里住着患有老年痴呆症的祖父母，我的母亲为了四个孩子的生活非常努力地工作，而我的父亲却长期失业。现在这种情况发生在了我身上，我的父亲真的在我们家幸福地安享晚年。我打算离开他。
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Good for you, you should not be responsible for his failure to secure a decent job, especially if he had plenty of time his whole life. Even a low paying one is a job still that could have given him opportunities to bigger ones.
你做得很好，你不应该为他找不到一份体面的工作负责，尤其是如果他一辈子都有很多时间的话。即使是低薪工作，他也有机会找到更好的工作。
I was raised by late father and one thing he strictly taught me and my siblings were we can't become a burden for our children. Parents must have savings enough for their old age and don't become a burden for your children, he said. He even had eight Chinese character at his house which roughly translates as "If you don't have savings, your old days will be miserable"
He did quite well. Never ask for money from his children. Even if we gave him, he'd take it and then shove it back to his grandchildren. Miss you dad...
我是由已故的父亲抚养长大的，他严格教导我和我的兄弟姐妹们一件事，那就是我们不能成为子女的负担。他说，父母必须有足够的积蓄以备晚年之需，不要成为子女的负担。他家甚至有八个汉字，大致意思是"如果没有积蓄，晚年就会很悲惨"。
他做得很好，他从不向子女要钱。即使我们给他，他也会收下，然后塞回给孙子们。我想念你，爸爸...
Pretty similar here in the Philippines . Family values has become hindrance for career self-growth.
菲律宾也有类似的情况，家庭观念已成为事业自我成长的障碍。
This is becoming a global problem, young people are far more educated and skilled at a young age compared to previous generations yet earning far less and competing for less jobs in the market, yet burdened with drastically higher costs of living like taking care of a family. The solution is to delay or not have children altogether. Let's see how scared governments, billionaires, and technocrats become over their precious economies, once global population really declines because of their greed.
这已成为一个全球性的问题，与上一代人相比，年轻人年纪轻轻就接受了更多的教育，掌握了更多的技能，但他们的收入却远远低于上一代人，在市场上竞争的工作岗位也更少，但他们却要承担更高的生活成本，比如照顾家庭。解决的办法就是推迟或完全不要孩子。让我们拭目以待，一旦全球人口真的因为他们的贪婪而减少，政府、亿万富翁和技术官僚们会对他们宝贵的经济变得多么恐惧。
They are already working on having robots, machines and AI replace the masses of working class employees. Trust me, they won't be bothered. ���
他们已经在努力让机器人、机器和人工智能取代大量的工薪阶层。相信我，他们不会被困扰的。
I have a friend that have the courage to get a bachelor's degree while his parent denied it cause they scared that they wont be abble to afford, but he got bidikmisi, a schoolarship which actually very helpful. His parent dont give him a single peny troughout his education but when he graduated and sucessfully geting a job with average income, his parent demand him to cover their entire family expenses. Other than 9 to 5 job he has been working with alot of side hustle to cover it, he always tell me how unfair this situation for him. He couldnt marry his gf, he cant even buy basic thing that he needs even a basic bed, he had sleep deprevation because of alot of freelance work that need to be done. Not gonna lie his family kind of unfair to him. I once have overheard his mom calling him with wrath cause he was late to send them money they were asking for...
我有一个朋友，他鼓起勇气拿到了学士学位，而他的父母却因为害怕负担不起而拒绝了他。他的父母在他求学期间没有给过他一分钱，但当他毕业并成功找到一份收入一般的工作时，他的父母却要求他承担整个家庭的开支。除了朝九晚五的工作外，他还做了很多兼职来维持生计，他总是告诉我这种情况对他很不公平。他无法和他的女朋友结婚，他甚至不能买他需要的基本东西，甚至连一张基本的床都买不起，他因为需要做很多自由职业者的工作而睡眠不足。不瞒你说，他的家人对他有点不公平。有一次，我无意中听到他妈妈怒气冲冲地打电话给他，因为他迟迟没有寄钱给他们......
Sandwich generation is so real. I hate my parent that they had blown their chances when they are in peak situation. They dont even had their own house.
三明治一代是如此真实。我恨我的父母，他们在最困难的时候错失了机会。他们甚至没有自己的房子。
whereas in my case, not really a sandwich generation but worry that my parents generational wealth would end up drained by me
就我而言，我并不是真正的三明治一代，但我担心我父母一代人的财富最终会被我耗尽。
This is an issue of failing pension or welfare programs. Not unique to just sandwich generations but even the old who don't have anyone to support them.
这是养老金或福利计划失败的问题，这不仅仅是三明治一代的问题，甚至是无人赡养的老年人的问题。
The main difference is that one generation ago old people used to die before 70 and the burden was shared among 10 siblings
主要区别在于，一代人之前，老人在70岁之前就会去世，负担由10个兄弟姐妹共同承担。
I feel for this sandwich lady. She is hard working & a diligent multi tasker. She should not have to carry her brother’s $ problem.
我很同情这位三明治女士。她工作很努力，是个勤奋的多面手，她不应该背负她哥哥的金钱问题。
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Sandwich generation is very common in almost all of the Global South countries and that includes Indonesia. This is thanks to decades of government corruption, morally conservative values and incompetence in almost all of structural levels. I can only hope that the population collapse as many young people refused to get marry and have kids. Then those billionaires, corrupt politicians, bureaucrats can only cry once their precious economy collapse fingers crossed ���
在几乎所有南半球国家，三明治一代都非常普遍，印尼也不例外。这要归功于几十年来政府的腐败、道德上保守的价值观以及几乎所有结构层面的无能。我只能寄希望于人口的崩溃，因为许多年轻人拒绝结婚生子。一旦他们宝贵的经济崩溃，那些亿万富翁、腐败的政客和官僚就只能哭泣了。
Im one of them … im really struggling @ my young age have to working supporting my young brother and parents … sometime i hate when my dad make a mess up and ended i have to pay what he mess … struggling and i hate live so much that i dont think my life even worthy anymore dont even want to get married cause i see my parent married is a burden it self… But God still love me , i found good husband , have beautiful kids .. and my husband so smart that we can get through the financial burden that i have before even get a lot wealth now days so even i have to support my kids and parents is no burden anymore… But now me and husband really focus and planning our pension so my kids will never have the burden i have before
我也是他们中的一员......我真的很挣扎，因为我年纪轻轻就得工作，养活我年幼的弟弟和父母......有时我讨厌我爸爸把事情搞得一团糟，最后我还得为他的混乱付出代价......我很挣扎，也很讨厌生活，以至于我觉得我的生活甚至不再有价值，甚至不想结婚，因为我看到我父母结婚本身就是一种负担......但上帝仍然爱我，我找到了好丈夫，有了漂亮的孩子。 ......我的丈夫很聪明，我们可以克服我以前的经济负担，现在甚至有了很多财富，所以即使我要赡养我的孩子和父母也不再是负担了......但现在我和丈夫真的专注于规划我们的养老金，所以我的孩子永远不会有我以前的负担了。
This is for those who judge children who (seemingly) neglect their elderly while those elderly doesn’t realize that these children must support their own family. Often these elderly are so entitled to all the help they “should” be receiving from their children. However, still,,in these cultures they side eye and judge these children really hard when they fail to do so (support their elderly and extended family).
这句话是说给那些对（似乎）忽视老人的子女进行评判的人听的，因为这些老人并没有意识到这些子女必须养活自己的家庭。这些老人往往有权得到子女 "应该 "给予的所有帮助。然而，在这些文化中，当这些子女没有做到这一点（赡养老人和大家庭）时，他们仍然会侧目而视并对他们进行严厉的批评。
its not new for all asean nations.i my self being a filipino is also a sandwich generation but we consider this situation a blessing instead of a burden its because we have a strong family bonding and socialization compare to the rich country. rich country they dotn have the economic burden but they face lowbirth problem and they are low in happy index which means people who earn more and live independently has a lot of stress.
这对所有东盟国家来说都不是什么新鲜事。我自己也是一个菲律宾人，也是三明治一代，但我们认为这种情况是一种祝福而不是负担，因为与富裕国家相比，我们有着强大的家庭纽带和社会化。富裕国家他们有经济负担，但他们面临低出生率问题，幸福指数低的问题，这意味着收入更多、独立生活的人压力很大。
My mom is, she support my grandma, auntie and some of my cousins,, and still continue to support half her children too
I decide to not marry atm (maybe not too in the future),, cause i'm still struggle financially. Next month i'll get my new decent paying job fortunately..
my siblings all married and still need my mom help sometimes (money ofc) ���
I plan to support her eventually when she is retired. I know the pension wont enough for her to pay the bills. Everything is expensive nowadays ���
我妈妈就是这样的人，她养活了我的奶奶、姨妈和我的一些表兄弟姐妹，现在还在继续养活她的一半孩子。
我决定暂时不结婚（也许将来也不会），因为我在经济上还很拮据。幸运的是下个月我就能找到新的体面工作了。
我的兄弟姐妹都结婚了，有时还需要我妈妈帮忙（当然是钱）。
我打算等她退休后再赡养她，我知道退休金不够她付账单，现在什么都贵。
i'm happy become sandwitch generation, because it feels fulfilling when i can help my parent even in small way. they don't ask, but when i have the money, i will share. when it was bad month, i dont.
我很高兴成为三明治的一代，因为我可以帮助父母，哪怕是很小的帮助，我也会觉得很充实。他们不会问我，但我有钱的时候我会分享。
I can't even read all of this comments here, it's make my heart extremely hurt seeing what a lot of people have been through because they were born of irresponsible parents ���
我都不忍心看这些评论了，看到很多人因为父母不负责任而经历的一切，我的心非常痛。
i believe my father works more harder as technology not as much as today to support my education and give my grandpa some money, so if my father can surpass it, so do i
我相信我的父亲为了支持我的教育和给我的爷爷一些钱会更努力地工作，因为那时候的技术没有今天这么发达，所以如果我的父亲能克服它，我也能克服它。
Goverment has a part of leting this happens to young generation. All the old citizen are not prepared for the retire plan and also goverment did not help old generations with a social security or anything that lead to this kind of mess...
政府有责任让这种情况发生在年轻一代身上。所有的老公民都没有为退休计划做好准备，政府也没有为老一代人提供社会保障或任何帮助，这导致了这种混乱局面的发生......
They’re well-educated especially in financal literacy, but generational poverty is something that ‘only education’ can put it down. Good education & working will never be enough to end sandwich generation. Most people decide to delay or even choosing to have no children at all to end this poverty, especially with filial piety culture that cannot ends easily with older generations. Pension from the work & government will never be enough with the increasing lifestyle & daily needs prices. This is our problem that needs to be solved not only from the sandwich generational people but also government & private sector to introduce better pension fund for all.
他们受过良好的教育，尤其是金融方面的教育，但世代贫困是"只有教育"才能解决的问题。良好的教育和工作永远不足以结束"三明治"一代。大多数人决定推迟生育，甚至选择不生育以结束这种贫困，尤其是在孝道文化的影响下，上一代人不可能轻易结束这种贫困。随着生活方式和日常需求价格的不断上涨，来自工作和政府的养老金永远都不够用。这是我们需要解决的问题，不仅需要夹心层一代人的努力，还需要政府和私营部门为所有人引入更好的养老基金。
I didnt realize that i am sandwich generation since 30 years ago... Now i only care to my own family like my wife and my children and only my parent... NO more for brothel,nephew or other...i DONT care...
30年前，我还没有意识到自己是三明治一代... 现在我只关心自己的家人，比如我的妻子和孩子，只关心我的父母... 我不再关心兄弟、侄子或其他......我不在乎......
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I love to be in this so called sandwich generation because it is a fulfilling task. Giving back to your parents. That's why I save for my future. And that future includes my elderly parents with my own family. I think having financial literacy and goals help in order to sustain this financial situation. ALHAMDULILLAH❤
我喜欢成为所谓的"三明治"一代，因为这是一项充实的任务。回报父母，这就是我为自己的未来储蓄的原因，这个未来包括我年迈的父母和我自己的家庭。我认为具备财务知识和目标有助于维持这种财务状况。
as indonesian, this is the first time I heard the term "sandwich generation". as a Muslim, it's greatest deed to take care parents when they become too old and can't work anymore. it's in the quran. helping family members other than parents is optional and conditional.
作为印尼人，这是我第一次听到“三明治一代”这个词。作为一个穆斯林，当父母年纪太大，不能再工作时，照顾他们是最伟大的行为。在古兰经里，帮助父母以外的家庭成员是可选的和有条件的。