街坊：996工作文化在中国严重吗？
街坊：996工作文化在中国严重吗？
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996是年轻人的福报……
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scxt_na
I grew up in Canada and have worked in China since 2015. Overtime definitely depends on industry, or more importantly a government job or private company. For government jobs, it is pretty lax. A lot of government jobs are usually 9:30am-11:30am, lunch break. then 2:30pm-5pm.
But private company jobs often have lots of overtime. And a lot of tech firms, design firms, finance or other service firms are infact private companies. In my case, as an architect, 50-60 hours a week is common.
However, I feel overtime in China is actually pretty unproductive, usually caused by needless bureaucracy, bad client management, and just unhealthy overtime culture. I remember this one time, I finished my assigned work from my manager and left on time because my parents came to China to see me. The next day I was reprimanded for leaving before the project group finished their work. I was stunned at this, since I was focused and finished early rather than doing “tea breaks” and chatting during work.
我在加拿大长大，自2015年以来一直在中国工作。加班肯定取决于行业，或者更重要的是（你在）政府工作还私营公司。对于政府工作来说，这是相当宽松的。很多政府工作通常是上午9点半到11点半，然后午休时间。然后是下午2点半到5点。
但私企的工作经常有很多加班时间。许多科技公司、设计公司、金融或其他服务公司实际上都是私企。就我而言，作为一名建筑师，每周工作50-60小时是很常见的。
然而，我觉得在中国加班实际上是非常低效的，通常是由不必要的官僚主义、糟糕的客户管理和不健康的加班文化造成的。我记得有一次，我完成了经理分配的工作，因为父母来中国看我，所以我准点离开了。第二天，我因为在项目组完成工作之前离开而受到斥责。我对此感到震惊，因为我很认真，很早就完成了工作，而不是在工作中“茶歇”和聊天。
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if working in a production line, the working efficiency is dependent on how fast the machine works . because , if one of the labors is lazy or lack of working skill, the production line has to stop and wait for this employee to catch up.
如果在生产线上工作，工作效率取决于机器的工作速度。因为，如果其中一名工人懒惰或缺乏工作技能，生产线就必须停下来等待这名员工赶上。
you probably work on a project, if you are a team leader, and one of your co worker can not catch up the project that results in a delay of this project, then you would get blamed. if you are not the team leader, and you have done your part, then you shall not get blamed.
你可能在一个项目上工作，如果你是一个团队的领导者，而你的一个同事不能赶上导致这个项目延迟，那么你会受到指责。如果你不是队长，你已经尽了自己的职责，那么你就不会受到指责。
HMMm, China is a collective culture.
嗯，中国是集体主义文化。
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For many government jobs, you need to stay on call for role-irrelevant work at night and during the weekends — which is very common, and there's definitely no overtime pay.
对于许多体制内工作，你需要在晚上和周末随时待命，从事与角色无关的工作——这很常见，而且绝对没有加班费。
Since when chine began to turn into japan
什么时候开始中国变得像日本一样了
That is true, but what I meant was big government corporations like China Mobile, Banks, Petrol China, etc.
The public servants at the bottom are hard working with no overtime pay like you said.
这是真的，但我指的是中国移动、银行、中国石油等大型国企。
底层的公务员工作很辛苦，没有加班费，就像你说的那样。
It's the exact same thing here in Japan. Most overtime is just relaxing drinking tea, eating snacks and chatting while who's late finishes their part of work.
在日本也是如此。大多数人加班只是放松地喝茶、吃零食和聊天，而其他人会完成他们的工作。
a 3-hour lunch break???
3小时的午休？？？
Some companies dont say you need to work 996, but they provide free meals at 6pm, pay for your taxi if you leave after 8 or 9pm. It will attract many ppl especially singles, to stay late
有些公司不明着说你需要996工作，但他们在下午6点提供免费餐食，如果你在晚上8点或9点后离开，则支付出租车费用。这会吸引很多人，尤其是单身人士在单位加班
The type of companies and positions that you are talking about are satistically insignifacant, free meal doesn't cost anything but chauffeur is way too far fetched unless you work in some super remote places. You have to be a ceo or at least a regional manager to have treatment like this. My co worker and colleagues that makes about 450k yuan a year(70k) USD minus tax which considers as high earner here takes buses and rides bicycles to work. Taxis ain't cheap here despite it being a developing country, a 10 mile ride will cost you at least 10 USD and the price could go much higher late night.
What happened in most cases is that the company give you some subsidy to cover your transportation cost, it will be more than enough to take any public transportation but nowhere close to covering a taxi ride.
你所说的公司和职位类型微不足道，免费用餐不需要任何费用，但除非你在一些超级偏远的地方工作，否则拥有司机太离谱了。你必须是一名首席执行官，或者至少是一名区域经理才能得到这样的待遇。我的同事每年的收入约为45万元人民币（7万美元），减去税收后，他们认为这里的高收入者乘坐公交车和骑自行车上班。尽管这里是发展中国家，但出租车并不便宜，10英里的车程至少要花10美元，而且夜里的价格可能会高得多。
在大多数情况下，公司会给你一些补贴来支付你的交通费用，乘坐任何公共交通工具都绰绰有余，但远不能支付出租车费用。
@calebgao6931
where do you live? In Guangzhou 30min ride costs 15yuan
你住在哪里？在广州，30分钟的路要花费15元
@Max-yp1iw
GZ taxi starts at 12 yuan under 3km and 2.6 yuan per km after 3km. Also if your workplace is about 2.5 miles away why not just ride a bike or take the subway, getting a taxi ride is an utter waste of time.
广州出租车3公里以下起价12元，3公里后每公里计价2.6元。此外，如果你的工作地点在距公司2.5英里左右，为什么不骑自行车或坐地铁呢？打车完全是浪费时间。
just say Tencent
就直说腾讯吧
It would be nice if the industry of the interviewees was displayed because that’s a big factor of the 996 culture. The guy who spoke about retaining top talent in China was very well spoken.
如果能展示受访者的行业就好了，因为这是996文化的一个重要因素。那个说要留住中国顶尖人才的人讲得很好。
I spent one year working in China, and I didn't enjoy living there, so I returned to the United States with my family. I have never regretted that decision.
我在中国工作了一年，我不喜欢住在那里，所以我和家人回到了美国。我从来没有后悔过这个决定。
They found some really good people to interview this round. It was really enjoyable to hear their answers.
这个采访他们找到了一些非常好的人来进行。听到他们的回答真的令人愉快。
I was surprised how many people considered it normal to work for free. When the work is making money for a business, why should they work for free? Maybe, if the work was making the world a better place...but if it's just about making money for someone else, why? Why do that? We've been brainwashed.
我很惊讶有这么多人认为免费加班很正常。当工作是为企业赚钱时，他们为什么要免费工作？也许，如果这项工作是为了让世界变得更美好……但如果只是为了给别人赚钱，为什么？为什么要这样做？我们被洗脑了。
Making the world a better place and making money for someone else is not opposite.
让世界变得更美好和为他人赚钱并不冲突。
@nsebast
it's not similar either. Someone else is someone you love or someone who needs that not your employer.
二者也不同。其他人应该是你爱的人或需要的人，而不是你的雇主。
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its china what can you do about it competition is too hard due to population company isnt really worried about worker quiting their job since another one will come in may be that reason
在中国你能做些什么？由于人口的原因，竞争太激烈了。公司并不真的担心工人辞职，因为会有另一个工人进来。这可能就是（996的）原因
@kagamitaiga7055
No, as a company owner in China, I assure you I am afraid of worker quitting the company, especially the good one. What is not being reported is that it is extremely hard to retain good employee in China because there are millions of company to choose from.
不，作为中国的公司老板，我向你保证，我害怕员工离开公司，尤其是好公司。没有报道的是，在中国很难留住好员工，因为有数百万公司可供选择。
You're not working for free if that work is helping you keep your job or get a promotion. If you only do the bare minimum, don't be surprised if you get replaced.
如果这份工作能帮助你保住饭碗或升职，那么你就不是在免费工作。如果你只做了最低限度的工作，如果你被替换了，不要感到惊讶。
if the employee are well paid, or have got big annual bonus, and they would think over-work is ok.
如果员工薪水高，或者有丰厚的年度奖金，他们会认为加班是可以接受的。
Its common for white collar worker to not get overtime pay. Blue collar worker on the other hand do get overtime pay.
白领工人得不到加班费是很常见的。另一方面，蓝领工人确实有加班费。
They all know it’s bad, they are just afraid to admit publicly
他们都知道这很糟糕，只是害怕公开承认
Because the people they interviewed outside were all people who liked to work, while those who didn't like to work hadn't woken up yet.
他们在外面采访到的都是喜欢工作的人，而不喜欢工作的还没睡醒。
the third guy basically spoke to that, when you feel jobs are hard to find, employers can easily take exploit workers with the implied result being you can easily be replaced with someone willing to work extra hours for no pay.
第三个人基本上谈到了这一点，当你觉得工作很难找到时，雇主可以很容易地雇佣剥削工人，其隐含的结果是你很容易被愿意无偿加班的人取代。
because they will replace you with someone else. If you can not find a better option elsewhere, then it's what you have to do.
因为他们会用其他人取代你。如果你在其他地方找不到更好的选择，那（加班）就是你必须做的。
Try Japan, it is much worse than China
试试日本，它比中国糟糕得多
This is not a matter of brainwashing, it's just that you think too simply. Suppose everyone in your country works six days a week. What are the consequences if you say, "This isn't fair, I'm going on strike?" The result is that no company will hire you. The reality is that if you're not willing to work unpaid overtime, you're going to have a hard time finding a job. So should you choose to be unemployed or work overtime without pay?
这不是洗脑的问题，只是你想得太简单了。假设你们国家的每个人每周工作六天。如果你说“这不公平，我要罢工了”，结果是没有公司会雇佣你。现实是，如果你不愿意无偿加班，你将很难找到工作。那么，你应该选择失业还是无薪加班呢？
Even if everyone thinks this is unreasonable, when everyone is like this, no one will jump out and say "I obxt", because it is meaningless and you can't change anything.
即使所有人都认为这是不合理的，但当所有人都是这样的时候，没有人会跳出来说“我反对”，因为这毫无意义，你无法改变任何事情。
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Same thing large companies like Wal Mart got in trouble for in the US, having people work lots of overtime without pay
像沃尔玛这样的大公司在美国也遇到了同样的麻烦，让人们无偿加班
I am from china and studying in us. The only thing I can tell is that situation in us is much better than china. From high school basically all Chinese students are required to go to school at 7 am and go back to home at 9pm for 6days a week. After graduation according to Chinese labor department Chinese people work averagely 2500 hrs a year, compared with that people in us work 1800hrs a year and people in german work 1400hrs a year
我来自中国，在美国学习。我唯一能说的是，美国的情况比中国好得多。从高中开始，基本上所有的中国学生都被要求每周6天早上7点上学，晚上9点回家。根据中国劳动部门的数据，毕业后，中国人平均每年工作2500小时，而美国人每年工作1800小时，德国人每年工作1400小时
Asian Boss need to expand out of Shanghai. Please do more interviews in Beijing, Shenzhen, Nanjing etc.
Asian Boss需要把业务拓展到上海以外。请多到北京、深圳、南京等地进行采访。
Shanghai is like the only China city where a good portion of the population would likely know about foreign views of China or western websites like youtube. if they went to smaller cities i dont think they would be able to hire people to film videos for a youtube channel lol.
上海就像是中国唯一一个大部分民众人可能知道外国对中国或油管等西方网站看法的城市。如果他们去较小的城市，我认为他们将无法找到记者为油管频道拍摄视频，哈哈。
From the last guy interview, I think many millionaires already said "even you have enough money for the rest of your life. You still find something to do but you can say no to things you don't want to do."
从上一次采访中，我想许多百万富翁已经说过：“即使你有足够的钱度过余生。你仍然可以找到一些事情做，但你可以对你不想做的事情说不。”
This poor high school girl !!! Baby i assure u, u dont want to work in a company where people die of overworking
这个可怜的高中女生！！！宝贝，我向你保证，你不想在一家有人因过度劳累而死亡的公司工作
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No, actually its the opposite. Do you think it is easy to find people that are willing to die at work? Why do they die at work? Thats because the company is providing lots of incentive and pay or at least the opportunity to move up. That's why workers only die in fast growing and promising companies. Many will try and 99.99% of them won't die. Its the few which takes it to the extreme will die and I blame mostly themselves for choosing to work so much.
不，事实恰恰相反。你认为很容易找到愿意在工作中牺牲的人吗？为什么他们在工作中死去？这是因为该公司提供了大量的激励和薪酬，或者至少提供了晋升的机会。这就是为什么员工只会在快速发展、充满希望的公司中死去。许多人会这么做，而99.99%的人不会死。极端加班的少数人才会死，我认为应该责怪他们自己，为什么选择了这么多工作。
the girl said it. its either you work over time or not work anymore. the difficulty of finding a job in china is terrible even if you are college graduate, employers will not hesitate to replace you as they can easily hire another.
女孩说了。要么你加班，要么就不工作了。在中国找工作可是很难的，即使你是大学毕业生，雇主也会毫不犹豫地替换你，因为他们可以轻而易举地雇佣另一个人。
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same south korea
韩国情况是一样的
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I also feel the way of the girl said. It's not only happens in China but also in other Asia countries. Work life balance is just only in our dream. Although we get the right amounts of overtime paid, we will still always be a slave of the company & be ready 24/7 whenever they call for work. They will instantly take mostly of our personal space times. It's not the matter of how much they pay us, its the matter of how we want to live our lives peacefully
我也对女孩说的感同身受。这种情况不仅发生在中国，也发生在亚洲其他国家。工作与生活的平衡只是我们的梦想。尽管我们得到了适当的加班费，但我们仍然是公司的奴隶&无论何时他们要求工作，我们都要做好全天候的准备。他们会立即占用我们大部分的个人空间时间。这不是他们付给我们多少钱的问题，而是我们想如何平静地生活的问题
@EstrellaChica
Oh yeah. I have a Japanese friend who moved to America right after high school who didn't want to deal with the Japanese workaholic lifestyle. She's now happily married, living in NYC and making 6 figures a year.
哦，是的。我有一个日本朋友，高中刚毕业就搬到了美国，他不想适应日本工作狂的生活方式。她现在婚姻幸福，住在纽约，年收入达到6位数。
When I was in postgraduate education, a manager from a consulting company told me that people at the age of 20s don't have personal life, as they neither get married nor have kids. I just got shocked.
当我在读研究生时，一家咨询公司的经理告诉我，20多岁的人没有个人生活，因为他们既不结婚也没有孩子。我只是感到震惊。
"Allow work to become a part of your life that adds joy." That sounds good on paper, but doesn't pan out in reality. Most people begrudgingly go to jobs that they hate. Very few actually have the luxury of finding fulfillment in the line of work that they do.
There is a point of diminishing returns with extended work hours where employee productivity takes a nosedive. Human beings aren't meant to operate at that level continuously. Also, many work hours are wasted on unrelated activities. No one actually spends every second at their job contributing productively; that's an entirely unrealistic expectation.
让工作成为你生活中增加快乐的一部分。”这在纸面上听起来不错，但在现实中并不可行。大多数人都不情愿地去做他们讨厌的工作。很少有人真的能在他们所做的工作中找到满足感。
随着工作时间的延长，员工的生产力会急剧下降，这是一个回报递减的点。人类不应该一直在这个水平上运行。此外，许多工作时间被浪费在无关的活动上。实际上，没有人会把工作的每一秒都花在富有成效的贡献上；这完全是不切实际的期望。
@Razear
I agree. Also, even if you "like" your job, the fact you need to go there almost everyday will eventually become a "burden" because it's an obligation
我同意。此外，即使你“喜欢”你的工作，你几乎每天都要上班的事实最终也会成为一种“负担”，因为这是一件不得不做的事
You read newspaper everyday, yet you dont read the same news everyday,
we watch youtube video every night, yet most of us dont watch. the same video over and over again for the whole year.
Your job is to serve the customer, yet your customers may not the same, even the same customer has different problem/need/complain than yesterday
when you start to look every small little details in your job, its the time when you enjoy your work. then hours fly faster than you thought
when you start complaining even small little details in your job, its the time when you will feel a burden, a minutes feels like an hour, an hour feels like forever.
你每天都看报纸，但你不是每天都读同样的新闻，
我们每天晚上都看油管视频，但大多数人都不一整年一遍又一遍地播放同一个视频。
你的工作是为客户服务，但你的客户可能不一样，即使是同一个客户也有与昨天不同的问题/需求/投诉
当你开始审视工作中的每一个小细节时，就是你享受工作的时候
当你开始抱怨工作中的小细节时，你会感到负担感，一分钟感觉就像一个小时，一个小时感觉就像永远。
Apart from working hours, what is important in employment and labor law, it's also number of paid leave days, like vacation leave, sickness leave, maternity leave or leave to take care of members of your family when they are ill (like a child or old parent) etc.
除了在就业和劳动法中很重要的工作时间，有带薪休假天数，如假期、病假、产假或照顾生病的家庭成员（如孩子或年迈的父母）的假期等。
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996 work culture in very common in India also for many years... especially in small scale industries
996工作文化在印度很普遍，也有很多年了……尤其是在小型企业中
It is common in East Asia. The important issue is whether they can get extra money to support their livings. Look at the birth rate of China, Japan and Korea and you can find the attitudes of the new generation to long working hours and slave-like office lives.
这在东亚很常见。重要的问题是他们能否获得额外的钱来维持生计。看看中国、日本和韩国的出生率，你就会发现新一代人对长时间工作和奴隶般的办公室生活的态度。