QA问答：成都歼10C比F16 Block 40好吗？为什么？
Is the Chengdu J-10C better than the F-16 Block 40? Why?
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网友：成都J-10C是一款中国单引擎多用途战斗机，于2018年投入使用。 J-10C的雷达反射截面也比F-16低，因此更难被发现和跟踪......
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The Chengdu J-10C is a Chinese single-engine, multi-role fighter that entered service in 2018. It is an improved variant of the J-10B, with a new AESA radar, an infrared search and track system, a helmet-mounted display, and a thrust vectoring nozzle. It can carry a variety of air-to-air and air-to-surface weapons, including the PL-15 and PL-10 missiles, which have longer range and better maneuverability than the F-16’s AIM-120 and AIM-9 missiles. The J-10C also has a lower radar cross-section than the F-16, making it harder to detect and track.
成都J-10C是一款中国单引擎多用途战斗机，于2018年投入使用。它是J-10B的改进型，配备新型AESA雷达、红外搜索和跟踪系统、头盔式雷达显示器和推力矢量喷嘴。它可以携带多种空对空和空对地武器，包括PL-15和PL-10导弹，它们比F-16的AIM-120和AIM-9导弹具有更远的射程和更好的机动性。 J-10C的雷达反射截面也比F-16低，因此更难被发现和跟踪。
The Chengdu J-10C is a Chinese single-engine, multi-role fighter that entered service in 2018. It is an improved variant of the J-10B, with a new AESA radar, an infrared search and track system, a helmet-mounted display, and a thrust vectoring nozzle. It can carry a variety of air-to-air and air-to-surface weapons, including the PL-15 and PL-10 missiles, which have longer range and better maneuverability than the F-16’s AIM-120 and AIM-9 missiles. The J-10C also has a lower radar cross-section than the F-16, making it harder to detect and track.
成都J-10C是一款中国单引擎多用途战斗机，于2018年投入使用。它是J-10B的改进型，配备新型AESA雷达、红外搜索和跟踪系统、头盔式雷达显示器和推力矢量喷嘴。它可以携带多种空对空和空对地武器，包括PL-15和PL-10导弹，它们比F-16的AIM-120和AIM-9导弹具有更远的射程和更好的机动性。 J-10C的雷达反射截面也比F-16低，因此更难被发现和跟踪。
The F-16 Block 40 is an American single-engine, multi-role fighter that entered service in 1989. It is one of the most widely used and exported fighters in the world, with over 2,000 units in service in 25 countries. It has a mechanically scanned radar, a night vision system, and a digital flight control system. The F-16 Block 40 can carry a variety of air-to-air and air-to-surface weapons, including the AIM-120 and AIM-9 missiles, the AGM-65 Maverick, and the Paveway laser-guided bombs. Also has a higher thrust-to-weight ratio than the J-10C, giving it better acceleration and climb performance.
F-16 Block 40是一款美国单引擎多用途战斗机，于1989年开始服役。它是世界上使用和出口最广泛的战斗机之一，在25个国家/地区拥有超过2,000架在服役。它有机械扫描雷达、夜视系统和数字飞行控制系统。 F-16 Block 40可携带多种空对空和空对地武器，包括AIM-120和AIM-9导弹、AGM-65 Maverick和宝石路激光制导炸弹。还具有比J-10C更高的推重比，使其具有更好的加速和爬升性能。
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F-16 Block 40是一款美国单引擎多用途战斗机，于1989年开始服役。它是世界上使用和出口最广泛的战斗机之一，在25个国家/地区拥有超过2,000架在服役。它有机械扫描雷达、夜视系统和数字飞行控制系统。 F-16 Block 40可携带多种空对空和空对地武器，包括AIM-120和AIM-9导弹、AGM-65 Maverick和宝石路激光制导炸弹。还具有比J-10C更高的推重比，使其具有更好的加速和爬升性能。
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The comparison between the J-10C and the F-16 Block 40 is not straightforward, as they have different strengths and weaknesses. The J-10C has an advantage in terms of radar, sensors, weapons, and stealth, while the F-16 Block 40 has an advantage in terms of engine, maneuverability, and combat experience. The outcome of a hypothetical air combat between them would depend on many factors, such as the pilot's skill, the mission profile, the tactics, the weather, and the support assets. Based on the available information, the J-10C seems to have a slight edge over the F-16 Block 40, especially in beyond-visual-range engagements.
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J-10C 和 F-16 Block 40 之间的比较并不简单，因为它们具有不同的优点和缺点。 J-10C在雷达、传感器、武器、隐身等方面具有优势，而F-16 Block 40则在发动机、机动性、作战经验等方面具有优势。他们之间假设的空战结果将取决于许多因素，例如飞行员的技能、任务概况、战术、天气和支持资产。根据现有信息，J-10C似乎比F-16 Block 40稍有优势，尤其是在超视距交战中。
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J-10C 和 F-16 Block 40 之间的比较并不简单，因为它们具有不同的优点和缺点。 J-10C在雷达、传感器、武器、隐身等方面具有优势，而F-16 Block 40则在发动机、机动性、作战经验等方面具有优势。他们之间假设的空战结果将取决于许多因素，例如飞行员的技能、任务概况、战术、天气和支持资产。根据现有信息，J-10C似乎比F-16 Block 40稍有优势，尤其是在超视距交战中。
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Sound and educated answer. As an X fighter pilot of PAF who uses both I would personally choose f16 any given day and twice on weekends just because there isn’t an aircraft built in this world that fits it pilot like a glove then F 16. It’s a steed it’s a beast and believe you me it becomes a part of pilots body
合理而礼貌的回答。作为一名同时使用两者的巴基斯坦空军战斗机飞行员，我个人会在任何一天和周末两次选择F16，因为这个世界上没有一架飞机能像F16那样适合飞行员。它是一匹骏马，是一头野兽，相信你我，它会成为飞行员身体的一部分
89? I thought it was introduced in 79 but according to Wikipedia it started development in 74 and was introduced in 78.
Truly remarkable that this aircraft was begun 50 years ago.
89年? 我以为它是在79年引入的，但根据维基百科的说法，它在74年开始开发，并在78年引入。
这架飞机诞生于50年前，真是了不起。
It’s not an Apple to Apple comparison. J10B vs F-16 block 52, or J10C vs F-16 block 70/72.
F-16 block 40 is an export version of F-16 block 52, so it’s capabilities Is also reduced. The AIM 120 applied Is AIM-120 C5 which has shorter range, about 50km, not AIM-120D used by US. The sidewinder also used export version, AIM-9P4, an export version of AIM-9M, not AIM-9X that have high off bore sight used by US.
Based on the specification, it is obviously J10C China version outmatch F-16 block 40. As usual, China always try to give the best offer they can make, which specification is near to their own.
这不是正确的比较。请用J10B与F-16 block 52或者J10C与F-16 block 70/72比较.
F-16 block 40是F-16 block 52的出口版本，因此其能力也有所下降。AIM 120采用的也是射程较短的AIM-120C5，约50公里，而不是美国使用的AIM-120D。它还使用了出口版本AIM-9P4，这是AIM-9M的出口版本，而不是具有美国使用的高远距瞄准器的AIM-9X。
根据规格，显然是J10C中国版超过F-16 block 40。和往常一样，中国总是尽力提供他们能提供的最好的报价，而且技术规格接近他们自己用的规格。
Thai AF and Chinese Air force made a war simulation between f16 and J10 and info was leaked that Chinese Pilots should avoid Dog fighting an f16 because of J10 lacking energy in a prolonged maneuvering flight.
泰国空军和中国空军进行了F16与J10的战争模拟，并有消息称中国飞行员应避免与F16进行狗斗，因为J10在长时间机动飞行中缺乏足够能量。
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Any pilot should avoid dogfights. All pilots are taught that.
任何飞行员都应避免狗斗。所有飞行员都被教导了这一点。
Funny how this J10C looks like an F-16.
有趣的是，J10C这东西看起来像F-16。
its israeli LAVI fighter made by china,and lavi itself was modelled after f-16.
其实是以色列LAVI战斗机,由中国制造，LAVI本身就是以f-16为原型的。
Yup, the ugly version like most of their birds.
是的，像他们的大多数飞机一样丑陋。
If Chinese J-10C is sooooooooo good and sooooooooo cheap, why practically NO country except primarily investors (China & Pakistan) wants it???
So EVER countries’ militaries analysts so dumb and also get paid to do nothing???
Add: Anyone with a right mind should know that China NEVER gave anything correctly about their country health care (for example COVID-19) and economic growth/forecast etc; so any specifications for their military equipments should be interpreted with great caution.
I Am not saying that F-16 is better; but J-10 is not good for sure.
Because China has zero capacity to manufacture any good jets engines; many decades behind fighter engines.
A fighter jet without a capable engine, what would be any good?!
如果中国的J-10C非常好而且非常便宜，为什么除了主要投资者（中国和巴基斯坦）之外几乎没有国家想要它？？？
所以曾经有过国家的军事分析家如此愚蠢却还拿钱却什么都不做？？？
补充：任何头脑正常的人都应该知道，中国从来没有正确地提供过有关其国家医疗保健（例如 COVID-19）和经济增长/预测等的任何信息；因此，其军事装备的任何规格参数都应非常谨慎的理解。
我并不是说F-16更好；但歼10肯定不好。
因为中国制造任何好的喷气发动机的能力为零；落后数十年。
一架战斗机如果没有强大的发动机，那还有什么用呢？
J10CE is actually pretty new. Around 2020s. J10B/A are older.
The past few years, there aren’t that many major spending on fighters on nations that cannot make or collaborate on one.
For those that do, it would be naive to think, they don’t come under arm twisting pressure from Washington to discourage buying J10C.
Moreover it’s not easy for new entrants to break into market for users already familiar or sunk costs into knowledge/maintenance/infrastructure/parts for Euro/US/Russian planes.
Fighter procurements take ages to announce and years more to materialise.
For the clueless, it’s not like as fast as buying fruits from a market.
Also this is a comparison between J10C and F16 Block 40. It’s possible J10C may be better. It’s also likely the newer F16 Blocks (60 onwards) may be better.
Nevertheless there are some nations like Saudi which already have Western planes are considering J10C. They’ve already had some combat experience with Chinese drones.
Which leads to another possibility for lack of high budget fighter procurements is the rise of combat drones. China is a significant exporter for combat drones.
J10CE实际上很新。 2020年代左右。 J10B/A 较旧。
在过去的几年里，那些无法制造或无法合作研制战斗机的国家并没有在战斗机上投入太多大笔资金。
对于那些这样做的人来说，如果他们认为自己不会受到华盛顿施加的压力来阻止购买J10C，那就太天真了。
此外，新进入者要打入已经熟悉的用户市场并不容易，或者欧洲/美国/俄罗斯飞机的知识/维护/基础设施/零件的沉没成本。
战斗机采购需要很长时间才能宣布，更需要几年的时间才能实现。
对于无知的人来说，这并不像从市场上购买水果那么快。
这也是J10C和F16 Block 40之间的比较，可能J10C可能更好。较新的 F16 Block（60 及以上）也可能会更好。
尽管如此，沙特等一些已经拥有西方飞机的国家正在考虑J10C。他们已经有了一些中国无人机的作战经验。
导致缺乏高预算战斗机采购的另一个可能性是战斗无人机的兴起。中国是作战无人机的重要出口国。
The J-10 has nothing to do with Pakistan, and Pakistan has not invested a penny in the J-10. Who is stupid?
歼-10与巴基斯坦没有任何关系，巴基斯坦也没有在歼-10上投入一分钱。谁是傻子？
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How do you know the J-10 is inferior? Have the two met in combat?
你怎么知道歼-10是劣质的？两机在战斗中见过面吗？
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Problem is, which block 40? Upgrade packages transform a lot of the comparisons of sensors and EW capability.
To be fair to the Viper here, the block 40 is from 1988 and the J10A is from 2005. Ignoring upgrades, that’s almost an 18 year gap. And only to get something from China that is on parity to slight edge. 2018 for the J10C, that’s 30 years timegap. If it’s a real block 40, then if the J10C even had to use a BVRAAM to kill it then we know the J10C is a piece of trash. It should have so many advantages that it could knock the antique viper out with a fox 2 or blind it’s radar, burn out it’s rwr, and gun it from low six o clock. But I digress.
But if we do apples to apples and pick a cutting edge Viper in service vs a cutting edge J10C…
We see the Viper has sensor and EW, avionics edges that almost certainly outdo the J10. Probably a better comparison would be an uprated Block 52+ with the AESA upgrades and better jamming pods.
The range of a missile on paper matters, no doubt, but so many other factors matter even more that nobody, literally nobody who will ever write on the topic on Quora, legally
问题是，哪种block 40？升级包改变了传感器和电子战能力的许多比较。
公平地说，这里的block 40是1988年的，J10A是2005年的。忽略升级，这几乎是18年的差距。而且只是为了从中国得到一些持平甚至略有优势的东西。 2018年对于J10C来说，是30年的时间间隔。如果面对真正的Block 40，J10C不得不使用超视距导弹来击落它，那么我们就认为J10C就是一个垃圾。它应该有更多优点，譬如它可以用更好的技术，譬如致盲F16的雷达，烧毁它的机载计算机，并从六点钟方向低空击落它等等。但我离题了。
但是，如果我们进行公平的测试，并选择服务中的尖端F16与尖端J10C对比…
毫无疑问，纸面上的导弹的射程很重要，但还有许多其他因素更重要，以至于没有人能在Quora上准确地回答这个话题。
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I think manevourability of J-10 C is better than F-16. Also combat experience of a plane should be teached to pilots.
我认为歼-10C的机动性比F-16强。同样，飞行员也应该学习飞机的作战经验。
J10 should have better nose authority, while the F16 is an energy fighter.
J10应该有更好的机头指向能力，而F16是一款力量型战斗机。
Block 52 will equal with J-10C
Block 52等同于J-10C
Are you comparing a 1989 fighter jet with a 2024 fighter jet?
你在拿1989年的战斗机和2024年的战斗机作比较吗？
“ The J-10C also has a lower radar cross-section than the F-16”
lix pls? Thanks!
“歼-10C的雷达反射横截面也比F-16低”
请给链接？谢谢
No missile has better maneuverability than the AIM – 9X. Thank you for playing.
没有款个导弹的机动性比AIM-9X更好。谢谢你的表演。
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Brcke check out the F16 block 70
Brcke，看看F16 block 70
I'd bet that an F16 with the Have Glass treatment would have a lower RCS. Also the export version of PL-15 is about the same as AMRAAM C7. J10C is a pretty nice airplane but if I was going to war id take the F16 anyday. Uses almost all fighter launched NATO weapons and spare parts are everywhere. I agree pilot skill between these 2 would be the likely decider.
我敢打赌，经过座舱玻璃处理的F16会有更低的反射截面。此外，PL-15的出口版本与AMRAAM C7大致相同。J10C是一架相当不错的飞机，但如果我要参加战争，我会选择F16。因为使用北约战斗机发射的武器和备件随处可见。
我同意这两款飞机之间，飞行员技能将是胜负的决定因素。