为什么巴基斯坦空军要配备 J-10C 和 JF-17 Block 3 ，还有近期的 J-31，这么多种先进战机？
J-31 for Pakistan: Why PAF Need J-31 having J-10C & JF-17 Block 3?
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网友：怎么可能呢？印度兄弟喝了一碗恒河水，梦想着印度成为世界第一。他们非常高兴
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为什么巴基斯坦空军要配备 J-10C 和 JF-17 Block 3 ，还有近期的 J-31，这么多种先进战机？
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I can feel the pain of my Indian brothers
我能感受到印度兄弟的痛苦
How could it be? The Indian brothers drink a bowl of Ganges water and dreamed that India was the world's number one. They are very happy
怎么可能呢？印度兄弟喝了一碗恒河水，梦想着印度成为世界第一。他们非常高兴
@Ps, after seeing wreckage of there 5th gen plane by baloch
在俾路支看到第五代飞机的残骸后，我能感受到你的痛苦
Indian military budget is enough to buy f35 without a first thought
印度的军事预算足以不假思索地购买f35
The United States will not sell F35 to you unless you promise to help them attack China. Do you dare?
Even NATO allies like Turkey cannot buy F35s, and Americans are wary of disobedient countries. Unless you become their slave.
With three fourth-generation fighter jets and one fifth-generation fighter jet, the PKA will become the most powerful air force in South Asia.
美国不会出售F35给你们，除非你们承诺帮他们进攻中国。你们敢吗？
连土耳其这样的北约盟友都无法买到F35，美国人对不听话的国家充满了警惕。除非你成为他们的奴仆。
巴基斯坦空军拥有三种第四代战斗机和一种第五代战斗机之后，将成为南亚最强大的空军。
@Rohit-cj6eb Who told you that the United States wants to sell F35 to India? And who would want rupees, like waste paper. I understand， Are you saying you can directly print several thousand trillion rupees to buy?Why don't we just buy the entire United States
谁告诉你美国想把F35卖给印度？谁会想要卢比，就像废纸一样。我明白，你是说你可以直接打印几千万亿卢比来购买吗？你们为什么不干脆买下整个美国
@cy8cg2mj4w don't talk like Muslim use some common sense before commenting thier was time when people used to say why usa will sell f16 to India and then they offer f16 block 60 in MRCA competition and even offer customized make in india version called f16IN
If india start another program like this after 10-15 I can bet that they will even offer f35
不要像穆斯林那样说话，在评论之前要用一些常识。曾经有一段时间，人们会说为什么美国要将F16出售给印度，然后他们在MRCA项目竞争中提供了F16 Block 60，甚至提供了定制的“印度制造”版本，称为F16IN。如果印度在10-15年后启动了另一个类似的项目，我敢打赌他们甚至会提供F35。
fool if india wanted it could have easily gotten F35s and f16s. F21 (upgraded f16s) were offered by US under MRFA, but india rejected that. Same goes with F35, when US placed there F35 in display in aero india 2023. If india have pressured US, we could have easily got those jets, but india thinks of future whereas pakistan thinks of the present.
Our main concern is indigenousness. Currently Tejas mk2 and AMCA. By 2030-33, both of these jets would have entered production, and we would have a much better platform than anything pakistan would have, and most importantly, they will be Indian made.
That's the difference, india is getting ready for the future, where pakistan is stuck in the present. The main question is how much more loan pakistan is going to take to buy these jets.
傻瓜，如果印度愿意的话，它可以很容易地得到F35和F16。F21（升级版F16）是美国根据印度采购计划提供的，但印度拒绝了。
F35也是如此，美国在2023年印度航空展上展示了F35。如果印度向美国施压，我们本可以很容易地得到这些喷气式飞机，但印度考虑的是未来，而巴基斯坦考虑的是现在。
我们主要关心的是本土化。目前的光辉mk2和AMCA，到2030-33年，这两款喷气式飞机都将投入生产，我们将拥有一个比巴基斯坦更好的平台，最重要的是，它们将是印度制造的。
这就是区别，印度正在为未来做好准备，而巴基斯坦则被困在了现在。主要问题是巴基斯坦将获得多少贷款来购买这些喷气式飞机。
If making China uncomfortable is what India likes to see, then making India uncomfortable is also what China likes to see. China is fully capable of supporting Pakistan, and payment for goods is not the first choice at all.
如果让中国不舒服是印度喜欢看到的，那么让印度不舒服也是中国喜欢看到的。中国完全有能力支持巴基斯坦，货款根本不是第一选择。
what ......how the comment you made is relevant to the comment I make ?? I said that insia is thinking about the future and is developing indigenous solutions, and on the other hand Pakistan is not looking into indigenous solutions and buying these jets off-shelf. In the future india will have more of edge over pakistan, since indigenousness is the key to self-reliance and being a superpower.
I didn't mentioned anything about Chinese.
你的评论与我的评论有何关联？？我说过，印度正在考虑未来，并正在开发本土解决方案，另一方面，巴基斯坦并没有研究本土解决方案并从货架上购买这些飞机。未来，印度将比巴基斯坦更有优势，因为本土化是自力更生和成为超级大国的关键。
我没有提到任何关于中国人的事情。
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bruh rupee is stable currency it is part of BRICS and PPP is better than lot of country don't say that while Pakistan is taking loans after loans because of your hyper inflation u know what they say beggars can't be choosers
卢比比是稳定的货币，它是金砖国家的一部分，购买力比很多国家都好。当巴基斯坦因为高通胀而不停贷款时，你知道他们会说什么吗？乞丐不能挑三拣四
It's simple. PAF wants to stay ahead of India. In 1984, PAF was the first air force in South Asia that introduced the fourth generation F-16. This gave PAF edge by familiarizing and trained well in newer technology. By incorporating lessons from fifth generation jets, PAF pilots will have a clear edge over IAF. We have seen competence and battle readiness of PAF pilots in Feb 2019 against its arch rival the Indian Air Force.
很简单。巴方希望保持领先于印度。1984年，巴基斯坦空军是南亚第一支引进第四代F-16的空军。这使巴基斯坦空军在熟悉和训练新技术方面具有优势。通过吸取第五代喷气式飞机的经验教训，巴基斯坦空军飞行员将明显优于国际空军。2019年2月，我们看到了巴基斯坦空军飞行员在对抗其主要竞争对手印度空军时的能力和战备状态。
Yeah , India fighter jet hunt down a f16
是的，印度战斗机击落了一架f16
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Introduced 4th gen F 16
What a joke. You didn't bought them. US gave them to counter terrrorism as alms... But you didn't need them. We saw how good PAF was with these jets in Kargil... Where they didn't even came to help your mujahedeen disguised Light Infantry soldiers due to fear of being taken out by MiG 29s while the Mirages pounded the Pakistanis out of oblivion
引进第四代F16真是个笑话。你没有买它们。美国向你们提供反恐援助……但你不需要他们。我们在卡吉尔看到了巴基斯坦空军的这些喷气式飞机有多出色……在那里，他们甚至没有来帮助你们的圣战者伪装的轻步兵，因为他们害怕被米格29消灭，而幻影则将巴基斯坦人打得屁滚尿流。
yes, you are right. In Kargil PAF could not use F-16s for the want of BVRs that India had but Pakistan was embargoed by the USA. PAF never engages with the enemy at a disadvantageous position. That's their policy. However, Pakistan was the first operator of the Fourth Generation jet. And it doesn't matter whether Pakistan bought it or the US gave it to us. What is important is we got it well before India. To address this imbalance India went to France and bought Mirage 2000 jets. When PAF F-16s were modified and got AMRAAMS, see what they did to IAF. They shot down Su 30 MKI and MiG 21. One can only ignore the capabilities of PAF at its own peril.
是的你是对的。在卡吉尔，由于印度拥有超视距战机，巴基斯坦空军无法使用F-16，那是因为巴基斯坦遭到美国禁运。巴基斯坦空军从不在不利位置与敌人交战。这就是他们的政策。然而，巴基斯坦是第四代喷气式飞机的第一个用户。不管是巴基斯坦买的还是美国给我们的。重要的是我们早在印度之前就做到了这一点。为了解决这种不平衡，印度前往法国购买了幻影2000喷气式飞机。当巴基斯坦空军的F-16 进行改装并配备AMR导弹系统后，看看它们对印度空军做了什么。他们击落了苏30 MKI 和MiG 21。如果忽视巴基斯坦空军的能力，后果自负。
yes, only in your dream or some flopped Bollywood crap.
是的，只在你的梦里或一些失败的宝莱坞垃圾电影里能赢。
Proof of that SU 30 MKI? Just propaganda and propaganda. If you believe that a max range shot of a C 5 variant (whose shelf life is almost over) managed to down a Su 30 MKI, then I can attest very well how good knowledge you have about BVR fights.
这证明苏30 MKI的证据呢？纯粹是宣传和宣传。如果你相信C5（其使用寿命几乎结束）的最大射程能够击落一架苏 30 MKI，那么我可以很好地证明你对超视距战斗多欠缺了解。。
hey i watched a movie where east Pakistan becomes a different country, thanks to India ( obviously) , i also have dream where a brahmos missile was launched in Pakistan's airspace ( it's just a dream )
嘿，我看了一部电影，东巴基斯坦变成了一个不同的国家，这要归功于印度（显然）, 我还梦见一枚布拉莫斯导弹在巴基斯坦领空发射（这只是一个梦） .
yes, we have proofs. The pilot who was ejected from Su 30 was Squadron Leader Rakesh Pandey. After taking a hit from AMRAAM fired by PAF F-16 pilot Squadron Leader Hassan Siddiqui, the jet fell somewhere in the Himalayan mountains. The Indian pilot bailed out. When he landed, he was injured. The time reported by PAF pilot when he hit Su30 corroborates with downing of Indian helicopter that was sent on his rescue mission. The IAF shot it down thinking it was a PAF slow moving drone--all thanks to PAF intense electronic warfare attack that left no option but fire missile blindly on IAFs own helicopter. The India pilot was later rescued and taken to the hospital where he died three days later. In order to avoid embarrassment, IAF declared that he got injured during a 'road accident' . Anyways, we have respect for a pilot who lost his life while defending his nation. Another proof that an Indian channel inadvertently disclosed is still available on YouTube in which two random Indian men were interviewed by some local channel. They witnessed air combat in the skies and informed them that they saw a jet being hit, burning, and going down in the Indian side of Kashmir. The time, the direction of the jet falling down, and time all corroborate shooting down of SU30 MkI.
是的，我们有证据。被击落的苏30飞行员是中队长Rakesh Pandey。在被巴基斯坦空军F-16飞行员中队队长Hassan Siddiqui发射的AMR导弹击中后，这架喷气式飞机坠落在喜马拉雅山脉的某个地方。印度飞行员跳伞了。当他降落时，他受伤了。执行救援任务的印度直升机证实了巴基斯坦空军飞行员报告的击中苏30的时间和事实。巴基斯坦空军认为这是一架行动缓慢的无人机，就将其击落了。这一切都要归功于巴基斯坦空军的激烈电子战攻击，除了向国际空军自己的直升机盲目发射导弹外，别无选择。印度飞行员随后获救并被送往医院，三天后死亡。为了避免尴尬，国际田联宣布他在一次“道路事故”中受伤. 无论如何，我们尊重一位在保卫国家时牺牲的飞行员。YouTube上仍然可以找到另一个印度频道无意中披露的证据，其中两名随机的印度男子接受了当地某个频道的采访。他们目睹了空中的空战，并告诉他们，他们看到一架喷气式飞机在克什米尔的印度一侧被击中、燃烧并坠毁。时间、飞机坠落的方向和时间都证实了苏30 MkI被击落的事实。
man you are too much fallen into the propagandas of Pakistan army private limited, even god cannot save you. Take care
小伙子，你落入巴基斯坦军队私人有限公司的宣传中了，连上帝都救不了你。当心
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you are not ready to listen to the truth, so be it. Bye.
你还没有准备好倾听真相，就这样吧。再见。
Musharaf took a vast sum to throw away Kargil, it's documented. Just as Akbar took diamond necklaces from his indian counter part to throw away Poonch city in 71 by disarming the assault AK battalion.
穆沙拉夫花了一大笔钱才抛弃了卡吉尔。正如阿克巴在71年从他的印度对手那里拿走钻石项链，通过解除AK突击营的武装从而摧毁庞奇市一样。
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worry not. We understand who does what propaganda in the context of Indo-Pak rivalry.
不用担心。我们了解谁在印巴对抗的背景下做什么宣传。
thanks for sharing your dream that you watched last night.
感谢您分享您昨晚观看的梦想。
i mean all of them are true, but you are still dening them, even after getting proof from alk those countries.
I think yes, everyone knows who does propaganda in the Indo-Pak context. I wont call it rivalry, cause theres no way Pakistan is comparable to india in any matter. So let's just call it Indo-Pak context.
我的意思是所有这些都是真的，但即使在从所有这些国家获得证据之后，你仍然否认它们。我想是的，每个人都知道谁在印巴背景下进行宣传。我不会称之为竞争，因为巴基斯坦在任何方面都无法与印度相比。所以我们就称之为印巴宣传吧。
oh wow... Like you were there when they scranbled the Su 30 MKI and you set the roster for the day's CAP for IAF. Jet fell somewhere in Indian mountains which wasn't even captured by any of the satellites which supposedly proved PAF's claims that all Balakot strike did was kill crows and trees
You also went to the hospital?.... Do you know what kind of injuries happen during ejections? Just brazen talk with no logic won't get you anywhere beta.
哦哇...就像当他们击落苏30 MKI 时你就在场，并且你为印度空军当天的出动人员设置了名单。喷气式飞机坠落在印度山区的某个地方，甚至没有被任何卫星捕获，这据说证明了巴基斯坦空军的说法，即所有袭击造成的乌鸦和树木死亡。你也去了医院吗？......你知道是什么样的伤害吗？发生在弹射期间？没有逻辑的厚颜无耻的谈话不会让你有任何收获。
it wasn't me. It was PAF that listened to the chatter going on in Indian Occupied Kashmir. All the circumstantial evidence and subsequent human intelligence have confirmed downing of SU30 MkI.
不是我。是巴基斯坦武装部队听到了印度占领的克什米尔地区正在发生的谈话。所有的间接证据和随后的人类情报都证实了苏30 MkI被击落。
Good Joke
好的 笑话
enjoy the joke till meet in air combat again =
享受这个笑话直到再次在空战中相遇
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that's why Bangladesh exists
这就是孟加拉国存在的原因
yes, the same country you helped creating is kicking out your ass now..
是的，你帮助创建的同一个国家现在正在踢你的屁股。。
Well still we are there but what you son you sang for Taliban and they killed your soldiers...
嗯，我们仍然在那里 但是你儿子 在为塔利班唱歌，他们杀了你们的士兵。。。
you are taking debate to different direction. I hold my opinion and arguments on this issue as well but don't want to waste my time on this topic.
你把辩论引向了不同的方向。我对这个问题也有自己的看法和观点，但不想在这个话题上浪费时间。
it's you who take directly to Bangladesh and India relation while point out your combat ability by the result of Indo Pak war and creation of Bangladesh No wonder why you'll only bark and live in dreams you think have the best fighter jets and yet it's India who won all the war ...
是你直接谈到了孟加拉和印度的关系，同时指出了你的作战能力，因为印巴战争和孟加拉国的建立 难怪你只会在梦中吠叫和生活 你认为拥有最好的战斗机，但赢得所有战争的是印度。。。
ask any Kashmiri living under Indian occupation. He will declare it Indian Occupied Kashmir. It doesn't matter what you or I claim. Secondly, the chapter of downing F-16 is closed. It will however remain alive in your propaganda stricken minds. If it makes you happy, no problem. Enjoy your fantasy.
问问生活在印度占领下的克什米尔人。他将宣布其为印度占领的克什米尔。你或我的主张并不重要。其次，击落F-16的章节就此结束。然而，它将在你们饱受宣传打击的头脑中依然存在。如果它能让你快乐，没问题。享受你的幻想。
That means FC-31 is quite decent aircraft coz paf never compromise in quality acquirement if Pakistan opted to use it something very serious and lethal in it
这意味着FC-31是相当不错的飞机，因为巴基斯坦空军在获取装备质量方面从不妥协，如果巴基斯坦选择使用它，说明其中有非常严肃和致命的优势。
But every one knows jf17 is crap especially first two blocks
但每个人都知道jf17是垃圾，尤其是前两个批次
U r largely right but have to acknowledge that it takes time for such programs to mature n optimize.
JF17 program is reaching its optimization via block3s !!
你基本上是对的，但必须承认此类系统需要时间才能成熟和优化。JF17正在通过block3s达到更高水平！
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boy never give complement about the things you didn't experienced of course technology takes times to develop gradually
小伙子，不要对你没有经历过的事情给予补充，当然技术需要时间才能逐渐发展
they modded and upgraded jf17s
他们改造和升级了jf17
Please make a clip about the comparison of WS-13 and WS-19.
The Military Curiosity
请制作一个关于WS-13和WS-19的比较的剪辑。
军事好奇心
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it's avaialble, but in Chinese....
它是可用的，但在中国。。。。
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i seriously don't think china will do tech transfer on their 5th gen fighters just yet until 6th gen is in lrip
我真的不认为中国会对他们的第五代战斗机进行技术转让，直到第六代战斗机投入使用之前
j35 has gone through 3 generations of upxes, maybe only the first generation will be exported
j35经历了3代更新 也许只出口第1代
LOL, do you think China is an American? When you have F16 C/D, sell F16 A/B to allies?
China's J10 fighter jets have been upxed through three generations of J10A, J10B and J10C. When they are sold to Pakistan, they directly provide the latest version of J10C. China always gives the best to true friends.
哈哈哈哈，你以为中国是美国人吗？有了F16 C/D时，将F16 A/B销售给盟友？
中国的J10战斗机经过了J10A J10B J10C三代更新，当他们销售给巴基斯坦时，直接提供的最新版本J10C，中国总是给真正的朋友最好的。
The J35 will be exported, but there will be no technology transfer unless the sixth-generation machine is successfully developed.
J35将出口，但除非第六代机开发成功，否则不会有技术转让。
Pakistan knows eventually India will acquire stealth fighters from Russia with an outside possibility US..but that would require giving up what is left of Indian sovereignty
巴基斯坦知道，印度最终将从俄罗斯获得隐形战斗机，美国也有可能参与其中。但这需要放弃印度剩下的主权
Na they want new planes its 2024
不，他们想要新飞机——2024年就要
This may be pakistan BLACK BIRD mentioned in predictions.....50% chance or tfx kaan will be...I WISH PAKISTAN MANUFACTURE J31 AND TFX IN PAKISTAN..
这可能是预测中提到的巴基斯坦黑鸟。。。。。还有50%的机会是土耳其KAAN…但我希望巴基斯坦制造能在本土制造J31和KAAN。。
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It isn’t a given that America will supply its engines to Turkey let alone to a Chinese ally like Pakistan. America has already shown its cards when it embargoed the Honeywell engines for Pakistan’s purchase of Atak-1. We know that it was a specific country block since Philippines just finished its contract and received the 5th and 6th helicopters at the end of 2023.
So much for being a non-NATO ally
美国不会向土耳其提供发动机，更不用说向巴基斯坦这样的中国盟友提供发动机了。美国对巴基斯坦购买Atak-1的霍尼韦尔发动机实施禁运时，就已经亮出了底牌。我们知道这是由于特定国家的封锁，因为菲律宾在2023年底刚刚完成了合同，并收到了第五和第六架直升机。
Pakistani TFX will probably have WS-19 engines.
巴基斯坦TFX（kaan）可能使用WS-19发动机。
Kaan will also join PAF provided its engine is ITAR free. Pakistan already has a bad experience of dealing with the US supplied technologies.
Kaan也将加入巴基斯坦空军，前提是其发动机不受美国禁运限制。巴基斯坦在处理美国提供的技术方面已经有了糟糕的经验。
Pakistan will buy J-31 if WS-19 is available. People are so illiterate here when it comes to military matters like it isn’t complicated jets but your grand pa’s old beater that you are doing an engine swap
Most likely Pakistan will integrate Turkish technologies like autonomous drones that will be the hallmark of sixth generation aircraft. Pakistan will transition J-31 into a sixth generation aircraft.
As for Karan, TAI wants full transfer of technology for engines. Ukraine is the only viable option that might give a full licensed ToT for jet engine though Ukraine itself isn’t at part with West or even China since it pretty much works with Soviet era technologies. Turkey is more screwed compared to Pakistan when it comes to fifth generation aircrafts since they really can’t get anything Chinese without the US making a stink about it.
如果WS-19发动机可用，巴基斯坦将购买J-31。当涉及到军事事务时，人们在这里通常对军事事务一窍不通，好像这不是复杂的战机，而是你爷爷的旧车正在做发动机更换一样。
巴基斯坦很可能会整合土耳其技术，比如自主化的无人机，这将成为第六代飞机的标志。巴基斯坦能将J-31转变为第六代飞机。
至于KAAN，土耳其航空工业公司希望引擎技术能够得到完全的转让。乌克兰是唯一一个可能会提供喷气发动机完全授权技术转让的可行选择，尽管乌克兰本技术身与西方甚至中国都不相匹配，因为它基本上是在使用苏联时代的技术。与巴基斯坦相比，土耳其在第五代飞机方面更为困难，因为他们真的无法得到中国的任何东西，否则美国会大动干戈。
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J-31s are already flying with WS-19s only way Pakistan will be getting TAI KAAN is through Chinese engines, people responsible surely thought this through before becoming part of KAAN program
歼-31已经在使用WS-19进行飞行，巴基斯坦获得KAAN的唯一途径是利用中国的发动机，负责人在成为KAAN项目的一部分之前肯定考虑过这一点
I think your ideas are naive and stupid.
The Chinese know very well the significance of engines to aircraft, and they themselves have been troubled by this.
Therefore, it is impossible for the Chinese to sell or transfer their most advanced engines individually.
Give up the idea of KAAN, Turkey simply cannot complete this project, neither technically nor politically possible, their relationship with the United States is already terrible
我觉得你们的想法很天真，也很愚蠢
中国人很清楚发动机对飞机的意义，他们自己也曾经受困于此。
所以中国人不可能将他们最先进的的发动机单独出售或者转让。
放弃对KAAN的想法吧，土耳其根本无法完成这个项目，无论是技术上还是政治上都不可能，他们和美国的关系已经糟透了
I support your idea. There is no need for Pakistan to pursue engine production technology for fifth-generation fighters. It would be great if China could transfer its JF17 engine production technology after exporting the J31.
支持你的想法，巴基斯坦没有必要追求第五代战机的发动机生产技术，如果中国在出口J31之后，可以转让JF17的发动机生产技术就已经很好了。