中国超越日本成为全球最大的汽车出口国，日本有可能在未来某个时候夺回这一位置吗？
China has just overtaken Japan as the worlds top car exporter. Could Japan possibly take back the spot sometime in the future?
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网友：不可能。他们永远无法夺回这个位置。而且，他们最终还将被韩国超越。这是一定的。
日本长期以来一直依赖外国市场，尤其是较贫穷的亚洲国家，而这些较贫穷的国家现在开始转向韩国和中国汽车
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Johannes Sulistyo
Nope.
They might never take back the spot.
They will however, be eventually overtaken by South Korea. That’s for sure.
Japan for long has been dependent on foreign markets, particularly poorer Asian countries, and these poorer countries, no longer as poor as before, are now switching to Korean and Chinese cars.
In the second largest car market in the world (USA), Korean car brand is creeping up the market share pie ladder.
One thing they are betting on, but has no capacity to influence, drive, or implement this so-called “Hydrogen economy”.
Hydrogen is a volatile compound requiring even stricter safety standards than fossil fuel. It explodes, not combusts
It further restricts less developed nation as they need more sophisticated infrastructure to handle it
It is expensive to synthesize, as it used a lot of electricity for the electrolysis process, but still cleaner than burning gasoline though. But a bit worse than charging electric vehicle by burning peat coal
Mining hydrogen is still a new thing, and you may not like the places where it has been discovered
不可能。
他们永远无法夺回这个位置。
而且，他们最终还将被韩国超越。这是一定的。
日本长期以来一直依赖外国市场，尤其是较贫穷的亚洲国家，而这些较贫穷的国家现在开始转向韩国和中国汽车。在世界第二大汽车市场（美国），韩国汽车品牌的市场份额正在不断攀升。
有一件事是他们押注但无法影响、推动或实施，就是所谓的“氢经济”。氢是一种挥发性化合物，需要比化石燃料更严格的安全标准。氢会爆炸，不会燃烧。这进一步限制了欠发达国家，因为它们需要更复杂的基础设施来处理。它的合成成本很高，因为它在电解过程中使用了大量的电力，但仍然比烧油更清洁。但是比使用火电来充电的电动汽车要差一些。开采氢气仍然是一件新鲜事，你可能不喜欢发现它的地方
And then, we also have Japanese efficiency rigidity.
Japan has been cementing, deep rooting its ICE car manufacturing expertise into its nationwide supply chain. For example, the makers of wiper blades, wiper motors, wiper fittings, the stalks, the washer liquid reservoir, each of them contributes efficiency that makes Japanese car the best in the world in terms of manufacturing. Yes, EV cars still use wiper blades, they will survive, but not those making the transmission or ICE parts
It also made them very difficult to switch over to a new disruptive technologies that will render many of these suppliers out of business
Because in Japanese system, they buy stakes in these suppliers, turning them into a web of interconnected network of collaborative giant organisation called Keiretsu. You just cannot let them go bankrupt in your decision to switch over to some new technology. The maker of the head gasket seals, piston rings, spark plugs, etc are probably at some point, too big to fail for the group
然后，我们还有日本式的效率僵化。
日本一直在将其内燃发动机汽车制造专业知识巩固并深植到全国供应链中。例如，雨刷片、雨刷电机、雨刷配件、雨刷杆、清洗液储罐的制造商，它们每个都为使日本汽车在制造方面成为世界上最好的汽车做出了高效贡献。电动汽车仍然使用雨刷片，它们将继续存在，但那些制造变速箱或内燃机零件的制作商就不会存在了。这也使他们很难转向新的颠覆性技术，因为这将使这些供应商中的许多公司破产。
因为在日本的体制中，它们购买这些供应商的股份，将它们变成一个相互连接的巨大组织网络，称为企业集团。在决定转向某种新技术时，你不能让它们破产。某些时候，因为制造汽缸垫密封圈、活塞环、火花塞等的制造商对集团来说体量太大而无法破产。
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Japan has been cementing, deep rooting its ICE car manufacturing expertise into its nationwide supply chain. For example, the makers of wiper blades, wiper motors, wiper fittings, the stalks, the washer liquid reservoir, each of them contributes efficiency that makes Japanese car the best in the world in terms of manufacturing. Yes, EV cars still use wiper blades, they will survive, but not those making the transmission or ICE parts
It also made them very difficult to switch over to a new disruptive technologies that will render many of these suppliers out of business
Because in Japanese system, they buy stakes in these suppliers, turning them into a web of interconnected network of collaborative giant organisation called Keiretsu. You just cannot let them go bankrupt in your decision to switch over to some new technology. The maker of the head gasket seals, piston rings, spark plugs, etc are probably at some point, too big to fail for the group
然后，我们还有日本式的效率僵化。
日本一直在将其内燃发动机汽车制造专业知识巩固并深植到全国供应链中。例如，雨刷片、雨刷电机、雨刷配件、雨刷杆、清洗液储罐的制造商，它们每个都为使日本汽车在制造方面成为世界上最好的汽车做出了高效贡献。电动汽车仍然使用雨刷片，它们将继续存在，但那些制造变速箱或内燃机零件的制作商就不会存在了。这也使他们很难转向新的颠覆性技术，因为这将使这些供应商中的许多公司破产。
因为在日本的体制中，它们购买这些供应商的股份，将它们变成一个相互连接的巨大组织网络，称为企业集团。在决定转向某种新技术时，你不能让它们破产。某些时候，因为制造汽缸垫密封圈、活塞环、火花塞等的制造商对集团来说体量太大而无法破产。
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Japan is simply too late in the game
They tried to dictate the market with “hybrid”, which was cool in 1997, but this is already 2024, they are still pussyfooting with PHEV
The removal of hybrid from Japanese car maker is like deleting keyboard from Blackberry or “a phone being a phone” from the Symbian era Nokia
Like Blackberry and Nokia, they will lose the future main market, but will they accept being a niche player? We shall see. I know Subaru and Mazda are okay with it, but will the likes of Toyota, Honda, or Nissan be okay with it?
The world’s leader in battery technology is China, both CATL and BYD at the forefront of it. Third place is South Korean LG Chem, which is due to release its LFP battery for EV in 2025, so they are like 2-3 years behind China. Finally at distant fourth we have Japan. Toyota claimed they did a breakthrough with whatever battery - Sodium based or something that should give them some competitive edge. But the product is not yet there, and now a Toyota group Daihatsu is experiencing major issues
日本在这场比赛中来得太晚了
他们试图用“混合动力”来统治市场，这在1997年很酷，但现在已经是2024年了，他们还在对插混动力犹豫不决。日本汽车制造商取消混合动力就像从黑莓中删除键盘或从塞班时代诺基亚中删除“手机就是手机”一样。就像黑莓和诺基亚一样，他们将失去未来的主要市场，但他们会接受成为一个小众玩家吗？我们将拭目以待。我知道斯巴鲁和马自达对此无所谓，但丰田、本田或日产等公司会愿意吗？
全球电池技术的领导者是中国，宁德时代和比亚迪一直处于领先地位。第三名是韩国LG Chem，预计将于2025年发布其用于电动汽车的磷酸铁锂电池，所以他们差不多落后中国2-3年。最后，日本排名第四。丰田声称他们取得了钠离子电池技术突破，这应该会为他们带来一些竞争优势。但该产品尚未推出，而且丰田集团旗下的大发正在面临严重问题。
They tried to dictate the market with “hybrid”, which was cool in 1997, but this is already 2024, they are still pussyfooting with PHEV
The removal of hybrid from Japanese car maker is like deleting keyboard from Blackberry or “a phone being a phone” from the Symbian era Nokia
Like Blackberry and Nokia, they will lose the future main market, but will they accept being a niche player? We shall see. I know Subaru and Mazda are okay with it, but will the likes of Toyota, Honda, or Nissan be okay with it?
The world’s leader in battery technology is China, both CATL and BYD at the forefront of it. Third place is South Korean LG Chem, which is due to release its LFP battery for EV in 2025, so they are like 2-3 years behind China. Finally at distant fourth we have Japan. Toyota claimed they did a breakthrough with whatever battery - Sodium based or something that should give them some competitive edge. But the product is not yet there, and now a Toyota group Daihatsu is experiencing major issues
日本在这场比赛中来得太晚了
他们试图用“混合动力”来统治市场，这在1997年很酷，但现在已经是2024年了，他们还在对插混动力犹豫不决。日本汽车制造商取消混合动力就像从黑莓中删除键盘或从塞班时代诺基亚中删除“手机就是手机”一样。就像黑莓和诺基亚一样，他们将失去未来的主要市场，但他们会接受成为一个小众玩家吗？我们将拭目以待。我知道斯巴鲁和马自达对此无所谓，但丰田、本田或日产等公司会愿意吗？
全球电池技术的领导者是中国，宁德时代和比亚迪一直处于领先地位。第三名是韩国LG Chem，预计将于2025年发布其用于电动汽车的磷酸铁锂电池，所以他们差不多落后中国2-3年。最后，日本排名第四。丰田声称他们取得了钠离子电池技术突破，这应该会为他们带来一些竞争优势。但该产品尚未推出，而且丰田集团旗下的大发正在面临严重问题。
Japan focuses on a domestic market that is no longer giving them future-defining insights.
The country that invented QR code still pays homage to paper mills and Hanko stamp craftspeople and tend to underutilise their own innovation. In some respect, they are even behind Indonesia, a developing country. Shinkansen has just launched “e-yoyaku” (e-reservation) late last year in 2023. Japan is almost a decade behind some third world countries.
Japanese businesses caters for its domestic market (JDM) and considers them to be primary obxtive. Some corporations managed to separate their global or local operations with Japanese ones - these are the ones that mostly survived the bubble bursting in early 1990s
Japan, despite being US ally, and ups and downs relationship with South Korea in political stage, have a very disconnected real market sector. A Samsung phone has to be branded “Galaxy” in order to escape that typical xenophobia public scrutiny. In South Korea, you will be hard-pressed to find Japanese cars on streets, likewise in Japan - maybe the only place in the world where a Korean car is an extreme rarity. The only popular Korean thing in Japan is Hallyu-related, like Korean beauty products, K-Pop entertainment, Korean food, and Korean holiday. Likewise, it is typically Japanese entertainment (anime / manga) and food that goes in Korea
日本专注于国内市场，但该市场不再能为他们提供定义未来的洞察力。发明二维码的国家仍然尊崇造纸厂和刻章匠，低估自己的创新。在某些方面，他们甚至落后于发展中国家印度尼西亚。新干线去年2023年底才推出了“电子预订”服务。日本甚至比一些第三世界国家落后了近十年。
日本企业迎合国内市场并将其视为主要目标。一些公司成功地将其全球或本地业务与日本业务分开——这些公司在1990年初泡沫破裂后大多幸存下来。
日本尽管是美国的盟友，并且在政治舞台上与韩国的关系时好时坏，但其市场部门却与世隔绝。三星手机必须贴上“Galaxy”品牌，才能逃避典型的仇外心理公众审查。在韩国，你很难在街上看到日本汽车，同样在日本——也许是世界上唯一一个韩国汽车极为罕见的地方。在日本唯一流行的韩国事物是韩流相关的如韩国美容产品、韩国流行娱乐、韩国美食和韩国假期。同样，进入韩国的通常是日本娱乐（动漫/漫画）和食品
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The country that invented QR code still pays homage to paper mills and Hanko stamp craftspeople and tend to underutilise their own innovation. In some respect, they are even behind Indonesia, a developing country. Shinkansen has just launched “e-yoyaku” (e-reservation) late last year in 2023. Japan is almost a decade behind some third world countries.
Japanese businesses caters for its domestic market (JDM) and considers them to be primary obxtive. Some corporations managed to separate their global or local operations with Japanese ones - these are the ones that mostly survived the bubble bursting in early 1990s
Japan, despite being US ally, and ups and downs relationship with South Korea in political stage, have a very disconnected real market sector. A Samsung phone has to be branded “Galaxy” in order to escape that typical xenophobia public scrutiny. In South Korea, you will be hard-pressed to find Japanese cars on streets, likewise in Japan - maybe the only place in the world where a Korean car is an extreme rarity. The only popular Korean thing in Japan is Hallyu-related, like Korean beauty products, K-Pop entertainment, Korean food, and Korean holiday. Likewise, it is typically Japanese entertainment (anime / manga) and food that goes in Korea
日本专注于国内市场，但该市场不再能为他们提供定义未来的洞察力。发明二维码的国家仍然尊崇造纸厂和刻章匠，低估自己的创新。在某些方面，他们甚至落后于发展中国家印度尼西亚。新干线去年2023年底才推出了“电子预订”服务。日本甚至比一些第三世界国家落后了近十年。
日本企业迎合国内市场并将其视为主要目标。一些公司成功地将其全球或本地业务与日本业务分开——这些公司在1990年初泡沫破裂后大多幸存下来。
日本尽管是美国的盟友，并且在政治舞台上与韩国的关系时好时坏，但其市场部门却与世隔绝。三星手机必须贴上“Galaxy”品牌，才能逃避典型的仇外心理公众审查。在韩国，你很难在街上看到日本汽车，同样在日本——也许是世界上唯一一个韩国汽车极为罕见的地方。在日本唯一流行的韩国事物是韩流相关的如韩国美容产品、韩国流行娱乐、韩国美食和韩国假期。同样，进入韩国的通常是日本娱乐（动漫/漫画）和食品
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As for Japan-dominated foreign marker, and proud owner of a Japanese car, I think it could be a time to bid good bye for their leadership in our market.
Complancency - has led them to release sub-par products by feature, by technology, and by quality. Their mantra seems to be “shitty products for shithole countries” delivered in tatemae politeness fashion
Japan underestimated how much the outside world is catching up. They has just been trampled by Korea, and soon about to be whooped by China. It could be made worse for them, if only American car maker were a bit more committed and serious
The Koreans taught us that at this pricing point, we could get an automated sunroof, integrated wireless Apple CarPlay & Android Auto, and whatnots - I paid sub-premium price for the same technology in my Mazda back in 2014, including walk-away auto door lock, only to find Honda has just recently feature it 8–9 years later
Their only advantages are slowly eaten up: the vast network of dealer presence, after sales service (which is to be honest, is just so-so), and resale value (which will be gone soon)
Sadly, Japan has no answer. Even at their absolute peak, Japan, unlike USA, refuses to admit that it is highly dependent on foreign market to generate their wealth and afford their highly-touted standards of living.
至于在日本主导并且以拥有一辆日本车为荣的外国市场，我认为现在可能是向他们在我们市场领导地位告别的时候了。
自满导致他们发布了功能、技术和质量方面都不尽如人意的产品。他们的座右铭似乎是以“为垃圾国家提供垃圾产品”为基调，再用所谓彬彬有礼的方式呈现出来。日本低估了外界正在迎头赶上的程度。他们刚刚被韩国蹂躏，很快将被中国打败。如果美国汽车制造商专注和认真点，情况可能会变得更糟。
韩国人教会了我们，在这个价位上上，我们可以得到自动天窗、集成的无线苹果CarPlay或安卓Auto等等 - 我在2014年为我的马自达支付了次顶配价格，其中包括离车自动落锁等技术，却发现8-9年后本田最近才推出这一功能。
他们唯一的优势：庞大的经销商网络、售后服务（说实话，一般般）、以及保值率（这个优势也将很快消失），现在也正在慢慢被蚕食。
可悲的是，日本没有答案。即使在绝对巅峰时期，日本也与美国不同，拒绝承认它高度依赖外国市场来创造财富，并负担其标榜的高水平生活。
Complancency - has led them to release sub-par products by feature, by technology, and by quality. Their mantra seems to be “shitty products for shithole countries” delivered in tatemae politeness fashion
Japan underestimated how much the outside world is catching up. They has just been trampled by Korea, and soon about to be whooped by China. It could be made worse for them, if only American car maker were a bit more committed and serious
The Koreans taught us that at this pricing point, we could get an automated sunroof, integrated wireless Apple CarPlay & Android Auto, and whatnots - I paid sub-premium price for the same technology in my Mazda back in 2014, including walk-away auto door lock, only to find Honda has just recently feature it 8–9 years later
Their only advantages are slowly eaten up: the vast network of dealer presence, after sales service (which is to be honest, is just so-so), and resale value (which will be gone soon)
Sadly, Japan has no answer. Even at their absolute peak, Japan, unlike USA, refuses to admit that it is highly dependent on foreign market to generate their wealth and afford their highly-touted standards of living.
至于在日本主导并且以拥有一辆日本车为荣的外国市场，我认为现在可能是向他们在我们市场领导地位告别的时候了。
自满导致他们发布了功能、技术和质量方面都不尽如人意的产品。他们的座右铭似乎是以“为垃圾国家提供垃圾产品”为基调，再用所谓彬彬有礼的方式呈现出来。日本低估了外界正在迎头赶上的程度。他们刚刚被韩国蹂躏，很快将被中国打败。如果美国汽车制造商专注和认真点，情况可能会变得更糟。
韩国人教会了我们，在这个价位上上，我们可以得到自动天窗、集成的无线苹果CarPlay或安卓Auto等等 - 我在2014年为我的马自达支付了次顶配价格，其中包括离车自动落锁等技术，却发现8-9年后本田最近才推出这一功能。
他们唯一的优势：庞大的经销商网络、售后服务（说实话，一般般）、以及保值率（这个优势也将很快消失），现在也正在慢慢被蚕食。
可悲的是，日本没有答案。即使在绝对巅峰时期，日本也与美国不同，拒绝承认它高度依赖外国市场来创造财富，并负担其标榜的高水平生活。
It was still true when NTT DoCoMo was the world’s most sophisticated phone and network system back in early 2000s. Mobile internet was a Japanese thing and we were all like a decade behind Japan. Sure the financial market is in shambles, but Japan was easily living in the future. When iPhone, Android system came out in 2007, we never imagined how it wiped out all Japanese phone makers today like Kyocera - even Sony Ericsson.
In 2019, it pains me to say that a decent holiday in Tokyo is far more affordable than the ones in Bali or Jakarta, let alone Singapore - affluent Indonesian lifestyle is way too overpriced. It is far cheaper to eat Ippudo ramen right in Ginza than in its Pacific Place Mall, Jakarta branch. A bowl of Akamaru Special ramen is easily ¥1.081 (IDR 116.000) before tax here. It is just ¥1.030, even after recent price increase for Ginza.
They tried to keep Japan the same for the pensioners, so they don’t have to readjust the values. But the world does not wait for them. Besides denial, typical racism, and refusal to change. It is extremely hard to see Japan coming back to claim the lead in foreseeable future.
早在2000年初，NTT DoCoMo还是世界上最先进的电话和网络系统时，情况仍然如此。移动互联网是日本的东西，我们都落后日本十年。当然，金融市场一片混乱，但日本轻松地生活在未来。当2007年iPhone、Android系统问世时，我们从未想象它将如何摧毁今天的所有日本手机制造商，如京瓷，甚至是索尼爱立信。
在2019年，我不得不承认，在东京度过一个不错的假期远比在巴厘岛或雅加达要便宜很多，更不用说新加坡了。印尼富裕的生活方式实在是定价过高。在银座吃一碗一风堂特色拉面，即便在最近一次价格上涨后，也只需1,030日元，而在雅加达的太古广场分店则是税前1,081日元（IDR 116,000）。
他们试图让日本的养老金领取者保持不变，这样他们就不必重新调整价值观。但世界不会等待他们。除了否认、典型的种族主义和拒绝改变。在可预见的未来，日本很难重新夺回领先地位。
In 2019, it pains me to say that a decent holiday in Tokyo is far more affordable than the ones in Bali or Jakarta, let alone Singapore - affluent Indonesian lifestyle is way too overpriced. It is far cheaper to eat Ippudo ramen right in Ginza than in its Pacific Place Mall, Jakarta branch. A bowl of Akamaru Special ramen is easily ¥1.081 (IDR 116.000) before tax here. It is just ¥1.030, even after recent price increase for Ginza.
They tried to keep Japan the same for the pensioners, so they don’t have to readjust the values. But the world does not wait for them. Besides denial, typical racism, and refusal to change. It is extremely hard to see Japan coming back to claim the lead in foreseeable future.
早在2000年初，NTT DoCoMo还是世界上最先进的电话和网络系统时，情况仍然如此。移动互联网是日本的东西，我们都落后日本十年。当然，金融市场一片混乱，但日本轻松地生活在未来。当2007年iPhone、Android系统问世时，我们从未想象它将如何摧毁今天的所有日本手机制造商，如京瓷，甚至是索尼爱立信。
在2019年，我不得不承认，在东京度过一个不错的假期远比在巴厘岛或雅加达要便宜很多，更不用说新加坡了。印尼富裕的生活方式实在是定价过高。在银座吃一碗一风堂特色拉面，即便在最近一次价格上涨后，也只需1,030日元，而在雅加达的太古广场分店则是税前1,081日元（IDR 116,000）。
他们试图让日本的养老金领取者保持不变，这样他们就不必重新调整价值观。但世界不会等待他们。除了否认、典型的种族主义和拒绝改变。在可预见的未来，日本很难重新夺回领先地位。
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As a mechanic, I can tell you many Japanese car manufacturers operate on dangerous business method. They subsidise in many fronts such as after sales service, free warranty repair... If you counts all of these into final price, most manufacturers sell their car with severe lost! It is like Ponzi scheme that can roll over them overnight!
Japanese car manufacturers does not really uphold their perfect quality anymore. More scandals and mass recalls show the compromise of their craftsmanship. Just google Daihatsu steel scandal, it effect Toyota negatively in SEA area. So many Toyota accidents with vehicle was completely crushed under pressure! I don’t know how they could hide all that recall expense, must be very good at cooking their book!
One thing will surely kill ICE vehicle in near future is…no more mechanic to service it! Mechanic gets sick of over engineering, complexity design, hard to repair ICE design. I’m about 40 years old now and maybe final batch of mechanic in Australia! People are over the trade and quit it en mass.
ICE vehicle is hitting the final end! Nothing can save them!
作为一名机械工，我可以告诉你的是，许多日本汽车制造商采用了危险的商业手段。他们在许多方面都有补贴，如售后服务、免费保修等等...如果把所有这些计算到最终价格中，大多数厂家卖车都是亏本的！这就像是一个可以一夜之间崩溃的庞氏骗局！
日本汽车制造商不再真正坚持他们的完美品质。越来越多的丑闻和大规模召回显示了他们工艺妥协的一面。只需搜索一下大发钢铁丑闻，就会发现它对丰田在东南亚地区产生了负面影响。有很多丰田事故车辆被彻底压扁！我不知道他们如何掩盖所有这些召回费用，肯定是很擅长做假账！
在不久的将来，唯一能够淘汰内燃机车辆的是...再也没有维修技工为其提供服务了！维修技工厌倦了过度工程、复杂设计、难以维修的内燃机设计。我现在差不多40岁了，可能是澳大利亚最后一批维修技工！人们对这个行业感到厌倦，并集体辞职。
内燃机车辆即将走到尽头！没有什么可以挽救它们！
Yeah, I mentioned the recent Daihatsu safety cases.
I nearly bought a brand new Toyota crossover. Liked the exterior model, loved the interior, the features finally caught up with Korean and Chinese maker. Competitive pricing as well. What’s not to love?
Well, the centre console wobbles like shit.
General lack of sound insulation / dampener here and there. I mean, it is a quiet hybrid, but boy how will it sound during the rain?
And reading your confession, here I thought Japanese cars are easy to repair. Well at least, it is not German cars, like Audi, where you have to remove the entire engine and separate it with the gearbox just to replace the timing belt.
是的，我提到了最近的大发安全事件。
我差点就买了一辆全新的丰田跨界车。喜欢外观设计，喜欢内饰，功能终于赶上了韩国和中国制造商。价格也很有竞争力。怎么能不喜欢的呢？
但是，中控台晃得像狗屎一样。
普遍缺乏隔音和减震器。我想说，这是一辆安静的混动车，但是它怎么听起来像是在雨天一样？
读了你的自白，我认为日本车很容易修理。至少，它不像奥迪那样的德国汽车，你必须拆下整个发动机并将其与变速箱分开才能更换正时皮带。
They are not easy to repair nowadays, compare to their European counterparts, to be honest. Their engine bay is plagued with electrical components, which is primed for electric fire (they have some recalls in United States due to those reasons)! They follow footsteps of European manufacturers to make their civilian vehicle with least durable and concentrated on work vehicle like Hilux, Hiace van. In fact, commercial vehicle is only profitable sector for most car manufacturers.
Talking about Toyota and many Japanese car manufacturers. Their factories are main by migrant workers who just turned 20, have no experience or work ethic. They comes from many South East Asian countries. The only motivation for them is paying back the loan shark; who gives them tickets to work in Toyota factories. Most of them get paid minimum wages, frequently OT with poor work conditions! Toyota is getting backlash in many places, Australia including. People complain about poor workmanship, rattling interior, bad handling. Toyota sell their car with high end price tag and their seller think their customer should beg them for a good deal!
I think China is going right direction with EV, less maintenance, easy to repair (worst case scenario is replacing electric motor and batteries). Japan shat themselves because once China dominates car industries, it will push Japan, US and Europe out of vehicle part industry (there are 12 big firms dominating it, and EV will spell the end to all of them!)
老实说，与欧洲同类产品相比，它们并不容易修理。他们的发动机舱布满了电气元件，很容易引发电气火灾（由于这些原因，他们在美国进行了一些召回）！它们步欧洲制造商的后尘，生产最不耐用的民用车辆，专注于海拉克斯皮卡、海狮轻客等工作车辆。事实上，商用车是大多数汽车制造商唯一盈利的领域。
说起丰田和许多日本汽车制造商。他们的工厂主要是刚满20岁的移民工人，没有经验，也没有职业道德。他们来自许多东南亚国家。他们的唯一动机是偿还为了进丰田工厂工作而贷的高利贷。他们中的大多数人拿的是最低工资，而且经常加班，工作条件很差！丰田在许多地方都遭到强烈抨击，包括澳大利亚。人们抱怨做工差、内饰嘎嘎响、操控性差。丰田以高端价格出售他们的汽车，他们的经销商认为他们的客户应该求他们卖个好价钱！
我认为中国在电动汽车方面正朝着正确的方向发展，维护量少，易于维修（最坏的情况是更换电动机和电池）。日本之所以感到不安，是因为一旦中国主导汽车行业，它将把日本、美国和欧洲挤出汽车零部件行业（目前有12家大公司主导着这个行业，电动汽车将击垮所有这些公司！）
Excellent answer as usual. Do you think also because Japan are too stingy to share their technology makes this developing countries prefer China who is more generous in technology sharing? Indonesia chose China over Japan on HSR project over this issue.
像往常一样优秀的答案。您是否认为也因为日本太吝啬而不愿分享他们的技术，使得这些发展中国家更喜欢在技术分享方面更慷慨的中国？为此，印尼在高铁项目上选择了中国而不是日本。
My father who interned in Japan to study paper-making, and in Canada, Italy, Germany, and Finland said the same thing about Japan’s overprotectiveness of their trade secrets.
USA was probably the most open one. At least according to him back then. In his explanation, he gave an example by showing the number of items censored in the engineering blueprints they shared. Western countries gladly came to you and show you everything and how it is being done. The Japanese will only show you the final resulting product (which is good), but not all the things that goes into it. Their stingyness might be a sign about how they view potential competition.
But from my own experience doing work with them, I guess Japan today is just as open as anybody else. At least in IT world, I don’t know about manufacturing. They are a bit braggart about what they accomplished, and it is probably also because the fact that many of their IT developers are foreigners.
But then again, I work WITH them, not as 3rd party, but as part of them.
Now compared to China for instance. They bring their own worker into us, when we can’t meet their the required skill demands for a project we awarded to them. We don’t call that China “keeping it all to themselves”, right? And yes, they also offered many things, including training and educating. But we haven’t yet seen the fruits of such investments.
我的父亲曾在日本实习学习造纸术，在加拿大、意大利、德国和芬兰实习，也对日本对其商业秘密的过度保护说了同样的话。
美国可能是最开放的国家。至少当时他是这么说的。在他的解释中，他举了一个例子，展示了他们共享的工程蓝图中被审查的项目数量。西方国家很高兴来到你们这里并向你们展示一切以及它们是如何完成的。日本人只会向您展示最终的产品（这很好），但不会展示其中的所有细节。他们的小气表明了他们如何看待潜在的竞争对手。
但从我自己与他们合作的经验来看，我想今天的日本可能和其他任何国家一样开放。至少在IT领域是这样，我不了解制造业。他们对自己所取得的成就有点自负，这可能也是因为许多他们的IT开发人员是外国人。
但再说一次，我是与他们一起工作的，而不是作为第三方。现在以中国为例。当我们无法满足我们授予他们的项目所需的技能要求时，他们将自己的工人带到我们这里。我们不会说中国“保守秘密”，对吧？他们还提供了很多东西，包括培训和教育。但我们还没有看到此类投资的成果。
Thank you. Very insightful indeed. Anyway, our state companies INKA is currrently developing its first HSR and to be ready 2026. I reckon the project has help them to learn from China.
谢谢。确实非常有见地。无论如何，我们的国有企业INKA目前正在开发其第一条高铁，并计划在2026年投入使用。我认为这个项目有助于他们向中国学习。
Yeah, you are right about that. My father worked for Panasonic and they really like to keep things secret while feeling how proud they are regarding their products compared to their Western counterparts such as cars and watches. South Korean companies from my experience are also very similar.
是的，你是对的。我父亲在松下工作，他们非常喜欢保守秘密，同时与汽车和手表等西方同行相比，他们对自己的产品感到那么自豪。从我的经历来看，韩国公司也很相似。
In some sense; Chinese or South Korean car manufacturers wouldn’t want themselves to be crippled on the path for Hydrogen powered vehicles and in turn be at the mercy of Japanese car companies.
The folly of Japanese companies was that they stubbornly held onto their patents, while at the same time not having the capability for overwhelming and cost-effective mass production as to have their products dominant in the regional markets.
在某种程度上，中国或韩国的汽车制造商不希望自己在发展氢燃料汽车的道路上受阻，从而受制于日本汽车公司。
日本公司的愚蠢之处在于，他们固执地坚守自己的专利，同时又没有能力以压倒性和具有成本效益的大规模生产，以使他们的产品在区域市场占主导地位。
Japan excelled when the rest of Asia was mired in Comm....., war, Cold War politics etc. That’s not the case anymore. Now it’s facing some serious competition
在亚洲其他地区陷入**主义、战争、冷战政治等泥潭时，日本取得了卓越的成就。现在情况不再是这样了。如今它面临着严重的竞争。
Just two days ago I read that Honda, my favorite car company, is finally jumping into the BEV bandwagon with two interesting looking prototypes. But mass production is only expected in 2026, two years away. That's why too long, too slow, and too hilarious. I dare not think of what BYD, Geely, Chery, Great Wall, and other Chinese carmakers would have produced by then—-even better designs, superior charging, swappable car batteries like LEGO pieces…
就在两天前，我读到我最喜欢的汽车公司本田终于加入了纯电动汽车潮流，推出了两款看起来很有趣的原型车。但预计要到两年后的 2026 年才能实现量产。这时间也太长了、太慢、太搞笑了，我不敢想象到那时比亚迪、吉利、奇瑞、长城等中国汽车制造商会生产出什么——甚至更好的设计，更先进的充电技术，像乐高积木一样可更换的汽车电池...