我是乌克兰人，我的中国男友想多陪陪他妈妈，她生病了，男友想让我搬去中国，那我能在中国当精神科医生吗？职业前景如何？
Working as a doctor in China
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现在我的男朋友改变了主意，并希望我搬到中国。他的母亲生病了，他想在中国陪她至少再待几年。我完全理解这一点，但我的职业前景如何？在中国有没有专门为外国人提供执业许可的医院？我不懂中文，但英语流利。请指教。
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Hi everyone. So, I am Ukrainian but my boyfriend is Chinese. We've met and started dating when he was studying here and have been in a long-distance relationship after he graduated and moved back to China. Ukraine is not very safe right now and does not have good job prospects for electronics engineers, so he moved, and I had stayed in my home country because I needed to finish my residency in psychiatry. We are serious, so we did not break up. Now, we had planned to both move to the UK in 2025 after getting some experience in our respective fields, but now my bf is having second thoughts and wants me to move to China. His mother is sick, and he wants to stay in China for at least a couple more years to be with her. I completely understand that, but what are my prospects career-wise? Are there any hospitals for foreigners in China where I would be able to get a license to work? I don't know any Chinese but am fluent in English. Please advise.
大家好。嗯，我是乌克兰人，但我的男朋友是中国人。我们在他在这里学习时认识并开始约会，在他毕业并搬回中国后，我们一直保持着异地恋。乌克兰现在不太安全，电子工程师的就业前景也不好，所以他搬走了，而我留在我的祖国，因为我需要完成精神病学的住院医生培训。我们很认真，所以我们没有分手。现在，我们计划在2025年在各自领域积累经验后一起搬到英国，但现在我的男朋友改变了主意，并希望我搬到中国。他的母亲生病了，他想在中国陪她至少再待几年。我完全理解这一点，但我的职业前景如何？在中国有没有专门为外国人提供执业许可的医院？我不懂中文，但英语流利。请指教。
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upxe: We just had a huge fight, where he implied I might have another man. I have never been so disrespected in any of my relationships. We have been dating for two years and are both strictly monogamous people. We survived war and long-distance together, but it seems that all this time, he did not trust me. I still love him to pieces, but I also respect myself and cannot be with someone who does not trust me. I do not know how to recover from this. All he gives me are weak excuses like "it's not you, it's me". I really thought we had it, and this was the relationship to end all relationships. For life. Guess not. Thank you, everyone, for your advice and support! I am thinking of ending things with him.
更新：我们刚刚发生了一场激烈的争吵，他暗示我可能有其他男人。我从来没有在任何一段感情中受到过如此不尊重。我们已经交往两年，我们都是严格的一夫一妻制者。我们一起经历了战争和异地恋，但似乎一直以来，他并不信任我。我仍然深爱着他，但我也尊重自己，不能和一个不信任我的人在一起。我不知道如何从这种情况中恢复。他只给我一些脆弱的借口，比如“不是你的问题，是我的问题”。我真的以为我们能走到最后，这将是一段终身的感情。看来不是。谢谢大家的建议和支持！我正在考虑和他分手。
更新：我们刚刚发生了一场激烈的争吵，他暗示我可能有其他男人。我从来没有在任何一段感情中受到过如此不尊重。我们已经交往两年，我们都是严格的一夫一妻制者。我们一起经历了战争和异地恋，但似乎一直以来，他并不信任我。我仍然深爱着他，但我也尊重自己，不能和一个不信任我的人在一起。我不知道如何从这种情况中恢复。他只给我一些脆弱的借口，比如“不是你的问题，是我的问题”。我真的以为我们能走到最后，这将是一段终身的感情。看来不是。谢谢大家的建议和支持！我正在考虑和他分手。
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Well, sadly, it seems that political disputation is preferred here to actually giving advice.
Being an international doctor in China can be rather difficult, since the healthcare system in China may not be so international and open-minded.
First, as a foreign citizen, you need to first examine whether you are qualified to perform medical procedures in China. This means you should check with the "外国医师来华短期行医暂行管理办法", the "Temporary Act For Foreign Doctors to Practice Medicine Short-termly in China".
The important things are:
You need to be invited or hired by medical institutions in China
You need to have a medical license in your home country
The temporary medical license in China has to be renewed yearly
Second, I am afraid medical institutions willing to accept international doctors are only limited to private healthcare groups in large cities, including Beijing, Shanghai, etc. Even though the family member of your boyfriends works in a hospital, it is highly unlikely that public hospitals will accept you because of the political risk under the current xenophobic atmosphere.
Third, considering you have a plan to move to the UK, maybe getting medical training in Hong Kong is a better choice.
And although there are plenty of Russian supporters in China, it is unlikely that you will be faced with obvious insults as a Ukrainian. It is more likely that your boyfriend will be greeted: Well done, you are so lucky to have a foreign girlfriend! :)
好吧，很遗憾，这里似乎更喜欢政治争论而不是实际提供建议。
在中国成为国际医生可能相当困难，因为中国的医疗系统可能不太国际化和开放。
首先，作为外国公民，您需要首先查明自己是否有资格在中国执行医疗程序。这意味着您应该查阅《外国医师来华短期行医暂行管理办法》，即外国医师来华短期行医暂行管理办法。
重要的事项包括：
您需要受到中国医疗机构的邀请或聘用。
您需要在自己的国家拥有医疗执照。
在中国的临时医疗执照必须每年更新。
其次，恐怕愿意接受国际医生的医疗机构仅限于大城市的私立医疗集团，包括北京、上海等。即使你男朋友的家人在医院工作，但在目前的仇外氛围下，公立医院极不可能接受你，因为存在政治风险。
第三，考虑到您计划移居英国，也许在香港接受医学培训是一个更好的选择。
尽管在中国有很多俄罗斯的支持者，但作为乌克兰人，您不太可能面临明显的侮辱。更有可能的是，您的男朋友会受到欢迎：干得好，你真幸运，有一个外国女朋友！ :)
Thanks, this was the most informative response so far!
谢谢，这是迄今为止信息最有用的回复！
United Family clinic and Distinct clinic are two private healthcare providers off the top of my head. You can look into those. While anecdotal, I do come across foreigners seeking counseling or psychiatry from time to time through wechat, so there’s a market for it. Might look into the possibility/legality of online options while in China too, to reach more clients. Tier 1 cities are definitely your best bet, though. Particularly Shanghai.
和睦家医院和卓正医疗是我脑海中想到的两家私营医疗服务提供商。您可以了解一下这两家。虽然可能像传闻，但我时不时遇到外国人通过微信寻求心理咨询或精神治疗，所以这方面确实存在市场。在中国期间，您可能还可以考虑线上选项的可能性/合法性，以吸引更多客户。不过，一流城市绝对是您最好的选择，尤其是上海。
You should think that this question is really too technical for many people. Unless I'm a local resident of a big city
你应该意识到，对于很多人来说，这个问题实际上太专业了。除非我是一个大城市的本地居民。
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Hong Kong is actively hiring foreign trained doctors who have received training from a sext number of institutions. You can easily look up whether your institution qualifies. That being said, you will be expected to fluently speak Cantonese in a specialty such a psychiatry...
香港正积极聘用受过外国训练、并曾在一些特定机构接受培训的医生。你可以很容易地查看你的机构是否符合条件。话虽如此，在精神病学这样的专业中，你会被要求说一口流利的粤语……
There is a large foreign community , larger than any in China, and foreign practitioners that provide for them
这里有一个庞大的外国社区，比中国的任何一个都要大，还有外国从业者为他们提供服务
it is highly unlikely that public hospitals will accept you
I thought it's because doctors in public hospitals are classified as civil servants which only Chinese citizens can be. There are a few public hospitals with international dept. which hire foreigners but they are contracted as outsourced workers and are under the supervision of a Chinese citizen. Even then, most of the doctors in the international dept. will be Chinese citizens who came back from overseas.
“公立医院极不可能接受你”
我想这是因为公立医院的医生被归类为公务员，只有中国公民才能成为公务员。有一些公立医院设有国际部，会雇佣外国人，但他们按照外包工人签约，并接受中国公民的监督。即便如此，国际部的大多数医生也将是从海外回来的中国公民。
In terms of job prospects the UK for sure.There's always shortage for doctors due to Brexit and ageing population.Also keep in mind professional qualifications and work experience from China most likely won't be as well recorgnised internationally compare with the UK.ps the wages is more likely to be higher in absolute terms in the UK
就就业前景而言，英国是肯定更好。由于英国脱欧和人口老龄化，医生总是短缺。还要记住，与英国相比，中国的专业资格和工作经验很可能不会得到国际认可。另外，英国的工资在绝对值上可能会更高。
UK will be harder due to the new immigration laws requiring new higher entrant salaries.UK openly admits they have a 'hostile' immigration policy.
由于新的移民法要求提高新进入者的工资门槛（英国工签按积分制决定能否继续待在英国或转永居等，如果在英工作的年薪达不到标准，积分就不够），待在英国将更加困难。英国公开承认他们有一个“敌对”的移民政策。
I think healthcare workers are exempt are they not?
我认为医护人员是豁免的，不是吗？
The boyfriend is not healthcare unfortunately.I am an engineer in the UK and getting the 39k threshold requires years of experience or landing in a high tech company.Unfortunately engineering is not very well paid in UK compared for the COL.
不幸的是，男朋友不是从事医疗行业的。我是英国的一名工程师，达到39,000英镑的门槛需要多年的经验或者在一家高科技公司工作。不幸的是，与生活成本相比，工程师在英国的薪水并不是很高。
Mostly the other way round, they specifically said healthcare workers are targeted.
大多数情况下相反，他们特别表示医护人员是目标。
Lol no. They are not applying salary requirements etc for health care workers like nurses as theres a big shortage
哈哈，没有。他们没有对护士等医护人员提出工资要求等，因为人手严重短缺
Residency in Ukraine lasts 2 years, so it would only count as fy1 and 2 in the UK. I do not mind having a lower salary, no matter which country I'll end up working in. Having a job I love and putting my degree to use are more important to me as of right now. I'm still young, I can worry about money later.
在乌克兰的住院医生培训持续两年，因此在英国只能算作FY1和FY2（基础医生级别）。无论最终我在哪个国家工作，我都不介意拿较低的薪水。现在，拥有一份我热爱的工作并利用我的学位对我来说更重要。我还年轻，钱的问题以后再担心。
There are a lot of international hospitals and private clinics in major cities (Shanghai, Suzhou, Beijing, etc.) I've met a lot of foreign doctors, but I don't know what the licensing requirements are. Some of them do really well, though.
BenQ in Suzhou, or United Family Healthcare in Shanghai. Or Singhealth has a bunch of clinics with foreign doctors, or Parkway health is another one. I'd contact them directly and discuss your options. They'll know a lot more than Reddit.
在大城市（上海、苏州、北京等）有很多国际医院和私人诊所。我见过很多外国医生，但我不知道执照要求是什么。不过，他们中的一些人做得很好。
比如苏州的明基医院、上海的和睦家医疗，或者新加坡健康有一些有外国医生的诊所，或者百汇医疗是另一个选择。我建议直接联系他们，讨论您的选择。他们比红迪上的人更了解情况。
As a Chinese citizen , I think you could certainly try send your resume to some private hospitals but the chances are not great because of the language barrier and China is not a open minded country. Best chances are asking your bf to uses some of his family’s social networking to put you into one of the hospitals or at least some medical related companies. Most of foreigners works in China I knew are working for foreign companies
作为中国公民，我认为您当然可以尝试向一些私立医院发送简历，但由于语言障碍和中国不是一个思想开放的国家，成功的机会不是很大。最好的机会是让您的男朋友利用他家庭的社交网络帮助您进入其中一家医院，或者至少是一些相关的医疗公司。我认识的在中国工作的大多数外国人都在为外企工作。
Thanks. He has a family member who works in a hospital, not as a doctor, but they already promised to ask around
谢谢。他有一个家庭成员在医院工作，虽然不是医生，但他们已经答应四处打听。
Good to hear. Social networking is the best way to start your life in China.let me know if you have any doubts
很高兴听到这个消息。社交网络是你在中国开始生活的最好方式。如果你有任何疑问，请告诉我
1.Psychiatry is nearly non-existent in China. 2.You will be limited to servicing foreigners, most likely foreign children that are not adjusting well.3.You are more needed in your home country.4.Check with the foreign service providers such as Family United.
1.精神病学在中国几乎不存在。2.你的服务对象可能会局限于外国人，很可能是那些不适应的外国孩子。3.你的祖国更需要你。4.可以向和睦家这样的外国服务提供商咨询。
I wouldnt recommend you apply to a usual hospital.your best bet is like above commenter stated: looking for foreign firms/orgs.general environment in china isnt much better than uk though.just look at youth unemployment.
if youre serious you could move to china and get married.
我不会建议你申请一般的医院。你最好的选择是像上面的评论所说的：寻找外国公司/组织。不过，中国的总体环境并不比英国好多少。看看年轻人的失业情况就知道了。
如果你是认真的，你可以搬到中国结婚。
Is it really not possible for him to bring his mother over to the UK?
他真的不能把他的母亲带到英国吗？
No
不能
Keep in mind family problems like those can persist very long. Ie the mother, uncle, brother can stay sick for a long time and he will expect to stay around for a long time. This will diminish your chances in the future and pull back your growth trajectory which you need especially when young. If you spend 5 years over here, that won't be seen as 5 years abroad so you likely will be set back if you ever plan to move on.
Seems no doctors are here, but you should sneak up on some doctors on lixedIn. There are two major players in SH, JiaHui and Family United. See if you can find staff working on lixedIn and see what their experiences are like.
From an outsider perspective going to both, they have foreign staff but their staff typically works only one day per week in a specific hospital. They float around a lot. Further (just by looks) they don't seem to be well paid.
You will also deal with healthcare expectations in China. This is vastly different. Chinese people expect treatment no matter what, it's not always what's best for them, but what they want. Vice versa as a foreigner I'm struggling with getting basic medicine because not everything is exported to here or the latest generation.
请记住，像这样的家庭问题可能会持续很长时间。比如母亲、叔叔、兄弟可能会长时间生病，他会期望在身边待很长时间。这将减少您未来的机会，拖慢您的成长轨迹，尤其是当您年轻时。如果您在这里度过5年，那不会被视为在国外度过的5年，因此如果您以后计划搬走，您可能会受到影响。
似乎这里没有医生，但您应该在领英上偷偷接触一些医生。在上海有两个主要的医疗机构，嘉会医疗和和睦家医疗。看看能否在领英上找到员工，了解一下他们的经历如何。
从外人的角度来看，他们有外国员工，但他们的员工通常每周只在一个特定的医院工作一天。他们经常换岗。此外（仅从外表上看），他们似乎没有得到很好的薪水。
您还将应对中国的医疗期望。这是非常不同的。中国人无论如何都期望接受治疗，这不总是对他们最好的，而是他们想要的。反之，作为外国人，我很难获得基本的药物，因为并非所有药物都被出口到这里或者是最新一代的。
You have to get licensed on the Chinese side which means getting all of your license stuff from Ukraine certified and then being interviewed with medical questions by a panel of Chinese doctors. But yes there are opportunities with foreign clinics as has already been stated. Whatever clinic hires you should help with licensing sib requirements and answering questions. It’s going to be easiest in a very large city.
你需要在中国这边获得执照，这意味着你需要将你在乌克兰的所有执照资料进行认证，然后接受中国医生小组的医学问题面试。但是，正如已经提到的，你确实有在外国诊所工作的机会。无论哪个诊所雇佣你，他们都应该帮助你满足执照的要求并回答问题。在一个非常大的城市，这将是最容易的。
Man that is going to be a bitter pill to swallow moving to the country that actively supports Putin invasion of your home country (probably materially as well) and is "friends forever" with Putin. Also psychiatry is not much accepted yet in China. You'd better seek to practice in a tier one city that will be more open to psychiatric therapy.
搬到一个积极支持普京入侵您祖国（可能在物质上也是如此）并与普京“永远为友”的国家，这确实是一颗苦涩的药丸。此外，在中国，精神病学尚未被充分接受。您最好寻求在对精神治疗更加开放的一线城市执业。
Tbh, most of the jobs in China requires Chinese unless you are working as a Doctor for foreigners who speak English. Not discouraging here but given ur skillset, ur best chance to stay in China is in big cities where high numbers of foreign expats are present.
说实话，中国大多数工作要求懂中文，除非你是为说英语的外国人工作的医生。这里并非想泼冷水，但考虑到你的技能，你在中国的最佳机会是在大城市，那里有大量的外国人。
Would suggest looking up the state of Chinese economy and the number of foreign investment hospitals.
It doesn't look good.
建议查查中国经济的状况以及外资医院的数量。
看起来情况不太好。
are you thinking about providing material support to his mother, or just about being physically present?
if you're thinking about material support, look into the possibility of a working visa in the usa. a psychiatrist is a highly trained technical expert. maybe you could qualify for an H1-B or J visa or something. maybe you could bring your spouse, if you get one.
even a low paid psychiatrist in the usa is probably earning more than 200K. more than in the uk, possibly? possibly your usa earnings could provide more support to your mother in law than the total china-based earnings you could both earn combined.
it's an idea. you may be a highly qualified applicant. might not be that infeasible. maybe look into it. the usa can always use some doctors and engineers.
你是想要为他的母亲提供物质支持，还是只是想亲自在她身边？
如果你考虑物质支持，可以研究一下在美国获得工作签证的可能性。精神科医生是一位经过高度培训的技术专家。也许你可以符合H1-B或J签证资格之类的东西。也许你可以带上你的配偶，如果你有的话。
即使在美国薪水较低的精神科医生可能也挣得超过20万美元。可能比在英国还要高？你在美国的收入可能为你婆婆提供比你们在中国共同挣得的总收入更多的支持。
这是一个想法。你可能是一个高素质的申请人。可能并非不可行。或许值得深入研究一下。美国总是需要一些医生和工程师。
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As always doctor and lawyer are very limiting jobs if you really want to relocate. Your accreditation is typically only valid in one country and requires quite some work to transfer.
There are foreign doctors in China but they are all old and got offered high paying jobs at international hospitals. It’s probably best for you to not move here.
As for your relationship struggles, sorry to hear that. It’s probably better for you in the long run though given your career. Best of luck.
一如既往，医生和律师是如果你真的想要搬迁的话非常受限制的工作。你的认证通常只在一个国家有效，并且需要相当大的努力来转移。
在中国有外国医生，但他们年纪都很大，并且在国际医院得到了高薪工作。你最好还是别搬来这里。
至于你的感情困扰，很遗憾听到这个消息。但考虑到你的职业，从长远来看，这可能对你更好。祝你好运。
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