网飞翻拍《三体》，漂白式选角引发争论

DesignerMutt
Hollywood bought the rights to remake Hi Mom. A super popular Chinese movie by a female director in 2021. Think it was the highest grossing film by a first time director as well. You can watch the Chinese TV series of Three Body Problem on You tube. However it’s really not suitable for western consumption. Even Wandering Earth with its big budget special effects is not catered to western taste. I find it funny how both Chinese and Americans dissed Great Wall because it’s Matt Damon coming to the rescue of a female Chinese warrior. In the end Movies are there to make profits so it’s the audience they are selling to. Very few can make money AND promote a non mainstream message.

好莱坞购买了翻拍《你好李焕英》的权利。这是一部由一位女导演在2021年制作的非常受欢迎的中国电影。我记得它是首次导演的最高票房电影。你可以在YouTube上观看《三体》这部中国电视剧。然而，它真的不适合西方观众。即使是《流浪地球》这样预算庞大的特效电影也不迎合西方口味。我觉得很有趣的是，中美两国都批评《长城》，因为马特·达蒙扮演的角色拯救了一位中国女战士。最终，电影是为了赚钱而存在的，所以他们要卖给观众。很少有电影能够既赚钱又传递非主流的信息。
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Nedryel
I enjoyed both wandering earth movies, because I like the message of international cooperation they have, better than the “Americans saving the world” tropes of Hollywood. But maybe it's living in China 10 years that made me more receptive to Chinese style cinema! There are many Chinese movies I loved, and hardly any I could share with my relatives back in France…

我喜欢《流浪地球》的两部电影，因为我喜欢它们传达的国际合作的信息，比好莱坞常见的“美国拯救世界”的套路更好。但也许在中国生活了10年让我更容易接受中国式电影！有很多我喜欢的中国电影，但几乎没有一部能和我在法国的亲戚分享的…
Robert Matthews (馬學進)

Sorry to spoil the “Whites are Racist” party, but movie adaptations are intended to make money. Period. A case in point is Three Men and a Baby, the American version of Trois hommes et un couffin, a story about three swinging bachelors whose lives suddenly change when they become fathers after a girlfriend drops her baby off at their doorstep.
I thought the French original was much funnier and a cut above than the American version, but there is no way a movie in French with action taking place in France with unknown French actors would be a success in the US.
The American producers wisely chose to adapt the movie for local audiences with big name stars: handsome Tom Selleck and Steve Guttenberg.
The same goes for the Three Body Problem. Yes, the novel involves Chinese people in China, but Hollywood decided (rightly or wrongly) that most American audiences are not ready for a movie like this with a mostly Chinese cast. The key consideration is making money; I don’t doubt that a degree of racism might be involved in the casting decisions, but that was probably not the main factor.

很抱歉破坏了“白人是种族主义者”的氛围，但电影改编的目的是为了赚钱。就是这样。拿《三个奶爸一个娃》来说，这是法国电影《三个男人和一个摇篮》的美国版本，讲述了三个玩世不恭的单身汉，当他们成为父亲后，生活突然发生了变化，因为一个女友在他们家门口放下了她的宝宝。
我认为法国原作比美国版本更有趣，水平更高，但用法语制作、在法国拍摄、由不知名的法国演员出演的电影在美国不可能取得成功。
美国制片人明智地选择为本地观众改编电影，加入了大名鼎鼎的明星：英俊的汤姆·塞立克和斯蒂夫·古根伯格。
《三体》也是一样。是的，这部小说涉及中国人，但好莱坞认为（无论正确还是错误），大多数美国观众还没有准备好观看这样一部以中国演员为主的电影。关键考虑的是赚钱；我毫不怀疑选角决定中可能涉及一定程度的种族主义，但这可能不是主要因素。

Chathurka Madhushan
//Original story is about Chinese people => Make everyone white//
Not exactly. This is what replacing the Chinese with everyone else. It is very naive to think Netflix will promote the White race in anyway. They promote America and the West. But not the white race. I would like to see some evidence If they have done such a thing.

//原始故事是关于中国人的改编成 => 让所有人都变成白人。//
不完全是。这就是用其他人取代中国人的原因。认为Netflix会以任何方式推广白人种族是非常幼稚的。他们推广的是美国和西方文化，而不是白人种族。如果他们真的这样做了，我希望看到一些证据。

Netflix not only replacing gender and race in fictions, they also do it in stories based on real events.
White man → Black woman

网飞不仅在虚构故事中更改性别和种族，而且在基于真实事件的故事中也这样做。
白人男性 → 黑人女性
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Shun Bot
Did you not watch the trailer? All the characters are white, except the one Asian guy.

你没看预告片吗？除一名亚洲人外，所有角色都是白人。

Chathurka Madhushan
Main character Eiza Gonzalez is a Latina.
And they have black and Pakistanis.

主角艾莎·冈萨雷斯是拉丁裔。
他们启用了黑人和巴基斯坦人。

Simon Kam
That Chinese guy at the beginning of the film came from Salford Manchester, less than a mile from where I live in Prestwich, predominantly a Jewish area( most of my neighbours are Jewish)

电影一开始的那个中国人来自曼彻斯特的索尔福德，离我住的普雷斯特威奇不到一英里，这是一个主要是犹太人居住的区域（我的大多数邻居都是犹太人）

Antonio Arcano-Silva
I think is more about Chinese in general. A lot of Korean series use only Korean and the same with Japanese.
Is sad considering the author is Chinese and the only Asian guy in it is Korean…. I think is pretty evident the racism and discrimination towards Chinese.

我认为更多是关于中国话的问题。许多韩国系列剧只使用韩语，日语也一样。
考虑到作者是中国人，而剧中唯一的亚洲人是韩国人...我认为对中国人的种族主义和歧视相当明显。

Martin, But Maybe I'm a Bot
They’re making a three body series adaption?
I hope they don’t ruin it, one of the best sci-fis out there and one of the only to receive a noble prize(albiet, maybe for political reasons). It’s a pretty good book.

他们在拍《三体》系列的改编？
希望他们不要破坏它，这是最好的科幻小说之一，也是为数不多的获得过诺贝尔奖的科幻小说之一（尽管可能是出于政治原因）。这是一本相当不错的书。

Nedryel
Probably the only way that they could sell a Chinese story to an American audience. But to be fair, any American remake or adaptation has to take place in the US, wherever the original story was supposed to take place.
Everyone knows the planet of the apes. How many know it was originally a French book, and that instead of the statue of liberty, it's the Eiffel tower they find at the end? If the Netflix adaptation of the three body problem is successful, an entire generation might believe it's an American story too.

这可能是他们向美国观众销售中国故事的唯一方式。但公平地说，任何美国的翻拍或改编都必须发生在美国，无论原始故事应该发生在哪里。
大家都知道《猩球崛起》。有多少人知道它最初是一本法国书，而且在结尾处他们找到的不是自由女神像，而是艾菲尔铁塔？如果网飞对《三体》的改编成功，整整一代人可能会认为它也是一个美国故事。

Ray Cochener
Not familiar with this particular film, but the entertainment industry in America is infamous (even amongst Americans) for whitewashing characters of all non-Caucasian origins. It’s not like they are picking on the Chinese. I suspect the lack of diversity amongst accomplished actors in American entertainment is largely responsible, which in turn encourages a lack of diversity in actors.

不熟悉这部特别的电影，但美国娱乐业因粉饰所有非白人血统的角色而臭名昭著（即使在美国人中也是如此）。这不像是他们在针对中国人。我怀疑美国娱乐界的优秀演员缺乏多样性是主要原因，这反过来又加剧了演员缺乏多样性。
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Enpi
They do that with lots of asian movies in general, be it japanese, korean, thai or Chinese.
It won’t “sell” if it is asians on screen... It’ll sell better if it’s white/black actors, and even better if the actors are famous, contrarily to local asian actors which are only known in their country for most of them.
Also asian movies usually have lots of cultural details that western audience won’t understand, especially when it comes to local superstitious beliefs.
Well… if to begin with they didn’t start that trend of white washing asian movies back then, a lot of those asian actors would’ve come to be known, as well as the various asian culture specificities… and by now the asia-wood microcosm would be much well known to the western public… but would also compete with holywood, which is a very bad thing…
And the american public would also see how there are so many bad scenario authors these days….

他们通常对亚洲电影采取这种态度，无论是日本的、韩国的、泰国的还是中国的。
如果屏幕上是亚洲人，它就不会“畅销”... 如果是白人/黑人演员，尤其是如果是著名演员，销售情况会更好，相反，对于大多数本地亚洲演员来说，他们只在自己的国家出名。
此外，亚洲电影通常包含许多西方观众无法理解的文化细节，尤其是涉及到当地的迷信信仰时。
嗯... 如果当初他们没有开始那种白人漂白亚洲电影的趋势，很多亚洲演员现在就会变得出名，各种亚洲文化的特色也会为西方观众所了解...但这也会与好莱坞竞争，这是一件非常糟糕的事情...
而且美国观众也会看到如今有很多糟糕的剧本作者...

Shun Bot
It won’t “sell” if it is asians on screen... It’ll sell better if it’s white/black actors, and even better if the actors are famous, contrarily to local asian actors which are only known in their country for most of them.
Buddy, it’s 2024. If Hollywood still cared about money, then they’d stop putting ugly black women in every Disney movie.
These days it’s all about “racial justice” and DEI. No one cares about cash anymore. Look at what they’re doing with Star Wars AKA Vagina Wars. They lost a ton of money on their shitty woke pandering Star Wars movie, so they double down and hire a Pakistani feminist to direct more woke pandering Star Wars movies. The goal now is to lose money, not make it.
But Asians are part of DEI, and Chinese get negative DEI. So whitewashing Asians is a matter of moral rectitude.
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Lastly, your premise isn’t even true.

如果屏幕上是亚洲人，它就不会“畅销”... 如果是白人/黑人演员，尤其是如果是著名演员，销售情况会更好，相反，对于大多数本地亚洲演员来说，他们只在自己的国家出名。
伙计，现在是2024年了。如果好莱坞仍然关心钱，那么他们就不会在每一部迪士尼电影中都放上丑陋的黑人女性。
如今一切都关乎“种族正义”和多元包容性（DEI）。再也没有人关心金钱了。看看他们对《星球大战》的处理。在一部烂透了的唤醒社会良知投机的《星球大战》电影上亏了大笔钱，结果他们变本加厉地聘请一个巴基斯坦女权主义者，来执导更多唤醒社会良知投机的《星球大战》电影。现在的目标是赔钱，而不是赚钱。
但亚洲人是多元包容性的一部分，而中国人则被视为多元包容性的负面因素。因此，漂白亚洲人是一种道德正直的行为。

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最后，你的前提甚至不正确。
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Enpi
Oh I do know some asian movies are getting out in western countries, and the white-washed ones also have their original sold in western countries.
But let’s be honest, it still stays a relatively niche market.
Many white washed asian film got exposure due to the success of the white washed counterpart.
Also I was talking about 100% asian films, made in asia - Crazy Rich Asians is an american produced film.
For example, The Wandering Earth made litteraly all its money from China ($700M), it only made $6M in the USA and $1.5M in the rest of the world…
But production quality, sfx, acting and all, it is just as good as any holywood film.
But all in all, I don’t really think it’s racism - like racial hate.
It’s more about making it easier for the audience to project itself into the characters and relate to them, which is facilitated if the actors are racially the same as well as the geographical/cultural setting.

噢，我知道一些亚洲电影已经在西方国家上映，而且那些被漂白的电影也在西方国家出售它们的原版。
但老实说，这仍然是一个相对小众的市场。
许多被漂白的亚洲电影之所以得到曝光，是因为它们的漂白对应片获得了成功。
而且我说的是100%的亚洲电影，是在亚洲制作的——《摘金奇缘》是一部由美国制作的电影。
例如，《流浪地球》几乎全部的票房收入来自中国（7亿美元），在美国只赚了600万美元，在其他地方只有150万美元...
但从制作质量、特效、演技等方面来看，它就跟任何一部好莱坞电影一样出色。
总的来说，我真的不认为这是种族主义——像种族仇恨那样。
这更多地是为了让观众更容易代入到角色中并与他们产生共鸣，如果演员在种族和地理/文化背景上与观众相同，这就更容易实现。

Brian Dong
Yeah, I still remember how they got rid of the Asian MIT students for the movie 21 which was based off a real story. I guess Asian men need to be like all these whiners who complain about movies like The Little Mermaid.

是的，我还记得他们是如何在根据真实故事改编的电影《21》中去除掉亚裔麻省理工学院学生的。我想亚洲男人需要像所有抱怨《小美人鱼》的抱怨者一样。