印度人在英国定居值得吗?（二）

Gitu Randev
What are the advantages of living in UK over living in India? If not then why?
The advantages of living in the UK compared to living in India are that you do not experience the anger, stress, feeling of injustice, unpleasantness, frustration, etc. of the following that you experience when living in India:
Citizens are not provided with a basic safety net comprising good quality education and medical care, basic housing and unemployment benefit payments.
Pointless bureaucracy, rules and red tape in government.
Nepotism.
Corruption.
Persons in power act with impunity.
Public places are filthy.
Utilities like electricity and clean drinking water are not available everywhere and all the time.
Pollution in cities like Delhi and Mumbai.

与在印度生活相比，在英国生活有什么好处？如果没好处，那是为什么？
与在印度生活相比，在英国生活的优势在于，在印度生活时，你会经历的愤怒、压力、不公正、不愉快、沮丧等，在英国生活是不会经历这些情况的。
印度:
没有向公民提供包括优质教育和医疗、基本住房和失业救济金在内的基本安全网。
毫无意义的官僚主义、规则和政府 方面的繁文缛节。
裙带关系
腐败
当权者的行为不受惩罚。
公共场所很脏。
电力和清洁饮用水等公用设施并非随时随地都可用。
德里和孟买等城市的污染情况。

Adulteration of food.
Bad infrastructure for transport.
Religious bigotry and hate crimes go unpunished.
Inequalities between the poor and very rich are huge.
Efficient, cheap and speedy justice system is non-existent.
Superstitions and ignorance are widely prent.
Social attitudes whereby well off persons do not treat persons less fortunate than them with kindness.
Discrimination based on state, religion, caste and sex are common.
Out-dated customs like misogyny, touching elders’ feet, dowry, etc prevail.
Based on the pace of progress in the seven decades after independence, I doubt that India will reach the far higher standards currently prent in developed European countries like UK, Germany, France, Scandinavian and Benelux countries, etc. any time soon.

食物掺假
运输方面糟糕的基础设施。
宗教偏见和仇恨犯罪不受惩罚。
巨大的贫富差距。
高效、廉价和快速的司法系统是不存在的。
迷信和无知是普遍现象。
富裕的人不会善待不如他们幸运的人的社会态度。
基于国家、宗教、种姓和性别的歧视很常见。
厌女症、摸长辈的脚、嫁妆等过时的习俗盛行。
根据独立后70年的进步速度，我怀疑印度能否在短时间内达到目前在英国、德国、法国、斯堪的纳维亚和比荷卢经济联盟等欧洲发达国家普遍存在的更高标准。

Jon Marshall
Is the UK a good place to live?
As a British Citizen born and raised who emigrated to Canada age 24 I feel qualified to answer this. Kinda the opposite to the previous answer.
Obviously it depends where you live. so it really depends on the area you live in and the hand you’re dealt/what you do with the hand you’re dealt.
To generalize I would say that they are both fantastic places to live. Postive points about the UK are:
being surrounded by the arts in all major cities. Movies, music, theatre, galleries - the UK is a major hub and influencer on the world stage for all these things.
British humour is the best in the entire world. Multi-layered, self-depreciating, witty and creative. No one does it like the UK in the entire world.

英国是个适合居住的好地方吗？
作为一个在24岁时移民到加拿大的英国公民，我觉得我有资格回答这个问题，不过和之前的答案有点相反。
显然，这取决于你住在哪里，它真的取决于你所在的地区以及你所面临的局势/你如何处理所面临的局势。
总的来说，我想说英国和加拿大都是非常适合居住的地方。关于英国的优势如下：
所有大城市都被艺术包围：电影、音乐、剧院、画廊——英国是世界舞台上所有这些事物的主要中心和影响者。
英国人的幽默是全世界最好的。多层次，自我贬低，诙谐而富有创造力。在整个世界上，没有人能如英国这般。

UK history and architecture is all around you and you can never be bored if you’re into ‘older stuff’.
UK major cities are super multicultural and diverse. Immigration has been a strong bedrock of major cities for decades and lots of well established communities are well ingrained into society.
Food. If you’re into food from all over the world then the UK (London especially) is your heaven.
employment is good and lots of well-paid work around for skilled people and grads.
Cheap as chips travel all over Europe. Flights for ￡20 to Amsterdam, Stockholm, Berlin? No problem. You’re at the central hub of European travel and it’s easy to get anywhere from London.
Now some bad things about the UK:

英国历史和建筑就在你身边，如果你喜欢“古老的东西”，你永远不会感到无聊。
英国的主要城市是超多元文化和多样化的。几十年来，移民一直是大城市的坚实基石，许多资深的（移民群体）已深深融入社会。
食物，如果你喜欢来自世界各地的食物，那么英国（尤其是伦敦）就是你的天堂。
就业形势良好，技术人员和毕业生有很多高薪工作。
周游欧洲的花费像薯条一样便宜，英国到阿姆斯特丹、斯德哥尔摩、柏林的机票费用为20英镑，毫无压力没有问题。这里是欧洲旅游的中心，从伦敦到任何地方都很方便。
现在说说英国的一些不好的事情:

the weather is all over the place. Two weeks of rain in August? It’s not that it’s always bad, it’s just that it’s unpredictable meaning it’s hard to vacation in the UK itself.
We’re a nation of negative people. There’s no ‘American dream’ buzz like you get in North America and you’ll find people want to shoot you down a bit. Gets worse in suburbia and rural areas as opposed to city centres.
I guess everywhere has this but, putting aside the 3/4 major UK cities, most other areas are pretty anti-immigration and pro-Brexit. There’s a sense of nationalism in the air (much like the US) and politics is divided. It can all feel a bit unnerving.
If your in the south east, especially around London, life is expensive. Housing, gas, commuting costs can be ridiculous. Up north or further away from London then you’re alright, although pay will be slightly lower generally speaking.
All in all I prefer living in Vancouver, Canada. The only things I miss are British humour and sarcasm as a part of everyday life and being able to travel to new cultures within 2 hours for less than most train tickets cost. Here I’m so far from any kind of place I’d want to go to that feels like a different culture and if I did want to get there it costs $1000s rather than $50. I also miss meeting friends ‘down the pub’ and being able to see any bands I want whenever I want, however, I love my life here in Canada and won’t be going anywhere anytime soon!

英国全域天气恶劣，八月就下了两周的雨，这并不是说英国天气总是糟糕，只是它是不可预测的，这意味着很难在英国度假。
我们是一个充满消极情绪的国家，这里不像北美那样充满“美国梦”之类的想法，你会发现人们想要贬低你；与市中心相比，郊区和农村地区的情况更糟。
我想每个地方都有这种情况，但抛开英国四分之三的主要城市，大多数其他地区都是反移民和亲脱欧的。空气中弥漫着一种民族主义情绪(很像美国)，政治上也存在分歧。这一切都让人感到有点不安
如果你在东南部，尤其是伦敦周围，生活成本是高昂的。住房、汽油和通勤费用都是荒谬的。往北或离伦敦更远的地方，就没事了，不过一般来说工资会略低。
总而言之，我更喜欢住在加拿大的温哥华。我唯一怀念的是作为日常生活一部分的英国幽默和讽刺，还有就是想念在英国是能够在2小时内实现探索新文化（国家）的——而且交通费用比火车票还便宜。在温哥华，我离任何一个我想去的地方（拥有不同的文化的地方）都很远，如果我真的想去那里，需要1000美元，而不是50美元。我也很怀念在英国酒吧里与朋友见面的场面，也很怀念随时随地看到我喜欢的任何乐队，然而，我热爱我在加拿大的生活，短期内不会去其他地方！

Goldi Kunal
How does it feel to live in the United Kingdom for an Indian?
Definitely doesn't feel like home !
..Now there are wide range of difference and similarities and hence advantages and disadvantages:
Weather : It rains almost around the year and temperature is relatively colder. However it is definitely less than Cherapunji and warmer than Laddakh
So experience depends on your preference and your base location in India.
Traffic : Like every big cities of the world the bigger cities of UK have similar traffic challenges and it's tough to drive and park within the city. However the countryside and smaller towns are well off in this regard. The main diffrenciator when comparing to India is that people are way more disciplined while driving and respect the traffic laws. The icing on the cake is good public transport system, Train, Tram, Tubes, Buses and taxis are well operated and connected through out the UK.
So one will have a better experience when comparing with India.

对于一个印度人来说，在英国生活是什么感觉？
在英国绝对没有家的感觉!
现在有广泛的差异和相似之处，因此有优势和劣势:
天气：几乎一年四季都会下雨，气温相对较低。然而，它的下雨时间肯定比印度切拉普依(Cherapunji)少，比印度Laddakh地区暖和
因此，体验取决于你的偏好和你家在印度的位置。
交通：与世界上所有大城市一样，英国的大城市也面临着类似的交通挑战，在市内很难开车和停车。然而，农村和较小的城镇在这方面很方便。与印度相比，主要的区别在于英国人在驾驶时更加自律，并尊重交通法。锦上添花的是良好的公共交通系统，火车、有轨电车、地铁、公共汽车和出租车在整个英国都运行良好。
因此，与印度相比，人们在英国会有更好的体验。

Pollution :
There is minimal or zero visible pollution from dust. The motor vehicle are not that polluting because of better regulation and factories are outside the city plus considering the number of vehicles is so less when compared to India, UK has much less air pollution. Water pollution is not a problem and relatively all public water supplied through utility companies are potable ( people often use filters).Sound pollution is not a problem (unless you planning to live in city centre) as obviously regulation and common decenceny does not allow residents to use loudspeaker and yes people don't blast horns while driving .
So you will have a better experience if you live in a big polluted city in India but then again if you are from a non polluted part of India its not major differentiator !

污染：
灰尘造成的可见污染最小或没有。机动车的污染并没有那么严重，因为监管方面的工作做得更好，工厂也在城外，再加上考虑到与印度相比，汽车数量更少，英国的空气污染要少得多，水污染不是问题，相对而言，通过公用事业公司供应的所有公共水都是可饮用的（人们经常使用过滤器）。声音污染不是问题（除非你计划住在市中心），因为很明显，法规和公共礼仪不允许居民使用扬声器，是的，人们开车时也不会按喇叭。
因此，如果你生活在印度一个污染严重的大城市的话，在英国你会有更好的体验的，但如果你来自印度的非污染地区，这方面的区别就不算重大区别了！

Culture:
Now this is the part that some might totally hate it or love it , it depends on rather personal taste. As it's anybody's guess you won't have same humane touch that India or Indian family system provides. People are distant and restrict themselves to their own business which has its own plus and minus.
For me personally I always miss home, family and friends!

文化：
现在，这是一些人可能完全讨厌或喜欢它的部分，这取决于个人品味。正如任何人所猜测的那样，你们不会有印度或印度家庭制度所提供的那种人道主义的感觉。人们都很疏远，把自己限制在自己的事情上，这有自己的优点和缺点。
就我个人而言，我总是想念家、家人和朋友！

Cost of living :
It's relatively expensive and cost of living is higher and if you remove Nordic countries from the list perhaps it's the most expensive place to live in entire Europe. But then if you are earning well, you might be able to save good in Indian rupees terms however if you planning totally cut off and settle down here this gets negated due to higher cost of living in total.
So in this aspect India scores better as you will have better standard of living at low cost plus will be backed and served by huge service industry which makes the overall lifestyle much more comfortable in India ( I am talking about Maids , Drivers , security guards etc). Probably Indians don't realize that they are living a kings life on a middle class income.

生活成本：
它相对昂贵，生活成本更高，如果你把北欧国家从名单上去掉，也许它是整个欧洲生活成本最高的地方。但如果你收入不错，按印度卢比计，你可能会存下很多钱，但如果你计划与印度完全断绝联系，在这里定居，这就会被抵消，因为总的生活成本更高。
因此，在这方面，印度的得分更高，因为你将以更低的成本获得更好的生活水平，而且在印度由庞大的服务业提供服务，这使得印度的整体生活方式更加舒适（我说的是女佣、司机、保安等）。也许印度人没有意识到他们靠中产阶级的收入就能过着帝王般的生活。

Racism :
Due to your colour of your skin and ascent you are likely to face small amount of discomfort and discrimination and obviously not always welcomed. Though this won't be case with educated and professional people's but then again there are idiots everywhere and you will forever be an Indian first and UK resident next. Some idiots still has that colonial attitude even though today their biggest employer is Indian and some of the most richest people in UK are Indians. You might also get in situation where people might consider you as Pakistani, Bangladeshi or Arab. But then situation is not that Bad like some other part of the world.
My advise never forget where you are from, take pride in being Indian. Showcase by your conduct that Indians are one of the most lovely, friendly, peacefully and polite people's. Respect and learn local culture and do your best not hurt anyone intionally or unitententionally. People are bit too formal here by Indian standards and so be agile and adapt to it without losing your own cultural identity.

种族主义：
由于你的肤色和随着社会地位的提高，你可能会面临少量的不适和歧视，显然这让你并不总是受到欢迎。虽然受过教育和职业人士不会这样，但再说一遍，到处都是白痴，你将永远被首先认为是印度人，其次被认为是英国居民。一些白痴仍然抱有殖民主义的态度，尽管今天他们最大的雇主是印度人，而英国一些最富有的人是印度人。你也可能会遇到这样的情况，人们可能会认为你是巴基斯坦人、孟加拉人或阿拉伯人。但情况并不像世界其他地方那样糟糕。
我的建议是永远不要忘记你来自哪里，要为自己是印度人而自豪。通过你的行为表明，印度人是最可爱、最友好、最和平、最有礼貌的人之一。尊重和学习当地文化，尽最大努力不伤害任何人。按照印度的标准，这里的人有点太正式了，所以要灵活适应，如此才不会失去自己的文化身份认同。
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I hope this might give you a brief idea, however there is lot to say and talk and I will probably end up writing a book if I will try to cover everything !
There are various other differences like language, food, dressing style but in today's era of globalisation these difference are getting diluted day by day. India is a great country and UK is nice too. I would suggest experience as many countries of the world as you can…not just UK…try living for sometime in a very part of the world…we all get just one short life…make the most out of it ! See the world ! It's our world !
I would like to quote few words from a Hindi poetry … “Alag alag yadi desh humare toh yeh kiska sansar? Kaho tumhari matrubhoomi ka hai kitna Vistaar!” Which roughly translates into : what's the expanse of your motherland ? Lets not limit it to just the seperate individual nations !
So my friend become a world explorer , experience the globe !

我希望这能给你一个大概的认知，但有很多话要说，如果我能尝试涵盖所有内容，我可能会写一本书！
还有各种其他的差异，比如语言、食物、穿着风格，但在全球化的今天，这些差异正在日益淡化。印度是一个非常棒的国家，英国也很不错。我建议你尽可能多地体验世界上的国家……不仅仅是英国；试着在世界的某个地方生活一段时间……我们都只有一次短暂的生命……充分利用它！看看世界！毕竟这是我们的世界！
我想引用一首印地语诗歌中的几句话……“Alag Alag yadi desh humare toh yeh kiska sansar？Kaho tumhari matrubhoomi ka hai kitna Vistaar！”大致翻译为：你的祖国有多广阔？让我们不要把它局限于单独的国家！
所以我的朋友，成为一名世界探险家，开启地球冒险吧！

KSAK
Why is it that Indians come to the UK and settle when they are not welcomed? Why don't they settle in India? Why are you here in the UK when you are not certainly welcomed?
Well, Indians were settled in their own country until when the greedy britishers invaded India in the name of East India Company trade and cunningly took control over the country by Divide and Rule policy, ruled India for 200 years, plundered the wealth of the nation and took off with all the loot back to UK, leaving the once uber rich nation divided into a poor India and Pakistan in shabbles.
Well, the Britishers were'nt welcome in India either but dint they settle here for 200 years exploiting the wealth and abusing the locals?
So, now its payback time, the Indians are going back to UK to claim back the wealth that ideally belonged to Indians' and settling down there to completely exploit and enjoy the resources that were created out of our own wealth.
Since we are certainly not welcome, we will as well settle for around 200 years in UK and then come back to India to settle down once there are no more resources left in UK.

为什么印度人在不受欢迎的情况下来到英国定居？他们为什么不在印度定居？为什么你在英国不受欢迎？
好吧，印度人一直在自己的国家定居，直到贪婪的英国人以东印度公司贸易的名义入侵印度，并通过分而治之的政策巧妙地控制了这个国家，统治了印度200年，掠夺了这个国家的财富，并将所有的战利品带回了英国，让这个曾经超级富裕的国家变成了贫穷的印度和巴基斯坦。
英国人在印度也不受欢迎，但他们在这里定居了200年，剥削财富，虐待当地人。
因此，现在是报应期，印度人将回到英国，收回理想情况下属于印度人的财富，并在那里安定下来，以完全利用和享受用我们自己的财富创造出来的资源。
既然我们肯定不受欢迎，我们还不如在英国定居大约200年，一旦英国没有更多的资源，我们就回到印度定居。

Nisha
Is settling in Germany worth it for an Indian?
Well it depends on the individual preference
If you are a person who would like to benefit from
free education
subsidised medical system
higher standard of living
interested in learning german and to speak fluently.
longest ever paternity and maternity leave benefits
Standard work hours. Then my answer would be yes
but if you are a person who is
Not ready to learn german
not ready to stay away from your family and friends out there in india
not ready to pay high taxes and inclined more towards savings
not ready to sacrifice “cute little things” which you would get one and only in india. Then I would say NO, it’s not a best option for you

对于一个印度人来说，在德国定居值得吗？
这取决于个人喜好，你是否想从中受益：
免费教育
补贴医疗制度
更高的生活水平
对学习德语感兴趣，并能流利地说德语。
有史以来最长的陪产假福利
标准工作时间。
那么我的答案是肯定的
但如果你：
还没有准备好学德语
还没有准备好远离你在印度的家人和朋友
不准备缴纳高税额，
更倾向于储蓄
还没有准备好牺牲“可爱的小东西”，而这些东西在印度是独一无二的。
那么我会说“不”，这对你来说不是最好的选择。