印度人在美国定居值得吗?（一）

Sumit Shah
Is settling in the USA worth it, being an Indian?
Ok,I am not really an Indian per se ( Since I was born in USA) , but I am of Indian origin and have parents who came over from India and have some cousins and friends who arrived from India to study/work here.
From my dad’s experience, he says that if he would have the chance to move to USA in this day and age as opposed to when he moved in the 80s, he would not do it!. Back then, the urge to move to America was much, much higher and the incentives were not really great in India . India was a third world country with lot of poor people , lot of corruption , lot of red tape and unnecessary hassle for every little thing . The bridge between USA and India was very, very vast. all the problems that existed then, exist now but on a smaller scale. There is a robust middle class, the utilization of man power and the facilities you get with that man power, the superb public transport, the easy access to healthcare, education, the place to be if you like interacting with IT workers just makes it a hard place to leave, to be honest. Is India the best place in the world right now? Probably,not! It will take a while for India to become a superpower but it is no longer the country it was back in the day when my dad left it fed up with lack of opportunities due to reservations and moved to Canada and then United States. It is a much better, improved country and in certain aspects it is actually better than United States ( example guns lol)

作为一个印度人，在美国定居值得吗？
好吧，我本身并不是印度国籍（因为我出生在美国），但我有印度血统，父母都是从印度来的，还有一些从印度来这里学习/工作的表亲和朋友。
根据我父亲的经验，他说，如果他有机会在这个时代搬到美国，而不是在80年代搬到美国，他是不会搬到美国的！当时，移民到美国的冲动要高得多，而印度的激励措施并不大。印度是一个第三世界国家，有很多穷人，很多腐败，很多繁文缛节，每一件小事都有不必要的麻烦。美国和印度之间的桥梁非常巨大。当时存在的所有问题现在都存在，但规模较小。这里有强大的中产阶级（群体），有可利用的人力资源和人力资源所提供的设施，一流的公共交通，便捷的医疗保健和教育，老实说，如果你喜欢和IT工作者互动，这个地方让你很难离开。印度现在是世界上最好的地方吗？可能不是！印度要成为超级大国还需要一段时间，但它不再是我父亲离开时的那个样子了，当时我父亲因为保留地而受够了印度缺乏机会的状态，搬到了加拿大，然后搬到了美国。印度会变得更好、更完善的，在某些方面，它实际上比美国好（例如枪支问题，哈哈）

There is something about these students from Germany, France, UK and even the middle east that hits hard a lot of first generation Indians, infact it has hit me sometimes as well. How they finish their studies or their work assignment and head back home without any regrets. They don’t have to stay thousands of miles away from their loved ones for long whereas our people wait for years and years and spend half their life trying to get a green card when they could be enjoying a good life , just without the same salary in their own home country. I had a cousin that was living alone in NJ and used to work in NYC , he was in his 30s and had made a lot of money and he is not even that old. He was in India and someone there asked him ‘ Why don’t you come back? What is there in United States that you stay there alone or with unknown strangers as roommates and experience pitch darkness 4 pm and cold winters most of the year, you have achieved everything you wanted to, and you are still relatively young, you have made so much money, you can come back and have a great job here as well and enjoy a good lifestyle here as well”. All he could say was “ I actually like the work culture there, and the people there are so smart”. Pat came the reply “ You think there is any shortage of smart people here?”, my cousin said something along the lines of “ But I have a career there……….” . As he returned home to a cold, depressing winter, the conversation hit him hard. What was he still doing here when he had achieved everything he wanted to? He had family, a good life, friends and a sense of peace waiting there for him in India and he was staying here just for a career. He had many acquaintances here, but he hardly had any real friends. He made up his mind and decided to pack up and leave . Today, he is working for some MNC there and is about to get married in December. When I spoke to him, he said he had problems there, but he has never regretted his decision to move back home and feels very comfortable, proud and happy living there, even with all the problems. He said he enjoys walking around the street and eating whatever he wants , whenever he wants , not having to worry about being mugged , not having to wear winter coats, watching and observing so many things as he travels by the trains there everyday, coming back home to have dinner with his parents, watching news.India is a place where you learn to live inspite of the problems, with an optimism that it will get resolved some day and life does not end because of some problems.

这些来自德国、法国、英国甚至中东的学生身上有一些东西对许多第一代印度人造成了沉重打击，事实上，有时我也会受到打击。他们如何完成学业或完成工作任务，然后毫无遗憾地回家。他们不需要远离他们的亲人很长时间，而我们等待了一年又一年，花了半辈子的时间去争取一张绿卡，而他们本可以享受美好的生活的，只是在自己国家无法获得同样的薪水。我有一个堂兄，他独自住在新泽西州，曾经在纽约市工作，他30多岁，赚了很多钱，甚至还没30多岁。他当时在印度，有人问他“你为什么不回来？”在美国，你一个人住或与不认识的陌生人住一起，那儿下午4点，就漆黑一片，而且一年中大部分时间都是寒冬，你获得了你想要的一切，而且你还相对年轻，你赚了这么多钱，你可以回来，在这里找到一份好工作，也可以在这里享受良好的生活方式”。他只能说“我真的很喜欢那里的工作文化，那里的人很聪明”。帕特回答道：“你认为这里缺少聪明人吗？”，我的表弟说了一些类似于“但我的事业在那里……”的话。当他在一个寒冷而压抑的冬天回到家时，这段谈话让他受到很大的打击。当他实现了他想要的一切时，他还在这里做什么？他在印度有家人、有美好的生活、有朋友和平静的感觉，他留在这里只是为了事业。他在这里有很多熟人，但几乎没有真正的朋友。他下定决心，决定收拾行李离开。今天，他在那里的一些跨国公司工作，准备在12月结婚。当我和他交谈时，他说他在那里遇到过问题，但他对于搬回家的决定从未后悔过，即使遇到了所有的问题，他觉得住在那里非常舒适、自豪和快乐。他说，他喜欢在街上走来走去，想吃什么就吃什么，不必担心被抢劫，不必穿冬衣，每天坐火车四处旅行都会观看和观察很多事情，回家能与父母共进晚餐，看新闻。印度是一个你学会生活的地方，尽管有遇到问题，但乐观面对，认为问题总有一天会解决，生活不会因为一些问题而结束。

I believe, if you are having real financial issues in India, it is worth spending long time in the United States and making as much money as you can. If you come from a good background with a great lifestyle in Mumbai or Bangalore, I would still come to the United States, take my education, WORK very hard for 5–8 years and leave for good. I don’t see the point of rotting in some town in Oklahoma or Ohio for 20 years with a Green Card application hanging in balance when I could live a good life in Borivali , Mumbai or Ahmadabad :). People with a good education, strong financial background and with good confidence can go the same way expats from Europe and be in the United States for a period of time, take the experience and leave.
I am not even born and raised in India and I sometimes feel depressed after I return from India.
Please, I am not telling people not to settle in USA , you are free to choose whichever way you think suits best for you. I only stated my personal opinion, I could be wrong as well.

我相信，如果你在印度面临真正的财务问题，那么在美国呆上一段时间，尽可能多地赚钱是值得的。如果你在孟买或班加罗尔，有良好的背景和良好的生活方式，我仍然认为可以来美国，接受教育，努力工作5-8年，然后永远离开。当我可以在博里瓦利、孟买或艾哈迈达巴德过上好日子的时候，我不明白在俄克拉荷马州或俄亥俄州的某个小镇里为了一份绿卡申请而苦苦挣扎20年的意义。受过良好教育、有良好经济背景、有良好信心的人可以像从欧洲来的外籍人士一样，在美国呆一段时间，体验过后并离开。
我甚至没有在印度出生和长大，从印度回来后有时会感到沮丧。
拜托，我不是告诉人们不要在美国定居，你可以自由选择的。

Gitu Randev
I too have some experience in USA to share with quora readers. Me and my husband being in 60s migrated to USA based on family sponsorship. We stayed put with our daughter and son in law till we had green card and kept visiting India every after 6 months. We helped our daughter to give birth to 2 children, did all household chores, did all jobs in the house, cooking, cleaning, taking care of children etc. But, after the children grew up, we were feeling left out, disrespected, taunted, and so on. Our son in law was playing dirty games to torture us without the knowledge of our daughter, and when confronted, he pretended innocence. We were crying silently, as we were brought to USA with promise to stay permanently. Anyways, one fine morning, things became crystal clear, and suddenly we were asked to leave the house immediately. Shocked and being helpless, with no job, no mobile, no money, we contacted our known contact in Kentucky, who offered to adjust us there. We left the house with heavy heart. We reached Kentucky from Missouri, stayed with friend for few days, had no car, no automobile, no driving licence, no USA experience, but kept on trying for job in winter season walking in snow, and finally landed job in Walmart ad maintenance associate (means Janitors). Duties included cleaning restrooms, clearing all trash inside and outside, mopping and cleaning floors, very tough jobs for me and my husband being both in 65 plus age. Our personalities project us as handsome and dashing couple with administrative type and educated looks. Many people questioned us what forced us take up this job, but we had no answer as we had to fill our tummies with food from the money we made from this job. We worked 3 and half years in this job, drained our bodies, injured our knees, no doubt got settled, took apartment on rent, bought automobile, made driving licence, and got settled. Finally Walmart announced closure of this branch, we were jobless, could not do any other job because of knee issues, did not get any sitting jobs for 6 month, funds finished, old age health issues cropoed up with no medical insurance,and totally broke. We came back to india to the same place in Delhi which we had left decade ago to settle in USA as promised by our daughter. We are U.S. citizens, but our old age experience in USA being alone, isolated and thrown out of house by our daughter and son in law, with no jobs, has taught us more lessons at this final sun set years. We are in India now adjusting with normal lifer

我在美国也有一些经验可以与quora的读者分享。我和我丈夫都60多岁了，是通过家庭赞助移民到美国的。我们和我们的女儿和女婿呆在一起，直到我们拿到绿卡，并每隔6个月就去一次印度。在女儿生两个孩子时我们提供帮助，做了所有的家务，做了家里所有的工作：做饭，打扫，照顾孩子等等。但是，孩子长大后，我们感到被冷落、不被尊重、被嘲笑等等。我们的女婿在女儿不知情的情况下玩肮脏的游戏折磨我们，当对质时，他又假装无辜。当我们被带到美国并承诺永久居留时，我们默默地哭着，因为我们被带到美国时，承诺可以永远留在这里。反正，在一个晴朗的早晨，事情变得非常清楚，我们突然被要求立即离开房子。我们震惊和无助，没有工作，没有手机，没有钱，于是联系了肯塔基州的熟人，他提出让我们在那里过度。我们怀着沉重的心情离开了房子。我们从密苏里州到达肯塔基州，和朋友住了几天，没有车，没有机动车，没有驾驶执照，没有在美国生活的经验，但一直在努力找工作，大冬天的在雪地里走，最终在沃尔玛找到了一份广告维护助理(意思是看门人)的工作；职责包括清洁洗手间、清理内外所有垃圾、拖地和清洁地板，对65岁以上的我和我丈夫来说，这工作都是非常艰巨的。我们的个性将我们塑造成一对英俊潇洒的夫妻，有着行政风格和受过教育的外表。许多人问我们是什么迫使我们做这份工作，但我们没有告知答案，因为我们必须用这份工作赚的钱来填饱肚子。我们做这份工，作了3年半，榨干了身体，膝盖受伤，毫无疑问，我们安顿下来了，租了公寓，买了汽车，取得了驾驶执照，然后安顿下来了。最后，沃尔玛宣布关闭这家分店，我们失业了，因为膝盖问题无法做任何其它工作，6个月内没有找到固定工作，资金用完，老年健康问题在没有医疗保险的情况下严重恶化，彻底破产。我们回到了印度，回到了德里的同一个地方，十年前我们因女儿的承诺离开了那里，在美国定居。我们是美国公民，但我们在美国的老年经历是孤独的，被我们的女儿和女婿孤立，被赶出家门，没有工作，在这最后的夕阳岁月里给了我们更多的教训。我们现在在印度，适应着正常的生活

Anonymous
Is settling in the USA worth it, being an Indian?
30 year old,Indian male.
I started my career with an Indian IT firm at age of 23. After working for while in bangalore for close to 3 years I was sent to US for a client engagement,there I stayed for another 3 years before I raised a request to move to India to my base location aka Bangalore.However after 5-6 months I finally stepped down from my corporate job and moved to my hometown Jaipur.
Purpose of writing all this “tell me about yourself” kind of para above, is because I feel that person who is reading this answer should get a gist that my life till now has been quite unsettling as well as volatile. Coming from small town to metro then to US, I literally saw myself evolving a lot during whole process.I will discuss about three different phases of my life in response to this question my distant past,my recent past and my present (only restricted to my experience with different social environments).

作为一个印度人，在美国定居值得吗？
30岁，印度男性。
23岁时，我在一家印度IT公司开始了我的职业生涯。在班加罗尔工作了近3年后，我被派往美国进行客户合作，在那里呆了另外3年，然后我提出了一个请求，要求回到印度，回到我的基地，也就是班加罗尔。然而，在5-6个月后，我最终辞去了我的公司职务，搬回了我的家乡斋普尔。
写这段“自我介绍”的目的，是因为我觉得读到这篇文章的人应该明白，我的生活到目前为止一直很不安，也很不稳定。从小镇到大城市，再到美国，在整个过程中，我真的看到了自己的进步。为了回答这个问题，我将讨论我人生的三个不同阶段——遥远的过去、近期和现在（仅限于我在不同社会环境中的经历）。
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Distant past (Bangalore)
Bangalore was quite organised compared to my hometown or any other town of north India for that matter. But the city was like a jug full to brim, it was like every person wanted to leave the city,their jobs but they just “can’t”.People were highly occupied within themselves quite different from regular Indian society which felt so good at early stage but slowly and slowly it started feeling what is exactly wrong with people?everything appeared so transactional even emotions were not free.

遥远的过去（班加罗尔）
在这方面，班加罗尔与我的家乡或印度北部的任何其他城镇相比都很有组织性。但这座城市就像一个装满了水的罐子，就像每个人都想离开这座城市，辞去他们的工作，但他们就是“不能”。人们高度关注自己的内心世界，与普通的印度社会截然不同，这在初期感觉很好，但慢慢地开始感到人们到底有什么问题？一切似乎都是交易，甚至情感也不再自由。

Recent past (US)
US was altogether a great experience it was like Bangalore 20.0. Lot more cleaner,safer and less populated but more socially awkward for people like me.I just couldn’t figure out what should I do so that I don’t feel lonely.I try making friends,made lot of them but just couldn’t feel that bonding with them which I had back in India. My life got limited to weekends, for rest of the week I just used to go to office cook some random shit ,eat it and then sleep. Sometimes in a day I used to call back to my home/gf three times a day and strangely they all seemed so busy,so alive. I try to drag conversation because I just don’t want them to hang up as I knew that if they do ,I might not get anyone to talk with me in “this way” . It become so much out of control that even after working entire day I couldn’t sleep in night I was just not tired or may be happy,I don’t know ,but I couldn’t sleep. I started hating that place, I just wanted to leave so applied for my transfer back to India and moved to bangalore.

近期（美国）
总之，在美国是一次重要的经历，就像班加罗尔 2.0版本：更加清洁、安全，人口更少，但对于像我这样的人来说，社交上更加尴尬。我完全弄不清楚“应该做什么才不会感到孤独”。我尽力交朋友，交了很多，但与他们就是无法感受到我在印度时的那种默契。我的生活被限制在周末，其他时间我只是去办公室，随便做点东西吃，然后睡觉。有时一天中我会给家人/女友打三次电话，但奇怪的是，他们似乎都很忙，很有活力。我试图拉长谈话，因为我不想让他们挂断电话，因为我知道如果他们挂断电话，也许我就找不到任何人能以“这种方式”来与我交谈了。情况变得非常失控，以至于即使工作了一整天，我晚上也睡不着，我完全不累，或者可能很开心吧，我不知道，就是无法入睡。我开始讨厌那个地方，我只想离开，于是申请调回印度，回到了班加罗尔。

Present (My Hometown)
I got pretty much clarity that this is not the way I want to live my life.I will waste my entire life if I continued in this way so I left my job move to my hometown and take over my family business which I never gave due importance earlier but all those years in unknown places made me realize it’s importance. Nothing much changed in my place there were again lots of people,lack of rules,dirtyness etc. etc. but amidst all these I was happy. My lifestyle started coming back on track I started waking up early,started becoming fit, everything started falling at right place.Yes, I don’t earn what I was earning in US or even in Bangalore but do I care,no. I am earning decent enough to give me and my family good lifestyle.

现在（我的家乡）
我很清楚”在美国“不是我想要的生活方式，如果我继续这样下去，我将浪费我的一生，所以我辞工，搬到了家乡，接管了我以前从未给予应有重视的家族企业，但在未知的地方度过的这些年让我意识到了它的重要性。我住的地方没有太大变化，又有很多人，缺乏规则，肮脏等等，但面对所有这些，我很高兴。我的生活方式开始回到正轨，我开始早起，开始变得健康，一切都开始朝着正确的方向发展。是的，我的收入没有我在美国甚至在班加罗尔的收入高，但我在乎吗，不在乎。我的收入足够可观，可以给我和我的家人良好的生活方式。

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