韩国希望成为世界上最大的军火商之一，网友讨论能否实现
South Korea wants to become one of the world's biggest arms dealers
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近年来，凭借政府的支持、有吸引力的价格和更快的交货时间，韩国在与西方国防制造商和价格更低的中国开发商的激烈竞争中脱颖而出。
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从2018年到2022年，韩国是全球第九大武器供应国，排在以色列、荷兰和土耳其之前。
近年来，凭借政府的支持、有吸引力的价格和更快的交货时间，韩国在与西方国防制造商和价格更低的中国开发商的激烈竞争中脱颖而出。
韩国的目标是到2027年成为世界第四大武器出口国，仅次于美国、俄罗斯和法国。
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South Korea has the highest industrial robot accumulation rate in the world. Automation of the manufacturing industry is the best in the world. The first place is not a normal first place either. It is three times the size of the United States, Japan, and Germany.. Not only the defense industry but also all industries are automated. Also, the ratio of engineering colleges in South Korea is still very high..Therefore, the overseas expansion of technical manpower is also active. South Korea's industrial competitiveness will not wane for at least decades..
韩国拥有世界上最高的工业机器人保有率。制造业的自动化水平是世界最佳的。第一名也不是普通的第一名，它是美国、日本和德国的三倍。不仅国防工业，而且所有工业都实现了自动化。此外，韩国的工程学院比例仍然非常高。因此，技术人才的海外扩张也很活跃。韩国的工业竞争力在未来几十年内不会减弱。
The core success factor of Korean defense industry that most analysts forget is that Korea is highly advanced in manufacturing as one of the world's top 3 manufacturing countries along with Germany and China (according to UN stats).
大多数分析师忽视的韩国国防工业的核心成功因素之一是，韩国是世界前三大制造业国家之一，与德国和中国并列（根据联合国统计数据）。
Not china
没有中国
Make SOJU Great Again
让韩国烧酒（韩国特产）再次伟大
Where are you finding this at? what I see from UN September 2023 says
China-28%
US-16%
Japan-7%
Germany-5%
India-2%
你从哪里得到这个信息的？我从2023年9月的联合国数据看到
中国-28%
美国-16%
日本-7%
德国-5%
印度-2%
and even if they was strictly talking about arms and not manufacturing as a whole, it would be US, Russia, France, China, Germany. 2022 SK arms reach up to 17b from 7b the year before. US sold 237b from 2016 to 2020. With the average of 50b every year. So they definitely can’t be talking about strictly arms exporting and manufacturing.
即使他们只是在谈论武器而不是整个制造业，也应该是美国、俄罗斯、法国、中国、德国。2022年，韩国的武器销售额从前一年的70亿美元增加到了170亿美元。而美国在2016年至2020年期间售出了2370亿美元的武器，平均每年约500亿美元。所以他们肯定不可能只在谈论武器的出口和制造。
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Korea's arms export in 2022 was nearly 18 billion dollar(some sources say 20 billion), which was the fourth in the world even though Korea has never exported its arms to Ukraine, and it's expected to be at least over 20 billion dollar thisyear.
韩国2022年的武器出口额接近180亿美元（有消息称200亿美元），尽管韩国从未向乌克兰出口过武器，但仍位居世界第四，预计今年至少将超过200亿美元。
We love and respect Korea very much here in the UK, and im sure that was evident after the state visit, hoping for our countries bonds to only grow.
我们英国非常热爱和尊重韩国，我相信这在国事访问后是显而易见的，希望我们两国的关系只会更加紧密。
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From the standpoint of a reserve Korean Air Force officer, the key point is that South Korea has been strengthening its defense capabilities against threats from the north for more than 70 years.
从一位韩国空军预备役军官的角度来看，关键点是韩国70多年来一直在加强对北方威胁的防御能力。
South Korea's been under threat for its entire existence, not developing it's own defense industry would just be a irresponsible and dereliction of duty on the Govs part.
韩国自存在以来一直受到威胁，不发展自己的国防工业是政府不负责任和失职。
The fact that they allow their customers to coproduce the weapons, and not have a million R&D safeguards is whats allowing them to sell so much.Plus their hardware is way ahead, equal and sometimes better than NATO standard.
事实上，他们允许客户共同生产武器，而不是设置一百万个研发保护措施，这就是他们能够销售如此好的原因。另外，他们的硬件遥遥领先，等同于，有时甚至优于北约的标准。
I mean they got help from western allies like Germany and US.
我的意思是他们得到了像德国和美国这样的西方盟友的帮助。
Every weapon producer make contracts about coproductions, they build factories in the buyer country.
每个武器制造商都会签署有关合作生产的合同，他们在购买国建立工厂。
Uhhh.No..Maybe you don't understand how it works to be a Western ally.Korea shares tech and manufacturing processes with the West just as we do with them.
What makes them better than NATO isn't quality it's volume.They ramped manufacturing far quicker than Western allies have and it makes sense given their proximity to China and North Korea.
呃…不…也许你不明白作为西方盟友是如何运作的。韩国与我们一样，与西方分享技术和制造过程。 使他们优于北约的不是质量，而是数量。他们的制造速度远远超过了西方盟友，考虑到他们与中国和朝鲜的接近程度，这是很容易理解的。
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The problem with US allies dealing arms is all their technology is so entangled with US content, a buyer needs to jump through the same hoops as buying US without the benefit of the relationship or access to eco system.
与美国的盟友交易武器的问题在于，它们的所有技术都与美国内容纠缠在一起，购买者需要经历与购买美国货相同的繁琐程序，却没有与美国的关系或进入生态系统的好处。
South Korean arms are high quality at great prices. SK has always needed a robust arms industry to combat NK. Russian arms exports are suffering because they are inferior and now used against Ukraine. U.S. arms are still by far the best but they’re expensive and need long lead times. I expect Japan’s arms industry to grow rapidly as well.
韩国的武器质量优异且价格合理。韩国一直需要强大的武器工业来对抗朝鲜。俄罗斯武器出口正在受到影响，因为它们质量较差，现在被用来对抗乌克兰。美国的武器仍然是迄今为止最好的，但它们昂贵且需要很长的交付时间。我预计日本的武器工业也将迅速增长。
Japanese systems are more expensive than that of the US's. i.e. M1A2 SEP v3 is ~5 M USD, and Type 10 is ~ 10M USD. I'm not sure if they can grow fast with that kind of price tags.
日本的系统比美国的贵。即M1A2 SEP v3约为500万美元，类型10约为1000万美元。我不确定他们是否能以这样的价格快速增长。
Sometimes it pays to make your own arms for self-sufficiency. Both Japan and South Korea are in a tough neighborhood surrounded by Russia, China and North Korea. That also explains why South Korea and Japan have drawn closer to each other in recent years despite their difficult past.
有时候，自给自足地制造自己的武器是值得的。无论是日本还是韩国，都处于一个由俄罗斯、中国和朝鲜包围的艰难地区。这也解释了为什么尽管它们有着不友好的过去，近年来韩国和日本却走得更近。
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Our country(Japan) has a restricted constitution that makes selling lethal weapons to other countries hard so I don't think so.
我们国家（日本）有一部受限制的宪法，使得向其他国家销售致命武器变得困难，所以我认为不太可能。
I mean, Israel, Italy and South Africa are relatively small countries with limited ability to manufacture, but still produce some of the best military equipment in the world
South Korea, with an industrial centered economy surely can
我的意思是，以色列、意大利和南非是相对小国，制造能力有限，但仍然生产出一些世界上最好的军事装备。
拥有以工业为中心的经济的韩国肯定也可以。
South korea not south Africa
韩国可不是南非
south africa makes decent weapons, many of their autocannons are in naval vessels for example.
南非制造出不错的武器，例如许多他们的自动火炮都装备在海军舰艇上。
South-Africa global leader in artillery systems and MRAPS. Troll, get your facts straight.
South-Korea is a US Vassal state.
US will never allow them to be global player/compete with their industries.
南非是火炮系统和防地雷反伏击车的全球领导者。蠢货，把你的事实搞清楚。
韩国是美国的附庸国。
美国永远不会允许他们成为全球玩家/与他们的工业竞争。
South Korea has already overtaken Germany. Korea as a whole is one of the most militarized people in the world, being as small as they are, but having a combined 1.8+ million soldiers in the armies of the North and South, nearly equal to the 2 million standing army of China, which has more than 20 times more people in its nation.
韩国已经超过了德国。韩国整体上是世界上最军事化的国家之一，尽管他们的国家很小，但北韩和南韩的军队总共有180多万士兵，几乎等于中国的200万常备军，而中国的人口是他们的20多倍。
Germany aint got no direct enemies nexi in line of border
德国在边界线上没有直接的敌人
the European have relaxed too much after the dawn of the cold war... Ukraine is literally the "slap" to wake them up
欧洲在冷战后放松了太多……乌克兰实际上是“耳光”，让他们清醒过来。
China doesn't depend on conscxtion otherwise its military would be way bigger.
Conscxt armies can be big but they can't afford as much ammo and weapons to even train with in peacetime.
中国不依赖征兵，否则它的军队规模会更大。
征兵军队可能规模庞大，但在和平时期无法负担大量弹药和武器，甚至无法进行充分的训练。
They already hit #2 last year due largely to Poland’s orders.
它们去年已经排名第二，这主要归功于波兰的订单。
Make KIMCHI Great Again
让泡菜再次伟大。
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Among the four countries to which the US transferred F-16 design tech, only SK succeeded in making a jet fighter of its own development. Japan, Turkey, and Taiwan failed.
在美国转让F-16设计技术的四个国家/地区中，只有韩国成功地研发出自己的喷气战斗机。日本、土耳其和台湾地区都未能成功。
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As a ROK Army veteran, I'm so proud of my country and our armed forces. It feels really weird that Korea became one of the influential countries in the world since I studied abroad in the states for over 10 years, and for the first 5 years before Gangnam style and Korea became popular,I remember all American guys knew about Korea was Kim Jung Il, Kim Jong Eun, missiles, and Korean war. But I feel amazed by current Korean phenomenon these days that now most people know well about SOUTH Korea, and they all go to eat K.bbq, listen to K-pop, watch K-movies/shows, see Korean score leader in English premier league, and K-Arms!! I'm just genuinely glad that now people ask me if I'm a Korean instead of asking if I'm either Chinese or Japanese (I alwayyyys got asked if I'm a Chinese or japanese all the time and It almost traumatized me haha). Let's go Korea and its allied forces!!!!
作为一名大韩民国陆军退伍军人，我为我的国家和我们的军队感到非常自豪。自从我在美国留学十多年以来，韩国成为了世界上有影响力的国家之一，这感觉真的很神奇。在“江南Style”和韩国变得流行之前的前5年，我记得所有美国人对韩国的了解是金正日、金正恩、导弹和朝鲜战争。但我对如今韩国的现象感到惊讶，现在大多数人都很了解韩国，他们都去吃韩式烤肉，听韩流音乐，看韩国电影/电视剧，看英格兰超级联赛的韩国积分王，还有韩国武器！我真的很高兴现在人们问我是否是韩国人，而不是问我是否是中国人或日本人（我总是被问到是不是中国人或日本人，这几乎让我受创了哈哈）。让我们一起加油，为韩国和它的盟国!!!!
Canada should buy some South Korean Destroyers and Frigates!We should also build some of our own ships as well.Plus we should buy some Japanese ships as well, they build them on time and on a small budget so there would be huge savings for Canada if the deal was done right.
加拿大应该购买一些韩国驱逐舰和护卫舰！我们也应该自己建造一些船只。此外，我们还应该购买一些日本船只，他们按时建造，预算很小，所以如果交易做得好，加拿大将节省大量资金。
we are building are own as we speak. however its very over budget
我们正在建造我们自己的船只。然而，预算超出了很多。
Canada is currently in the market for buying new submarines and they might buy Korean (KSS III)
加拿大目前正在市场上寻找购买新的潜艇，他们可能会购买韩国的（KSS III）。
over budget and poor quality
预算超出并且质量很差。
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Been seeing lots of South Korean offerings in many deals for fighter jets, tanks, submarines, ships etc in the last 2 years. They're really penetrating lot of markets with some well priced impressive systems.
Their big technology and manufacturing private players have successfully established a foothold in arms development and pushing the West out of many deals.
Hopefully my country India can rise up faster in the export market and atleast compete with S.Korea and Turkey.
India has just started to push private players more and expand production, our state owned players are terrible. In another 5 years or so some our products will start competing for export orders as well.
在过去的两年里，我们在战斗机、坦克、潜艇、军舰等的交易中看到了很多韩国产品。他们用一些价格合理、令人印象深刻的系统打入了很多市场。
他们的大型技术和制造业私营企业已经成功地在武器开发领域建立了立足点，并将西方挤出了许多交易。
希望我的国家印度能在出口市场上更快崛起，至少能与韩国和土耳其竞争。
印度刚刚开始推动私营企业的发展，扩大生产，我们的国有企业很糟糕。再过5年左右，我们的一些产品也将开始争夺出口订单。
Bro. The perception of Indian weapons outside India is disastrous.
India can take pride in its over-promotion of its own weapons, but the uation of Indian weapons abroad is, in a nutshell, nothing more.
兄弟，印度武器在印度以外的印象是很灾难性的。
印度可以为其对自己武器的过度宣传感到自豪，但在国外对印度武器的评估，简而言之就是毫无价值。
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very true, many Indians won’t be able to digest the truth. Not only Indian manufactured weapon systems lack the quality but also their procrastinating in delivering the systems to their customers & after-sale service is disastrous. Colombia had suffered from their HAL supplied 4 Dhruv helicopters, half of them are crashed & rest were forced to grounded. HAL didn’t take Colombia's complain in consideration. After sales service was poor. HAL blamed on pilot's error.
Now after major incidents occurredin Indian choppers, then HAL has forced to acknowledge the lack of proper technical things that are needed to be addressed with Dhruv helicopters.
India despite signing of the contract with the Philippines Marines more than two years prior, still hasn’t exported a single battery of BrahMos surface to surface missiles. That isn’t called competitiveness.
非常正确，许多印度人无法接受这个事实。不仅印度制造的武器系统质量很差，而且他们在向客户交付系统和售后服务上的拖延是灾难性的。哥伦比亚因为他们的HAL（印度斯坦航空有限公司）供应的4架北极星直升机而受苦，其中一半已经坠毁，其余的被迫停飞。HAL没有考虑哥伦比亚的投诉。售后服务很差。HAL将责任归咎于飞行员的错误。
现在，在印度直升机发生了重大事故之后，HAL不得不承认需要解决北极星直升机的一些适当的技术问题。
尽管印度在两年多前就与菲律宾海军签订了合同，但仍然没有出口一套布拉莫斯地对地导弹。这不能称为有竞争力。
your country couldn't even strike a deal for public toilet ... public hygiene's first then defense...
你的国家甚至无法达成公共厕所的协议...首先保证公共卫生，然后再考虑国防...
Don't worry.India will soon exceed Turkey.
别担心。印度很快就会超过土耳其。
Korean equipment is quality at bargain prices, express delivery included.
韩国的装备质量好，价格实惠，还包括快递服务。
Korea has no resources, but it is the world's sixth largest exporter and the world's fifth largest industrial country.The arms industry is only part of the industry we have and there is nothing special about exporting.
韩国虽然没有资源，但它是世界第六大出口国和第五大工业国。军火工业只是我们工业的一部分，出口没有什么特别之处。
FYI, even US Navy is seriously considering to give Korea orders to build their warships such as Aegis Arleigh Burke-class destroyer and subs
due to the limited capacity of their shipyards and the competition with Chinese Navy by amending Jons Act.
顺便说一下，甚至美国海军都在认真考虑将建造他们的军舰的订单交给韩国，比如宙斯盾阿利·伯克级驱逐舰和潜艇，因为他们的船厂容量有限，而通过修改琼斯法（要求在美国港口之间运输的货物必须由美国公民或永久居民建造、拥有和经营的船只运输）与中国海军竞争。
Any source?I am curious
有什么消息来源吗？我很好奇。
You may not want to admit it, but Korea has been the world's No. 1 shipbuilder for a very long time.Korea is the only country in the world that can respond to China's productivity.
你可能不愿承认，但韩国长期以来一直是世界上第一大造船国。韩国是世界上唯一能够应对中国生产力的国家。
The military industry is not a profitable business. This industry costs more money on R&D than It's profits from selling weapons.
In peacetime, it may feel like "a bottomless pit" as you need to keep pumping out tons of money. Even if there is a financial crisis and the country goes bankrupt, you still have to put money into R&D. This is an effort to network with our allies in order for South Korea to own survive.
军工行业并非一项有利可图的业务。这个行业在研发方面的花费比从销售武器中获得的利润还要多。
在和平时期，它可能感觉像是"无底洞"，因为你需要不断地投入大量资金。即使发生财政危机，国家破产，你仍然必须投入资金进行研发。这是为了与我们的盟友建立网络，以便韩国能够生存下去。
Deep insight
深刻的见解。
And also it is extremely hard for the industry to keep production lines alive in peacetime.
South Korea is a extremely exceptional case due to North Korea, China, Russia and Japan.
I heard that S. Korea is capable of producing 3 times more than they do as usual,which means 3 times more of tanks and stuff without the expansion of factories for example.
If S. Korea supplies a massive amount of shells and weapons to Ukraine, the war would become much more in favor of Ukraine, I believe.
而且，在和平时期，对这个行业来说，保持生产线的运转非常困难。
韩国由于朝鲜、中国、俄罗斯和日本的原因，是一个非常特殊的例子。
我听说，韩国有能力生产出他们通常的三倍以上的产品，这意味着例如，没有扩大工厂的情况下，他们可以生产出三倍以上的坦克和其他东西。
如果韩国向乌克兰提供大量的炮弹和武器，我相信，战争将更加有利于乌克兰。
S Korea is already #2 arms exporter after USA. Note that Russia and China may be bigger producers, but they are mostly for domestic use. Many countries simply do not export arms.
韩国已经是仅次于美国的第二大军火出口国。请注意，俄罗斯和中国可能是更大的生产国，但它们主要用于国内使用。许多国家根本不出口军火。
Not true. In terms of global export in arms sales, China is no.2 behind US. Korea only targets countries with bigger budget & has long been a NATO-grade arms consumer (e.g. Indonesia, Colombia, Philippines).. while China aims for low income countries which are seeking replacement for its Soviet bloc weapons like South Asia & Africa..
不。在全球武器销售的出口方面，中国排在美国之后，位居第二。韩国只针对预算较大的国家，并且长期以来一直是北约级别武器的消费国（例如印度尼西亚、哥伦比亚、菲律宾）…而中国则针对寻求替换其苏联集团武器的低收入国家，如南亚和非洲…。
As an Indian, whenever I look at Korea and Japan, I think that India and Southeast Asia have nothing to boast about other than their population and size of territory.
作为一个印度人，每当我看到韩国和日本时，我都认为印度和东南亚除了人口和领土大小之外没有什么可夸耀的。