QA：您能举一个中国公司抄袭外国产品然后改进以作为自己的产品销售的成功例子吗？AS回答：我们来聊一下BYD
Can you give an example of a Chinese company copying a foreign product and then improving it to sell as their own?
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AS回答：这方面的例子太多了，你知道比亚迪公司吗？2004年，该公司只有几百名员工，主要从事手机电池的生产。在收购了一家濒临破产的旧汽车工厂后......
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Aya Shawn
master in Computer Science, National University of Singapore
There are too many examples of this
Do you know BYD company?
In 2004, the company had only a few hundred employees, and they were mainly engaged in the production of mobile phone batteries. After acquiring an old car factory that was on the verge of bankruptcy. Their boss Wang Chuanfu was determined to buy back a ninth-generation Corolla sedan. Yes, it was the famous Toyota Corolla at the time.
这方面的例子太多了
你知道比亚迪公司吗？
2004年，该公司只有几百名员工，主要从事手机电池的生产。在收购了一家濒临破产的旧汽车工厂后。他们的老板王传福决心买一辆第九代卡罗拉轿车。是的，它就是当时著名的丰田卡罗拉。
Several college graduates and veteran workers dismantled this Toyota Corolla into parts, and then manufactured all the parts exactly like it. Because of the backward processing technology, they were unable to produce engines and manual transmissions of acceptable quality, so they purchased finished engines and transmissions from Mitsubishi. And assemble the shell and various parts made by yourself. In 2005, they produced BYD's first product, BYD F3. Its price is only 60% of the Toyota Corolla. Of course, its quality is far inferior to the Toyota Corolla.
几位大学毕业生和老工人将这辆丰田卡罗拉拆成零件，然后将所有零件制造得一模一样。由于加工技术落后，他们无法生产出质量合格的发动机和手动变速箱，因此他们从三菱购买了成品发动机和变速箱。并组装自己制作的外壳和各种零件。2005年，他们生产了比亚迪的第一款产品比亚迪F3。其价格仅为丰田卡罗拉的60%。当然，它的品质也远不如丰田卡罗拉。
几位大学毕业生和老工人将这辆丰田卡罗拉拆成零件，然后将所有零件制造得一模一样。由于加工技术落后，他们无法生产出质量合格的发动机和手动变速箱，因此他们从三菱购买了成品发动机和变速箱。并组装自己制作的外壳和各种零件。2005年，他们生产了比亚迪的第一款产品比亚迪F3。其价格仅为丰田卡罗拉的60%。当然，它的品质也远不如丰田卡罗拉。
In fact, many Chinese derided it as an "industrial garbage". After Toyota saw this car, they didn't even bother to sue them.
However, relying on this "industrial waste", BYD completed its primitive accumulation and invested a large amount of money in the fields of batteries and electric vehicle technology. They produced the first pure electric vehicle in 2006. At that time, Tesla was not yet established.
事实上，当时许多中国人嘲笑它是“工业垃圾”。丰田看到这辆车后，根本就懒得去起诉他们。
然而，比亚迪却靠着这种“工业垃圾”完成了原始积累，随后在电池和电动汽车技术领域投入了大量资金。他们在2006年生产了第一辆纯电动汽车。当时特斯拉还没有成立。
However, relying on this "industrial waste", BYD completed its primitive accumulation and invested a large amount of money in the fields of batteries and electric vehicle technology. They produced the first pure electric vehicle in 2006. At that time, Tesla was not yet established.
事实上，当时许多中国人嘲笑它是“工业垃圾”。丰田看到这辆车后，根本就懒得去起诉他们。
然而，比亚迪却靠着这种“工业垃圾”完成了原始积累，随后在电池和电动汽车技术领域投入了大量资金。他们在2006年生产了第一辆纯电动汽车。当时特斯拉还没有成立。
In 2023, BYD is currently the world's largest and highest-selling electric vehicle supplier. They just released one of their most advanced electric SUVs, the U8, which caused a sensation at the Tokyo Motor Show because of its revolutionary design (it can even turn around and drive on water).
快进到2023年，比亚迪是目前全球最大、销量最高的电动汽车供应商。他们刚刚发布了他们最先进的电动SUV之一U8，它因其革命性的设计（甚至可以在水上转弯和行驶）而在东京车展上引起轰动。
快进到2023年，比亚迪是目前全球最大、销量最高的电动汽车供应商。他们刚刚发布了他们最先进的电动SUV之一U8，它因其革命性的设计（甚至可以在水上转弯和行驶）而在东京车展上引起轰动。
Due to its huge success in the field of electric vehicles, BYD's market value has been equal to that of Toyota Motor. However, Toyota is still struggling in the wave of electrification transformation.
由于在电动汽车领域取得巨大成功，比亚迪的市值已与丰田汽车持平。然而，丰田在电动化转型的浪潮中依然举步维艰。
由于在电动汽车领域取得巨大成功，比亚迪的市值已与丰田汽车持平。然而，丰田在电动化转型的浪潮中依然举步维艰。
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· Nov 4
My family's first sedan was a black version of the BYD F3. My parents purchased it for just a little over 70,000 RMB over 13 years ago. At that time, our budget wasn't sufficient for a Toyota. As a student back then, I had a rather negative opinion of BYD, to the extent that, after obtaining my driver's license, I never actually drove that BYD F3.
我家的第一辆轿车是黑色版的比亚迪F3。13年前，我父母花了7万多人民币买下了它。当时我们的预算不够买一辆丰田。当年还是学生的时候，我对比亚迪的印象就比较负面，以至于拿到驾照后，我从来没有真正开过那辆比亚迪F3。
今天，当我整理一份可能购买的汽车清单时，它包括了很多国产品牌。在15万元至20万元的价格区间内，全球尚无能与国产车品质相媲美的竞争对手。国内汽车厂商的竞争非常激烈，很多原来30万元左右的车型才有的功能，现在已经出现在10万元以上的车型上。相比之下，同一价格范围内的日系和德系汽车功能有限，他们的 2023 款车型与 2020 款车型相比几乎没有什么改进。他们甚至不愿意为其信息娱乐系统配备更大的屏幕，并且内部颜色选择通常仅限于黑色。很难理解为什么有人仍然选择丰田。无论您是否有个人偏好，比亚迪始终提供您在编制汽车购物清单时值得考虑的车型。
The engine of the BYD F3 was apparently inspired by the Honda Fit.
Last year, when we went to purchase another car, we began by visiting a BYD dealership and drove our BYD F3 there.
During our journey, we coincidentally came across a white version of the BYD F3.
Interestingly, none of the staff at the BYD dealership recognized the two BYD F3 cars we were driving.
以下是一些值得注意的点：
比亚迪F3的发动机显然是受到本田飞度的启发。
去年，当我们去购买另一辆车时，我们首先参观了一家比亚迪经销店，是驾驶我们的比亚迪F3去的。
在旅途中，我们偶然遇到了一辆白色版的比亚迪F3。
有趣的是，比亚迪经销店的工作人员没有一个认出我们驾驶的两辆比亚迪F3汽车。
Fong Sai Chong
· Nov 4
BYD MY NEXT DREAM CAR
比亚迪是我的下一辆梦中情车
Qi Ping
· Nov 4
BYD is at best the next generation of VW and Toyota, there should be better options for dream cars like NIO, Zeekr
比亚迪充其量只是下一代大众和丰田，作为梦中情车来讲，应该说像蔚来、极氪这样是更好的选择
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· Nov 4
The probability of NIO surviving is very low. It is not profitable and has no means of making a profit. It will soon be acquired by traditional car manufacturers
蔚来活下来的概率非常低。它没有盈利，也没有盈利手段。感觉很快就会被传统汽车厂商收购
Derick Sim
· Nov 5
when a car maker went to make a phone, its a sure sign.
当一家汽车制造商开始生产手机时，这是一个明确的信号。
Gia
· Nov 5
We all had to start from somewhere, even if we had to cheat a bit! If the wheel ain’t broke, don’t fix it to start off.
我们都必须从某个地方开始，即使我们不得不作弊！只要达到目标，那就行了。
Derick Sim
· Nov 3
30 years river flows eastwards, next 30 years river flows westwards. Toyota was indeed the undisputed champion for hydrogen fuel cell. however who will be stupid enough to hand the keys to the Japanese for them to strangle hold the entire industry.
三十年河东三十年河西。丰田确实是氢燃料电池领域无可争议的冠军。但谁会愚蠢到把钥匙交给日本人，让他们扼杀整个行业。
Henry Wang
· Nov 5
The Japanese wanted to monopolize power cells so they literally blocked off almost everyone else using patents. However, Japan’s small market means that they can’t make the tech economic enough to be wide used, and they also didn’t do anything about storage and transportation of hydrogen, which is the main hindrance of hydrogen power.
So hence everyone else essentially ditched Japan and went to develop battery electric instead, making it the mainstream and pushing hydrogen power into the sidelines. Nonetheless, given that hydrogen power has immense potential if the problems it have are resolved, I suspect what Tesla and the Chinese EVs are doing is that they are waiting for Japan’s car industry to crash (it’s already in decline) so that they can scoop up all of their research cheaply and then develop hydrogen cars of their own.
So this is why I say Japan was real stupid. Had they not tried to monopolize hydrogen they may actually be in Tesla and the China EV’s position today.
日本人想垄断氢动力电池，因此他们实际上封锁了几乎所有其他使用专利的人。然而，日本市场狭小意味着他们无法使该技术的成本下降从而被广泛接受，而且他们在氢的储存和运输方面也没有做任何贡献，这是氢能的主要障碍。
因此，其他人基本上放弃了日本路线，转而开发锂电池汽车，使其成为主流，并将氢能推向边缘。尽管如此，考虑到氢能在现有问题得到解决的情况下依然具有巨大的潜力，我怀疑特斯拉和中国电动汽车公司正在等待日本汽车工业崩溃（它已经在衰退），以便他们能够抢占先机。他们以低廉的成本获得所有研究成果，然后开发自己的氢汽车。
所以这就是为什么我说日本真的很愚蠢。如果他们没有试图垄断氢能源，他们实际上可能处于特斯拉和中国电动汽车今天的领先地位。
Derick Sim
· Nov 5
the Japanese thought they have the watch, everyone else had time...
日本人以为他们掌握了诀窍，别人都得跟着他们走
· Nov 4
This champion is meaningless, unable to scale at low cost, and cannot be transformed into a product that competes with other new energy sources
日本这个冠军毫无意义，无法低成本规模化，无法转化为与其他新能源竞争的产品
· Nov 4
The U8. A petrol engine with an electric motor that is a poor rip off of a land rover. Not the best of examples.
U8。他只是一款带有电动机的汽油发动机，它是路虎的劣质复制。不是最好的例子。
· Nov 4
Err, 4 electric motors, 1100 HP. The only thing it has in common with Landrover is that it’s boxy.
呃，4 个电动机，1100 马力。它与路虎唯一的共同点是它的四四方方。
· Nov 4
Not even close. U8 is way boxier with an old design back with modern twist. To call that the same as land rover is you being sour.
完全不同。U8 更加四四方方，带有现代风格的旧设计背面。把它和路虎说成一样就太酸了。
· Nov 6
land rover can’t even bring a similar product
路虎根本无法造出类似的产品
· Nov 6
Of course. Land Rover don't do 4 wheel drive off road vehicles….
当然。路虎不生产四驱越野车……
渡弦 余
你这个弱智儿童真可怜
Lykc
· Nov 4
MIC is marching on. There is no stopping.
中国制造，继续前进。永不停止。
· Nov 7
Plenty of YouTube clips of spontaneous fires in the BYD cars.
YouTube 上有大量比亚迪汽车自燃的视频。
John Foster
· Nov 7
History repeats itself … The method outlined below was the precise way in which the Toyoda fabric spinning company entered the automobile manufacturing business in the mid 1030’s. A younger son went to the USA and worked for GM (I think Chevrolet division) in order to learn how to make engines. Returning to Japan with a mid-30’s Cvevrolet Master, it was disassembled in an aircraft hangar and engineering students produced detailed drawings of every component. Having owned a 1954 Chevrolet panel truck, the resemblance of the straight 6 “Stovebolt” engine to that in a 1970’s Toyota Land Cruiser was astounding. Note that both manufacturers continued to produce this engine into the late 1980’s.
历史重演……下面讲的故事正是丰田纺织公司在 1030年代中期进入汽车制造业务的精确路线。他的小儿子去了美国，为通用汽车（我认为是雪佛兰部门）工作，以学习如何制造发动机。带着一辆 30年代中期的雪佛兰Master返回日本后，它在仓库中被拆解，工程专业的学生制作了每个部件的详细图纸。我拥有一辆 1954年的雪佛兰平板卡车，其直列 6 缸“Stovebolt”发动机与 1970 年代的丰田陆地巡洋舰的相似之处令人震惊。请注意，两家制造商在 80年代末都继续生产该发动机。
John Foster
· Nov 7
Actually mid 1930’s ……
你说的是1930吧
Ting Ho
· Nov 11
In US, we don't have the privilege to buy an affordable and reliable car, like BYD since our government was controlled by the 1% entrepreneurs, who see such products are highly competitive in the market. Instead,those entrepreneurs have been promoting the unreliable usage of EVs in Northeart due to the cold weather. That's why many people would still prefer gasoline engines, or hybrid system.
在美国，我们没有权利购买像比亚迪这样价格实惠且可靠的汽车，因为我们的政府是由 1% 的企业家控制的，他们认为此类产品在市场上具有很强的竞争力。相反，由于天气寒冷，这些企业家一直在宣传东北地区电动汽车不靠谱。这就是为什么许多人仍然更喜欢汽油发动机或混合动力系统。
Bertha Benz
· Tue
Same colour, 4 wheels, 4 doors, 2 headlamps definitively a copy!
相同颜色、4 个轮子、4 个门、2 个头灯，绝对是复制品！
· Tue
BYD is indeed a good example, but if you think that today's Chinese companies are still repeating the BYD route, you are wrong.
Look at NIO’s cars, who did they copy? Completely original design and original technology, outstanding. I took a closer look at its engine bay at the Norwegian Motor Show and even crouched down to take a look at the chassis. I think it even surpasses the level of Mercedes Benz. Apart from being expensive, there are no drawbacks.
Did you know that it can replace the battery fully automatically in 5 minutes without charging? Tesla was an antique in front of him!
BYD确实是一个很好的例子，但是如果你认为今天的中国车企依然在重复BYD这条路线，那你就错了。
看看蔚来的车子，他们复制了谁？完全的原创设计和原创技术，非常出色。我在挪威车展上仔细观察了它的引擎舱，甚至蹲下来看了底盘。我觉得它甚至超越了梅赛德斯奔驰的水平。除了贵，没有缺点。
你知道吗，他可以在5分钟内全自动更换电池，无需充电。特斯拉在他面前就是古董！