你去过的最脏的国家是哪里？（二）

Nick M
New Delhi India.
To be fair, I didn’t travel extensively through India so I may have found places that were worse.
It’s not that Indians are dirty people. Quite the opposite. I am of Indian descent. I traveled with my family. The places I visited simply had an overwhelming number of people, and people create some of their own “dirt” and pollution.
Frankly the city smelled bad. The air pollution is extreme there and the wastewater system is dysfunctional at best and completely inadequate to handle the population.
I’d like to see the city and the country improve.

印度新德里。
公平地说，我在印度的旅行并不广泛，所以我可能发现了一些更糟糕的地方。
这并不是说印度人是肮脏的人。恰恰相反。我是印度裔。我和家人一起旅行。我去过的地方只是人太多了，而人群会产生一些自己的“脏乱”和污染。
坦率地说，城市的气味很难闻。那里的空气污染极其严重，废水处理系统充其量只能说是功能失调，完全不足以处理如此多的人口。
我希望这座城市和这个国家都能有所改善。

Alan Sargeant
Bangladesh is the dirtiest place I have been too and one of the few countries that I have zero interest in visiting a second time. It seemed to have the worst of British bureaucracy overlaid with Islamic religion and culture. I worked for almost a month in Dhaka and Chittagong with the World Bank and subsequently was asked to apply for a two year Diplomatic Posting (this would have followed a two year Posting to Indonesia which was dirty but I go still there there) and was very glad when I missed out. I have seen the dirt of India and Nepal and have been to Nepal on three occasions and India once - I would go back to these countries.

孟加拉国是我去过的最脏的地方，也是我没有兴趣再去第二次的少数几个国家之一。它似乎将英国最糟糕的官僚主义与伊斯兰宗教和文化重叠在一起。我在达卡和吉大港的世界银行工作了近一个月，随后被要求申请为期两年的外交派驻（这本来是在我去印度尼西亚的两年派驻之后，虽然那里很脏，但我还是去了那里），我很高兴我错过了。我见过印度和尼泊尔的脏乱差，去过尼泊尔三次，印度一次--我愿意再去这些国家。

Walter John Burgess
For me, the dirtiest country of the 13 countries I have visited or lived in would be Indonesia. The photo someone else said was the Philippines, could be illustrated as Jakarta and the river outside the office building I worked from., and others I filmed. There were other slums in Jakarta and cities throughout Indonesia that appalled me.
I have seen slums in Bangkok that were bad, but nowhere as bad as in Jakarta. Even the worst places I saw in Pakistan were far better.

对我来说，我去过或居住过的13个国家中最肮脏的国家将是印度尼西亚。别人说是菲律宾的照片，可能是雅加达和我办公的办公楼外的河流，以及我拍摄的其他地方。雅加达和印尼其他城市有我震惊的贫民窟。曼谷也有糟糕的贫民窟，但远不及雅加达恶劣。即使我在巴基斯坦看到的最糟糕的地方也要好得多。

Deirdre Beecher
I'm going to nominate Indonesia, because of the horrible juxtapostion of where the waste is dumped.
Indonesia has stunningly beautiful rainforest, pristine and ancient with amazing wildlife. But as you are driving along staring in awe, you will find an illegal dump where someone has thrown several lorry loads of rubbish off the side of road.
Indonesia has the most amazing diving with stunning reefs, huge turtles and colourful fish. But lodged amoungst them will be domestic waste dumped into the sea by islanders.
Surrounded by such beauty, the dumps are even uglier than normal.

我要提名印度尼西亚，因为垃圾堆放的可怕环境。印度尼西亚拥有令人惊叹的美丽原始丛林，古老而原始，拥有惊人的野生动物。但当你开车沿着道路驻足欣赏时，你会发现一个非法的垃圾场，有人把几辆卡车的垃圾扔在路边。印度尼西亚有着最令人惊叹的潜水胜地，拥有壮丽的珊瑚礁、巨大的海龟和丰富多彩的鱼类。但在它们中间，你会发现当地居民把家庭垃圾扔进海里。被如此美景环绕，垃圾场甚至比正常的更难看。

Gleb Shalimov
If you have studied in advance the place of residence and are ready to see besides palm trees and snow-white sand rats at the dumpster, it will not be a surprise to you. If you are soft and clean, Asia, South America, Africa is better not to explore. We've seen the dirt of India, and the stench of Vietnam, and the destruction and construction waste of Cambodia, but in all these countries we found a lot of real cultural and historical treasures, which were overshadowed by all the negativity. So it's important to separate the concepts - are you going to learn the country or on vacation?)

如果你事先研究了居住地的情况，并准备好看到除了棕榈树和雪白的沙滩外还有垃圾箱里的老鼠，那么这对你来说就不会是一个令人惊讶的事情。如果你很娇贵爱干净，最好不要探索亚洲、南美和非洲。我们见识了印度的肮脏、越南的臭味、柬埔寨的破败和建筑废墟，但在所有这些国家，我们都发现了许多真正的文化和历史宝藏，这些都被所有的负面情绪所掩盖了。所以重要的是要分清楚概念——你是去学习这个国家还是去度假？

Answering your question, probably the dirtiest for us was the city of Sihanoukville, Cambodia, as we got to a period of its global development. The sidewalks were completely ripped up, the asphalt was removed throughout the city, the Chinese were building the city simultaneously with several thousand obxts - hotels, skyscrapers, business centers (if I remember correctly in 2020 there were about 5000 construction projects in this small resort town). And because they were building fast, construction debris was mixed in with organic debris. Now the construction is in its final stages, the roads have already been repaired, the sidewalks have been restored. But we were at the very peak of this chaos. It embarrassed us little, we were looking for sparsely populated beaches, exploring temples, parks and neighborhoods of the city on a moped and in 10 days of stay we saw a lot.

回答你的问题，对我们来说最脏的可能是柬埔寨的西哈努克市，因为我们到了它的全球发展时期。整个城市的人行道被完全夷为平地，沥青路面也被铲除，中国人同时在这座城市里建造了数千个建筑项目--酒店、摩天大楼、商业中心（如果我没记错的话，2020 年，这座度假小城大约有 5000 个建筑项目）。由于建设速度很快，建筑垃圾与有机垃圾混杂在一起。现在，施工已进入最后阶段，道路已经修复，人行道也已恢复。但我们当时正处于这场混乱的高峰期。这并没有让我们感到为难，我们骑着轻便摩托车寻找人烟稀少的海滩，探索寺庙、公园和城市街区，在 10 天的逗留中，我们看到了很多东西。

Suraj Prajapati
The influential magazine “The Economist” recently carried a story about India’s environment “ “Why is India one of the most polluted countries on Earth” The “Economic Times” followed this with a story headlined “India alarmingly filthy even by standards of poor countries”. Nobody living here can deny it. Most of our lakes and rivers are severely poisoned with urban and chemical effluents. The air in most of the cities, particularly in North India is polluted well beyond the severe level prescribed. Even without reading these it is now quite apparent that six years after the Prime Minister announced the Swachh Bharat Abhiyan with much fanfare, it is apparent that we cannot clean up the rotting trash that has become so common on our streets all over the country?

最近，颇具影响力的《经济学家》杂志刊登了一篇关于印度环境的报道：“为什么印度是地球上最污染的国家之一”。接着，“经济时报”以“即使按照贫穷国家的标准，印度也异常肮脏”的标题跟进报道。居住在这里的人无法否认这一点。我们大部分的湖泊和河流都被城市和化工废水严重污染。大部分城市的空气，特别是印度北部地区的空气，污染程度远远超过了严重污染的标准。即使没有阅读这些报道，现在很显然，六年前总理以宏伟宣言宣布了“清洁印度运动”，显然我们无法清理遍布全国街道上普遍存在的腐烂垃圾。
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Men can be seen all over the country peeing on walls or into the air. It is almost impossible to find any pavements in our towns and cities, and when there are some, they are strewn with trash and wet with urine. Simple logic tells us we need a lot more trash bins and public toilets. But that is the easier part.

全国各地都可以看到有人在墙上或对着空气撒尿。在我们的城镇，几乎找不到任何人行道，即使有，也是垃圾遍地、尿液横流。简单的逻辑告诉我们，我们需要更多的垃圾桶和公共厕所。但这是比较容易的部分。

Keeping them clean and usable is the more difficult part. Clearly we are failing. We have a system of high cost government with low returns. We need a newer and better way of managing ourselves. Visiting the Banaras Hindu University on February 4, 1916, Mahatma Gandhi in his address said: “I visited the Vishvanath temple last evening. If a stranger dropped from above on to this great temple, would he not be justified in condemning us? Is it right that the lanes of our sacred temples should be as dirty as they are? If even our temples are not models of cleanliness, what can our self- government be? We do not know elementary laws of cleanliness. We spit everywhere. The result is indescribable filth.” In the 104 years since then things have only worsened. We not only spit everywhere, we piss everywhere, we shit wherever and dump our garbage anywhere. India is easily the most dirty, unhygienic and filthy country in the world. Picking up from here, our Prime Minister had rightly launched the Swachh Bharat campaign to clean up India. He has announced an ambitious campaign to build home toilets for 12 million urban households, 25 million public toilets, and 30 million community toilets.

保持它们清洁和可用是更困难的部分。显然，我们正在失败。我们有一个高成本、低回报的政府体系。我们需要一种更新、更好的管理方式。
1916年2月4日访问班纳拉斯印度大学时，圣雄甘地在演讲中说：“昨晚我参观了维什瓦纳特神庙。如果一个陌生人从天而降到这座伟大的寺庙，他难道不应该谴责我们吗？我们神圣的寺庙的小巷为何如此肮脏？即使连我们的寺庙都不是清洁的典范，那么我们的自治政府还能是什么样子呢？我们连基本的清洁原则都不懂。我们随处吐痰。结果是难以形容的肮脏。”从那时起的104年以来，情况只变得更糟。我们不仅随处吐痰，随处撒尿，随地排便，还到处乱扔垃圾。印度很容易成为世界上最肮脏、不卫生和污秽的国家。正是基于这一点，我们的总理才提出了清洁印度运动来清洁印度。他宣布了一个雄心勃勃的计划，即为1200万城市家庭建造家庭卫生间，修建2500万个公共厕所和3000万个社区厕所。

In all over 300 million will be helped with “solid waste management practices” and this is to be achieved by 2019 and will cost the nation Rs.62009 crores. This is not a sum that we cannot afford. Will India become a cleaner, healthier and more hygienic nation, less offensive to sight and smell? I didn’t think so then and now it is apparent that the Swachh Bharat campaign has so far been more of a failure than a success.

共有3亿人将受益于“固体废物管理实践”，并计划于2019年实现，耗资62009亿卢比。这不是我们负担不起的金额。印度是否会成为一个更清洁、更健康、更卫生的国家，减少对视觉和嗅觉的刺激？我当时就不这么认为，现在显然清洁印度运动迄今为止更像是失败而不是成功。
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Nevertheless the Prime Minister must be lauded for flagging this as a priority. But intentions are not everything. He did not think of ways to implement his plans. His ambitions were huge. He also promised to build one hundred smart cities with 24X7 drinking water, zero garbage disposal and total solid waste management with full-scale drainage and sewerage systems. A look at East Delhi today will tell you that not little, but nothing has happened in this BJP controlled municipality. It’s the same all over the country. The BJP’s manifesto did rightly promise a hundred new cities because new cities are imperative, as by 2050 India will almost double its present urban population by adding another 450 million.
It is this urbanization that will also be its major driver of economic growth. But even if we find the money where is the public administration to do it? We now have a highly centralized system more suitable to governing India than serving India. The structure of our public administration with its preponderance at the national and state capitals and with a tiny fraction left to interface with citizens at a local level, and even these not being answerable to citizens is at the root of our inability to transform this country. When India became independent, Jawaharlal Nehru advocated disbanding the British inherited civil service and wanted a new system of public administration that will not just preserve order to facilitate extraction, but will drive change and equitable development.

尽管如此，总理必须因将这视为优先事项而受到赞扬。但意图并非一切。他没有考虑如何实施他的计划。他的雄心壮志是巨大的。他还承诺建设100个智慧城市，提供全天候饮用水、零垃圾处理和全面固体废物管理以及完善的排水和下水系统。看看今天的东德里，你会发现在由人民党控制的这个自治市政府中没有发生一点点，而是没有任何改变。全国各地情况都一样。人民党的宣言确实承诺了建设一百个新城市，因为新城市是必不可少的，到2050年，印度的城市人口将几乎增加4.5亿，这也将成为其主要经济增长驱动力。但即使我们找到了资金，公共管理在哪里呢？我们现在有一个高度集中化的系统，更适合治理印度而不是为印度服务。我们的公共管理结构，国家和邦首府占主导地位，留给与地方居民接触的极少一部分，甚至这些人也不需要向公民负责，这是我们无法改变这个国家的根源。
印度独立后，尼赫鲁主张解散英国继承下来的文职体系，并希望建立一个新的公共管理体系，不仅能够维持秩序以促进开采，而且能够推动变革和促进公平发展。

MOHYMENUL ISLAM (Slave of Allah)
Bangladesh is a beautiful country but Capital of Bangladesh most of unhygenic city for living. Also, you may know this is marked as world ranked top city. In Dhaka, Bangladesh air pollution levels eight times higher than the guidelines set by the World Health Organisation. Dhaka's traffic worse. and the water logging problem during the monsoon. Drinking water problem, worries about food safety and different types of seasonal diseases, dengue epidemic, heat chamber in summer, road accidents due to the uneducated driver and people, not clean. A major portion of Dhaka
Dhaka does not meet the minimum standards of a liveable city.

孟加拉国是一个美丽的国家，但孟加拉国首都却是一个最不适合居住的城市。此外，您可能还知道这里是世界排名第一的城市。在达卡，孟加拉国的空气污染水平比世界卫生组织规定的标准高出八倍。达卡的交通状况更加糟糕。饮用水问题、对食品安全的担忧以及各种季节性疾病、登革热疫情、夏季热室、由于司机和人们未受过教育而导致的交通事故、不清洁。达卡的大部分地区
达卡不符合宜居城市的最低标准。

Ollie Marsh
I’d have to say Thailand. But when I say this, i’m talking in particular about Bangkok. Although Thailand is a beautiful country and I had a great time in Bangkok, there is some extreme poverty, the city is choking under its own weight. The city itself is a little smaller than London but with double the population. Smog is is not uncommon there. In some ares, litter ravaged the streets, a stench of cigarettes in the air and some of the biggest rats I have ever seen.
Up North in Chiang Mai, The hostel I stayed in although it had great food, the showers and toilets looked like that scene in Trainspotting and I ended up not having a shower and using a toilet in a much cleaner cafe.
Now I don’t wanna put anyone off visiting because its a great place to visit with some amazing culture and people, its also very cheap to visit but it’s not the cleanest place on earth.

我不得不说泰国。但我说的是曼谷。虽然泰国是一个美丽的国家，我在曼谷也度过了一段美好时光，但这里存在着一些极端贫困的现象，城市的不堪重负让人窒息。这座城市本身比伦敦小一点，但人口却是伦敦的两倍。雾霾在那里并不少见。在一些地区，街道上垃圾遍地，空气中弥漫着一股烟臭味，还有一些我见过的最大的老鼠。
在北部的清迈，我住的旅店虽然饭菜不错，但淋浴间和厕所看起来就像《猜火车》里的场景，最后我没去洗澡，在一家更干净的咖啡馆上了个厕所。
现在，我不想让任何人放弃去那里旅游，因为那里是个旅游的好地方，有令人惊叹的文化和人民，旅游费用也很便宜，但它并不是地球上最干净的地方。
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Nate Poodle
Out of places I have visited and remember, maybe Thailand or Romania. I think they do clear the streets pretty regularly in Thailand, but it got pretty smelly sometimes.
There a lot of tourists, and also a lot of street food stalls in Thai cities. They will be cooking up stir-fries for hours on end and they do not seem to take their trash with them. This is probably a system, and the way they do things though. I think they leave it all out and the local dustcarts come and pick it up at some point. It is bagged, but often seeping out. The rats can be scary too if you brush against the bags by mistake.
There are specific areas that do this. One area for example would be Khao San road. There are entire streets with vendors in them too. A lot of them are food types, so their trash i soften very smelly, and seeping out of the bags.
Romania (Bucharest) was pretty dirty and shabby looking when I visited. I do not know what it is like now.

根据我去过的地方和记忆，可能是泰国或者罗马尼亚。我想泰国他们确实会定期清理街道，但有时会变得相当臭。在泰国的城市里，游客很多，街头也有许多小吃摊。他们会连续几个小时炒菜，但似乎不会带走垃圾。可能这是他们的系统和做事方式。我认为他们把垃圾留在外面，然后当地的垃圾车会过一段时间来清理。垃圾被装在袋子里，但经常会渗出来。如果你不小心碰到袋子，老鼠可能会吓人。有一些特定的区域会这样做，其中一个例子就是考山路。整条街道都有摊位，很多是食品类型，所以他们的垃圾经常非常臭，并且从袋子里渗出来。罗马尼亚（布加勒斯特）在我去的时候看起来非常肮脏和破旧。我不知道现在情况如何。

Burny Izland
Surprisingly, it was Germany! I landed in the Frankfurt airport for a plane change in… maybe 2003 or 2004? And the cigarette smoke INSIDE THE TERMINAL was the worst I have ever experienced in my life, and I was born in the 70s to a family of chain smokers and clubbed as a young person in bars before smoking was banned inside. It was brown, the air itself had this brown haze. Absolutely sickening - literally, as I have bad asthma.
Another thing I saw that surprised me during the same trip was on Crete, in Greece: rows and rows of old shops that looked like they’d been bombed out and they still had all their merchandise in them like the people had just walked away from selling when it happened and never come back. Very dusty, dirty, lots of broken glass. Looked like they’d been there for years like that.

出乎意料的是，是德国！我降落在法兰克福机场转机时......大概是 2003 年还是 2004 年？机场内的香烟烟雾是我一生中经历过的最难闻的烟雾，而我出生于上世纪 70 年代的一个烟民家庭，在机场内禁止吸烟之前，我还是个在酒吧里泡吧的年轻人。那是棕色的，空气本身也是棕色的。简直令人作呕，因为我有严重的哮喘病。
在同一次旅行中，我在希腊克里特岛看到的另一件事也让我大吃一惊：一排排老旧的商店看起来像是被炸毁了，但里面的商品却还在，就像人们在爆炸发生时离开了卖场，再也没有回来。灰尘很多，很脏，有很多碎玻璃。看起来它们在那里已经有很多年了。

Donald Holder
It's been a long, long time (1968 & 1969). But I was only 5 and 6 years old and was stationed in Bangkok, Thailand with my family from The United States. My dad was in The US Air Force and was assigned duty at the US Embassy in Bangkok. It was so drastically different than anyplace else in the world that we'd been to. The Klongs(open sewage and waterways) still being used by locals for bathing, laundry and recreating. Actually my first place I ever saw live, adult nude women. Standing on the sides of the Klongs bathing. Topless as they did laundry on the sides while another watched for wildlife. Poisonous snakes, Crocs, etc. My dad told me at the time. I spent most my time on the Embassy grounds but went to an Indian Ladies Private School across town. The bus trips to and from school where burnt into my memory as scenes I still see today some 50+ years later. I've been all over the world and seen just as bad including The Philippines, Haitie, Domenican Republic and throughtout Mexico on mission trips that are as bad or worse. But my time in Thailand in the late 60’s are the images that are hard to beat.

这是很久很久以前了（1968年和1969年）。但那时我只有5岁和6岁，在泰国曼谷和我的家人一起生活。我爸爸在美国空军服役，被派驻到曼谷的美国大使馆工作。那里与我们去过的其他任何地方都截然不同。当地人仍然在Klongs（露天下水道和水路）中洗澡、洗衣服和娱乐。实际上，那是我看到活生生的成年裸体女性的第一次地方。站在Klongs的边上洗澡。她们边在水边洗衣服，另一个人则在旁边观察野生动物。毒蛇、鳄鱼等。那时我爸爸告诉我。我大部分时间都在大使馆的院子里度过，但去了市区的一所印度女子私立学校。我乘坐校车去学校和回家的路程在我的记忆中留下了很深刻的印象，50多年后的今天我仍然能够清晰地看到那些场景。我去过世界各地，见过的情况也不比这好，包括菲律宾、海地、多米尼加共和国以及在墨西哥进行的救援行动等。但在60年代末的泰国度过的时光是最难以忘怀的画面。