网友讨论：华为手机突破美国制裁
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网友讨论：华为手机突破美国制裁
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网友讨论：华为手机突破美国制裁
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The US should compete instead of using sanctions and coercion to defeat its competitors. China's spirit, which refuses to give up or give in, is admirable. Well done Huawei.
美国应该用竞争的方式来击溃自己的竞争对手，而不应该使用制裁和胁迫等手段。中国不放弃，不屈服的精神让人感到钦佩。干得好，华为
But you need to agree that Taiwan is still ahead with their advanced 2nm chips!
但你必须承认台湾凭借先进的2纳米制程芯片依然保持领先地位。
@louisemann3306 these people think that china will never catch up.
这些人认为中国永远会处于落后地位。
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“Discovering a Kirin chip using SMIC's 7nm (N+2) foundry process in the new Huawei Mate 60 Pro smartphone demonstrates the technical progress China's semiconductor industry has been able to make without EUV lithography tools,” said Dan Hutcheson, Vice Chair of TechInsights.
TechInsight的副主席Dan Hutcheson表示：华为Mate 60 Pro智能手机的麒麟芯片采用的是中芯国际7纳米（N+2）的代工工艺，这显示了中国半导体行业在没有EUV光刻机的情况下也能取得的技术进步。（TechInsight是全球著名的半导体行业观察机构）
That's a big blow for US since the new Huawei phone does not use any components from US companies. That means US's sanction is now hurting itself. Chinese companies will not believe so-called free trade with US anymore and will do their best to stay away from US suppliers. Huawei designed new CPU, GPU and 5G chips and all are made-by-China. Huawei also developed Harmoney OS for the phone. The operating system is quickly expending to PCs, servers, auto industries... Huawei even developed EDA software, and CRM, ERP software packages. Huawei has done and achieved a lot in the recent 3 years. Huawei's new phone is a real testament for China's self-reliance and R&D capability, is an important milestone for China's electronics industry.
这对于美国来说是一个巨大的打击，因为华为的新手机没有使用任何美国企业的零部件。这意味着美国的制裁现在正对自己造成伤害。中国企业将不会相信和美国之间还会有什么所谓的自由贸易，他们将会尽可能的远离美国的供应商。华为设计出了新的CPU，GPU，和5G芯片，所有一切都是中国制造。华为还为手机研发出了鸿蒙操作系统。该操作系统正迅速扩展到个人电脑，服务器和汽车行业，，，华为设计还研发了EDA软件，CRM和ERP软件包。华为在过去3年做了很多，取得了很多的成就。华为的新手机是中国自力更生和研发能力的一种证明，也是中国电子工业的重要里程碑。
The chips are 2 generations behind. They're from Taiwan.
这些芯片落后两代，它们来自于台湾
Those are Chinese chips they are 5 years behind 5nm but then they are still good enough to challenge the latest phones and that's all that matters. Because 5 years ago China had almost no chip making foundries... Now they are only behind Taiwan
这些是中国芯片，它们和5纳米芯片之间还有5年差距，但是它们依然足以挑战最新的手机，这才是最重要的。因为五年前，中国几乎没有自己的芯片制造厂，而现在它们只落后于台湾地区
@DW-op7ly CPU and 5G speed is on par with iPhone 14. Mate60 also has satellite calling capability that no other phone has. How is that 5 years behind? Nobody thought Huawei would breakthrough the US sanctions this soon.
Mate60手机上的CPU和5G速度和苹果14相当。而且它还具有卫星通话的能力，这是其他手机所没有的。所以怎么会落后5年呢？没有人能够想到华为能够那么快突破美国的制裁。
The Huawei Mate 60 has the same capability as phones that run on Snapdragon 888. There's nothing cutting edge about this phone. In fact it's dated. These chips (from Taiwan)were most likely the same chips that China hoarded just before the sanctions.
华为mate60的性能和搭载了骁龙888的手机差不多。这款手机一点都不高端。事实上，可以说已经过时了。这些芯片很有可能是制裁前中国囤积的芯片（来自于台湾地区）
@patrickt49 which other phone has satellite call capability?
还有那款手机具有卫星通话功能
The satellite communication techno with Huawei mate 6 pro is more revolutional, different from Elon Musk Star Chain which is to lix up satellite 1000 km away from earth, Huawei mobile phone is to lix 3 satellites 36,000 KM away and able to make phonecall to anyone on the earth plannet. This techno might be 6G technology in the future.
华为mate60 pro的卫星通话技术更具革命性，这项技术和马斯克的星链技术不同，星链连接的是距离地球1000公里的卫星，而华为手机连接的是距离地球36000公里远的三颗卫星，可以给地球上的任何人打电话。这项技术或许会成为未来的6G技术
@patrickt49 they on track to sell more than 20 million mate60. So how could they have stockpiled that many chips before the sanctions.
华为mate60有望卖出2000万台。所以他们在制裁之前怎么可能囤积那么多的芯片。
@bobdoe38 So they may be closing the gap by stealing IP.
所以他们可能是通过窃取知识产权缩小了差距。
@patrickt49 The strength of this phone is its satellite phone technology. Secondly, this has nothing to do with Taiwan, it is produced by ZTE.
这款手机的优势在于它的卫星通话技术。其次，这款手机和台湾一点关系都没有，它是由中芯国际制造的。
India also needs to develop its chip industry
印度也需要发展芯片产业
I don't think India's top priority right now is trying to develop high-end manufacturing. What India should do most is to introduce labor-intensive industries, convert a large number of agricultural populations into industrial populations, accumulate enough capital, and then slowly progress towards high-end manufacturing.
我认为印度现在的首要任务不是发展高端制造业。印度现在最应该做的是引进劳动密集型产业，将大量的农业人口转变为工业人口，积累足够的资本，然后再慢慢向高端制造业迈进。
Then word of advice to india. Buy those EUV machines right now, as many as you can. Because the moment it looks like India is going to overtake the US in chipmaking, it will be sanctioned too.
给印度提供一些建议。印度应该现在去买EUV光刻机，买的越多越好。因为一旦印度在芯片制造领域有了超过美国的苗头，就会遭到美国的制裁。
Sanctions can they deny china from entering International space station. Now they have their own. Micro chips they have their own
制裁确实可以让中国无法进入国际空间站，但是他们现在有了自己的空间站。而且还有了自己的微芯片。
The U.S never understand how smart Chinese are, learn some lessons from Korean war.
美国永远不知道中国人有多么聪明，他们怎么就不吸取一下朝鲜战争的教训呢。
hhhh US always trying to keep others countries from being successful so the US can dominate the markets but they seem to have underestimated China AGAIN
为了能够主导市场，美国总是试图阻止其他国家取得成功，但是他们似乎再次低估了中国。
now they will sell the advance chips to NK, russia, Iran, so the american enemies can improve their tech
他们将会向朝鲜俄罗斯伊朗出售先进芯片，如此一来美国的敌人们的技术也将会获得提高。
I heard that the Kirin 9000 chip put in these phones was made in Taiwan.
我听说这些手机里面的麒麟9000芯片都是台湾制造的
no China makes it themselves. SMIC made this chip not TSMC
不这是中国自己制造的，是中芯国际制造的，不是台积电
Kirin 9000s
是麒麟9000S
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back in 2020, 9000 was, now its 9000s
麒麟9000是2020年的产品，现在是麒麟9000S
No. Taiwan doesn't have the balls to say no to US.
不，台湾地区没有胆子违抗美国的命令
9000 made by tsmc but 9000s by smic....
麒麟9000是台积电制造的，但麒麟9000S是中芯国际制造的
The Kirin 9000 is indeed made by TSMC. However, this is the Kirin 9000S, this CPU uses the A510 architecture, the A510 was released in 2021, and the TSMC stopped producing chips for Huawei in 2020.
麒麟9000确实是台积电制造的，但是现在这款芯片是麒麟9000S，它的CPU使用的是2021年发布的A510架构，而台积电在2020年就已经停止为华为生产芯片了