网友讨论：为什么日本人口依然在减少
Why Japan’s Population Is Still Declining - Japanese interview
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网友：有趣的是不管是什么地方的人似乎都面临着同样的问题。所有一切都在变得越来越贵，而工资却一直没有上涨，而因此人们只能将建立家庭这样的事情搁置到一边了，因为仅仅是要养活自己就已经很困难了。世界很多地方都有这样的问题，包括美国。
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网友讨论：为什么日本人口依然在减少
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it's interesting we are all facing similar issues regardless of where you are from. everything's getting expensive, wages aren't going up, and as a result things like starting a family get pushed to the side because it's a struggle just to support yourself. Those same issues are happening in so many places around the world including the US.
有趣的是不管是什么地方的人似乎都面临着同样的问题。所有一切都在变得越来越贵，而工资却一直没有上涨，而因此人们只能将建立家庭这样的事情搁置到一边了，因为仅仅是要养活自己就已经很困难了。世界很多地方都有这样的问题，包括美国。
Yes, and a big part of the problem is mass immigration. It’s making Americans compete against foreigners and driving down wages, raising home prices, etc.
是的，很大一部分问题来自于大规模的外来移民。这使得美国人不得不和外国人进行竞争，外来移民的到来压低了工资，提高了这里的房价
kiwe3546 disagree entirely. most of the jobs that immigrants are getting in the US are jobs that Americans aren't taking to begin with. The real issue is big corporations outsourcing jobs like manufacturing and tech support to other companies in foreign countries. it's not the people that immigrated here that are stealing jobs, its greedy corporations taking jobs away from the US because they can pay those in other countries less money.
完全不能同意你的看法。外来移民干的那些工作中，绝大部分是美国人自己一开始就不愿意干的。真正的问题是大企业将制造业和技术支持等工作都外包给了国外的其他企业。偷走美国人工作的不是外来移民，是那些贪婪的美国企业，因为他们可以用更少的钱让国外的劳动力给他们干活。
@kiwe3546 Lmao they do the work that Americans don’t want to do.
哈哈，他们做的都是美国人不愿意做的工作
@kiwe3546 and home prices are skyrocketing because of greedy corporations buying them up as investment. look up who's buying all the real estate, it's investment firms and other Americans buying them up to rent or flip for profit. regular Americans can't afford homes because of greed from fellow citizens, not because of foreigners.
房价上涨是因为贪婪的企业将购买房地产作为了投资的手段。只要查一下你就会知道购买房地产的都是那些投资企业和其他的美国人，他们将房子买下来通过出租或者转手来赚取利润。普通美国人买不起房子不是因为外国人，而是因为我们贪婪的那些同胞。
@fluxuation87 Without mass immigration, those jobs “Americans won’t do” would pay more, and Americans would be doing them.
如果没有大规模的外来移民，那么美国人不愿意干的那些工作的薪资待遇将会变得更高，而在这些工作的薪资待遇上去后，美国人就不会再嫌弃这些工作。
@angelgomez7081 Americans would do them if immigrants weren’t driving down the wages.
如果不是移民压低了工资的话，那么美国人是愿意做这些工作的
@fluxuation87 in Canada, many Chinese investors are buying property here and we let in sooo many immigrants, we are now 40 million in Canada, many don't have a place to live
很多中国投资者在购买加拿大的房地产，进入加拿大的外来移民实在是太多了，我们加拿大现在已经有4000万人了，很多人连住的地方都没有
I don't think it's an issue of things getting expensive, it's just that children are a economic negative. In the past, when most people were farmers, you could expect your children to provide help for you later in life and having a lot of children meant having a lot of providers.
我认为问题不在于物价上升，问题在于孩子现在只会对个人经济造成负面影响。在过去，大部分人都是农民，你可以期望你的孩子在以后的生活中为你提供帮助，如果你生了很多的孩子，那么就意味着将来会有很多人可以为你提供帮助。
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The way I look at it, Japan already has too many people and it is causing issues with overcrowding. They have something like 125 million ethnic Japanese in Japan, more than many other nations in fact. Decreasing the population isn't a bad thing for future resources.
在我看来，日本人口已经非常多了，过多的人口造成了过度拥挤的问题。日本大约有1.25亿人，实际上比很多国家的人口都要多。从未来资源的角度来说，人口减少其实并不是一件坏事。
I feel it in Europe as well.
我觉得欧洲也有这些问题
Things are not so expensive in Japan.
日本的东西并没有那么贵
Recently, there have been many crimes committed by foreigners in Japan, and it seems that Japanese people discriminate against foreign men and use violence against them.
But Japanese people are kind to foreign women.
最近在日本发生了很多外国人犯罪事件，日本人似乎歧视外国男人，并且还会对他们使用暴力
但是日本人对外国女人很友好
I think the reason for the declining birthrate in Japan may be the imbalance between work and life. Many Japanese people who are married sometimes prioritize work too much and tend to get divorced because of that. I think if we improve the work culture, it’ll create more stability for families. If people have to work overtime, I think they should get paid more so then they can provide stability for their family a lot easier.
我认为日本出生率下降的原因或许是因为工作和生活之间不平衡。很多结了婚的日本人有时候会把工作放在首位，而结果是往往是因此而导致离婚。我认为如果我们可以改善工作文化，那么我们就能营造出更加稳定的家庭环境。如果不得不加班的话，那么我认为我们应该给予他们更多的报酬，这样他们才能更加轻松的为家庭提供稳定的生活。
I've been to Japan many times and learned the attitude of many of the Japanese people towards these many issues. I also engaged in conversations where I heard that children would be a burden towards getting on with work and career. I must say that I consider this an unfortunate attitude. Both your government and your employers should do everything possible to help with your family life because your children are future. Here in Europe new parents get a lot of paid leave and especially mothers get a lot of support from employers. I feel that all of you Japanese people should definitely demand more support from your leaders and employers.
我去过日本很多次，也了解过很多日本人对这些问题的态度。我还和他们进行过对话，他们在交流中和我说孩子会成为工作和事业的负担。我必须要说的是，这种态度真的令人感到遗憾。你们的政府和雇主应该尽一切可能来帮助你们的家庭生活，因为你们的孩子就是未来。在欧洲刚刚生了孩子的父母可以获得很多的带薪假期，尤其是妈妈们会得到雇主的很多支持。我认为你们所有日本人都应该向你们领导和雇主要求获得更多的支持
Thanks for your video. We`ve been living in Tokyo for 8 years and we see the problem that you talk about. Wages have not been increasing for the past 20 years, but taxes and inflation have increased. This means that real wages have decreased. We are considering leaving in the near future as we expect inflation to further increase and wages to continue to remain flat. This means it would be hard for foreigners to actually retire in Japan after moving here as there is a high likelihood of entering a poverty trap in future.
感谢你的视频。我们已经在东京生活了八年，我们看到了你所说的这些问题。过去20年工资一直都没有增加，但是税收和通货膨胀却一直在上升。这意味着真正的工资实际上是在减少。我们正在考虑不久的将来离开日本，因为我们预计通货膨胀将会进一步上升，而工资将会继续保持一动不动。这意味着，外国人移居日本之后将很难在日本退休，因为我们未来很有可能会陷入到贫困陷阱之中。
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I think this isn’t just an issue in Japan, but a challenge faced by many developed countries.
As a Japanese person myself, it seems to me like a lot of people here in Japan are pretty set against accepting immigrants from other countries. I can understand that, but the problem is that they just say no without suggesting any solution...
我认为这不仅仅是日本的问题，很多发达国家同样也面临着这样的挑战。
作为一个日本人，在我看来，似乎很多日本人都很反对接受外来移民。我可以理解他们的想法，但是问题在于他们只会反对，而无法提出一个有效的方案。
It's an issue in other developed countries too but the difference is Japan's elderly population is growing at a much faster rate and other developed countries (like Canada and Australia) can attract a lot of immigrants, so the decline is not as severe as Japan's.
其他发达国家同样也有这样的问题，但不同之处在于日本老年人口增长速度要快很多，而其他发达国家（比如加拿大和澳大利亚）可以吸引大量的外来移民，所以人口下滑的情况没有日本那么严重。
Migration is not the solution. If kids are not affordable, it‘ll never change.
移民不是解决之道。如果养育孩子的成本一直都那么高的话，那么这个问题永远都得不到解决。
@dreadogastusf3548 Japan’s birth rate is actually pretty good compared to other developed countries. It’s just that Japan doesn’t let in a lot of immigrants. If you see the birth rate of the pure native people, most developed countries are worse than Japan.
和其他发达国家相比，日本的出生率实际上相当不错。只不过日本不允许大量移民进入而已。如果不将外来移民出生率统计在内的话，大部分发达国家的出生率其实还不如日本。
Korea is not a "developed country" but we r already facing similar problems. The lowest birth rate after Monaco?
@JorgeIgnacioCisnerosSaldana
They work so hard there is no time to make babies.
他们工作太努力了，没有时间生孩子
It's a challenge most severely faced by Asian countries, and in fact Chinese and south Koreans have it much worse than Japanese. There are declining populations in western countries but nowhere near as severe as in Asia.
这是亚洲国家面临的最严峻的挑战，事实上，中国和韩国的问题要比日本严重的多，西方国家的人口虽然也在下降，但是远远没有亚洲那么严重。
Japan needs diversity. Let more blacks in!
日本需要多样化。日本应该允许让更多黑人移民日本。
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But among developed countries, Japan is the only one where the wages are stuck since the middle 90’s. All others keep raising them.
但是在所有发达国家中，日本是唯一一个自90年代中期以来工资一直停滞不前的国家。除日本外，所有发达国家的工资一直都在上升。