QA问答：富人真的比穷人吃得好吗？
Do affluent people really eat better than people that are poor?
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我永远不会忘记这件事，记忆中一切彷如昨日。
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Do affluent people really eat better than people that are poor?
富人真的比穷人吃得好吗？
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I will never forget this and I remember it like it was yesterday.
It was 1981 and I was a starving college student, literally starving. I had just gotten on food stamps and was still buying Pilchard, a disgusting tuna substitute that was much cheaper than tuna. I lived on unbranded peanut butter and saltines many days. In those days you could even get generic corn flakes.
I had a friend who was rich, drove a 280Z to school every day, yada, yada, yada. Invited me to dinner with his folks one day. A free meal!!! I was good to go. It turns out they weren’t expecting me, his mom and dad were sitting in their cluttered kitchen with dirty pots and pans on the stove, steam coming off them, but they invited me to sit with them and eat catch-as-catch-can with them.
I put the fork in my mouth. My head nearly exploded.
It was the most incredible thing I could ever remember eating and this was their “average” dinner together. I couldn’t even imagine what their “real” meals were like. The mother loaded me up with leftovers. They gave me a bottle of Welch’s White Grape Juice. I had never in my life had anything like Welch’s White Grape Juice. It cost almost 5 dollars for a small bottle in 1981. In 1981, 5 dollars was almost my entire weekly food budget. Welch’s White Grape Juice might as well have been gold because I could never afford it on the best day of my life. Nowadays it’s nothing special but back then I was staggered by it.
So yes, compared to poor people, the quality and preparation of food by rich people is not just on another planet, it’s in another galaxy.
我永远不会忘记这件事，记忆中一切彷如昨日。
那是1981年，那时，我还是一个饥饿的大学生，真的很饿。我刚拿到食品券，还在买沙丁鱼，一种比金枪鱼便宜得多的，恶心的金枪鱼替代品。很多时候，我都需要依靠无品牌的花生酱和苏打饼干生活。那样的日子里，你有时候还得买点无商标的玉米片。
我有一个朋友很有钱，每天开着280Z 来上学，诸如此类。有一天，他邀请我和他的家人一起共进晚餐。一顿免费的饭！！！我非常高兴可以去。
事实证明，他的家人没想到会多一个我。他的父母坐在他们杂乱的厨房里，炉子上放着脏的锅碗瓢盆，蒸汽从他们身上冒出来，但他们邀请我和他们坐在一起，和他们一起吃有什么做什么的晚餐。
我把叉子放进嘴里。我的脑袋差点爆炸。这是我记忆中吃过的最不可思议的东西，对他们而言，却是非常“一般的”晚餐。我无法想象，他们“真正”的饭菜是什么样子的。
他母亲给我打包了很多剩菜。他们给了我一瓶韦尔奇白葡萄汁。我这辈子从来没有吃过像韦尔奇白葡萄汁这样的东西。1981年，一小瓶要将近5美元。1981年，5美元几乎是我每周的全部食物预算。韦尔奇的白葡萄汁可能是金子，因为在我一生中最美好的日子里，我永远买不起。现在没什么特别的，但当时我有被它震惊到。
所以，是的，与穷人的相比，富人的食物的质量和配置品，不仅不在一个星球上，甚至不在一个星系。
I was raised in the south of Europe, there is always a great importance for food, but I noticed that as my standard grew, I spent more than twice as much on food. Same foods, same quantities, just better quality. I’m not a snob, but expensive cheese, wine and prosciutto are much tastier than cheap ones
我在欧洲南部长大，食物总是一件极为被重视的事情。但我注意到，随着我生活水平的提高，我在食物上的花费增加了一倍多。
同样的食物，同样的数量，只是质量更好。我不是势利小人，但昂贵的奶酪、葡萄酒和火腿比便宜的要美味得多。
Absolutely. I am poor right now and the thing I miss most about not being poor is quality food. So much more enjoyable and healthier, too.
对极了。我现在很穷，我最怀念的是：不缺乏优质食物。更令人愉快、更健康。
I hope you manage to solve the problems and get out of poverty! I wish you success from the bottom of my heart! good luck!
我希望你设法解决问题，摆脱贫困！我发自内心地祝你成功！祝你好运！
Me too but eating well is the last thing on my mind now. I just want something healthy to eat then I am happy. I grew up in poverty so hope to change it soon. I need to get out of poverty and bring a pauper first before thinking about what to eat. But luckily I learned how to eat decently well for less money. Cooking at home is always best. It is healthier and you save lots of money. You can eat well with less money if you can cook yourself.
我也是，但现在我最不想的就是吃得好。我只想吃点健康的东西，然后我就很开心了。我在贫穷中长大，所以希望很快能改变贫穷的状态。在考虑吃什么之前，我需要先摆脱缺乏和依靠救济度日的状态。
但幸运的是，我学会了如何用更少的钱吃得很好。在家做饭总是最好的。它更健康，而且可以节省很多钱。如果你能自己做饭，你可以用更少的钱吃得很好。
The food rule:
… poor = quantity
… middle = value
… upper = presentation
食物法则：
贫穷=数量
中产=划算程度
上流=展示
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That is us: Value. My husband is a retired board certified medical doctor, and OB/gyn physician surgeon with a solo private practice. He retired in 2014 at age sixty-six. I am four years younger than my husband, college educated, and better off financially than my husband is. We have separate finances. We both have our separate legal affair in order as well. Neither one of us has any debt of any kind. We live in my small home, have a very simple life, go daily to the gym, watch our diet carefully. We drive only one car a Honda. I prefer to cook myself. I don't like eating out. I do not trust their hygiene standards. A couple times a week we stop at Walmart on our way from the gym to get our groceries. We are daily at the gym from 5 to 7 a.m. We decline social diners we get invited. We prefer to live with humility in our private cocoon.
我们就是如此：划算程度。
我丈夫是一名退休的委员会认证医生，也是一名单独私人执业的妇产科医生。他于2014年退休，当时他66岁。
我比我丈夫小四岁，受过大学教育，经济状况比我丈夫好。我们有各自的经济状况。我们也有各自的法律事务。我们都没有任何债务。我们住在我的小家里，过着非常简单的生活，每天去健身房，仔细观察我们的饮食。我们只开一辆本田汽车。
我更喜欢自己做饭。我不喜欢在外面吃饭。我不相信他们的卫生标准。每周，我们从健身房出发，会在沃尔玛停下来购买杂货。我们每天早上5点到7点在健身房。我们拒绝那些邀请我们的社交用餐。我们更愿意在自己的私人茧房中谦逊地生活。
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One of the greatest and simplest things my mom does is cook at home. I prefer to stay home and enjoy the richness of her cooking rather than go to a restaurant. Her husband died of dementia, so I moved in with her and she decided to move in her grandson. He is autistic. One of the greatest joys of my life! We are not rich, nor are we poor, but we live a very simple humble life. I appreciate your comments!
Enjoy Life!
我妈妈做的最伟大、最简单的事情之一就是在家做饭。我宁愿呆在家里享受她丰富的烹饪，也不愿去餐馆。她的丈夫死于痴呆症，所以我搬来和她一起住，她决定把孙子一起搬过来，他患有自闭症。这是我一生中最大的快乐之一！我们不富裕，也不贫穷，但我们过着非常简单而谦逊的生活。我感谢你的评论！享受生活！
“Better off financially than my husband” is such a weird thing for me to read. Not knocking your lifestyle; to each their own, but my wife’s finances are my finances and vise-versa. Whatever happens to her financially happens to me just as well.
May I inquire as to why you keep your finances separate? Is it in preparation for possible separation, or…?
“经济状况比我丈夫好”
对我来说，这读起来很奇怪。不是想影响你的生活方式，每个人都有自己的生活方式，但我妻子的财务就是我的财务，反之亦然。无论她在经济上发生了什么，都是在我身上发生。
我可以问一下，你为什么把财务分开吗？是在为可能的分离做准备，还是……？
I came into this marriage with my very own seven figure financial assets, and other investments. As well as with my very own free and clear home and car. Why would I want to mix finances? . Neither one of us is poor. I have my own financial planner/advisor, estate planning attorney, trust , CPA . I file taxes separately that of my husband. I have zero debt of any kind. A credit score of over 810. We live in my small, minimalist, uncluttered, clean home. I paid $239.000 cash for it in 2006. We both contribute to everything concerning our household. It's the right thing to do. I too pay bills here at home. I also requested a prenuptial agreement so that our assets are entirely separate. My husband totally agreed to having my financial assets protected. He is an ethical person. At the time, he was practicing medicine, as an OB/gyn physician surgeon in a solo practice. Even though he had insurance, I still wanted to protect my financial assets. My estate planning attorney advised me as well to do so. The only way to ensure a piece of mind is to be legally protected. This is our second marriage. Different circumstances that of first marriages of most people. I prefer to having total control of my finances. It's a smart thing to do to avoid problems. Most people are reluctant to seek and attorney and get things in order. Then, there are problems that costs your children money, time, disappointment etc. My husband's two adult children, and my only adult daughter are all very busy professionals raising their own families. We don't want to burden them with legal problems if we mix our finances. We are very functional people and proactive with our life. We are a successful marriage because we think alike. We both are frugal. We live with humility and without an ego. You cannot create weath by spending the money you haven't earned. I cook at home. Buy our groceries at Walmart. We clean our home ourselves. We cut our own hair. We don't go on those silly cruises, or expensive vacations. We stay away from restaurants because they are too expensive. Life is about the choices YOU make. We don't drive luxury cars. We only have one car, since we are retired. My husband sold his Kia Sportage when he retired in 2014. My car is a Honda CR-V. I could buy a luxury car, but that would be stupid, wouldn't it?
我带着自己七位数的金融资产和其他投资步入了这段婚姻。还有我自己的自由和干净的家和车。我为什么要混合财务？我们俩都不穷。我有自己的财务规划师/顾问、房地产规划律师、信托公司、注册会计师。我和我丈夫分别报税。我没有任何债务。信用评分超过810分。
我们住在我的小、简约、整洁、干净的家里。我在2006年花了239.000美元买了它。我们俩都为家里的每件事出力。这是正确的做法。我也在家里付账。我还要求签订婚前协议，这样我们的资产就完全分开了。我丈夫完全同意保护我的金融资产。他是一个有道德的人。
当时，他正在行医，是一名单独执业的妇产科医生和外科医生。即使他有保险，我仍然想保护我的金融资产。我的房地产规划律师也建议我这样做。确保这个想法得到法律保护是唯一的方法。
这是我们的第二次婚姻。与大多数人的初婚情况不同。我更喜欢完全控制自己的财务。这是避免问题的明智之举。大多数人不愿意咨询律师，也不愿意把事情安排好。然后，有一些问题会让你的孩子付出金钱、时间、失望等代价。我丈夫的两个成年孩子和我唯一的成年女儿，都是非常忙碌的专业人士，需要抚养自己的家庭。如果我们混合财务，可能给他们带来法律问题的负担，我们不想这样。
我们是非常能干的人，积极主动地对待我们的生活。我们的婚姻之所以成功，是因为我们的想法相同。我们都很节俭。我们生活在谦逊中，不会过于自我。你不能通过花你没有赚到的钱来制造财富。我在家做饭。在沃尔玛买我们的食品杂货。我们自己打扫我们的家。我们自己剪头发。我们不去那些愚蠢的游轮旅行，也不去那些昂贵的度假。我们远离餐馆，因为它们太贵了。生活就是你做出的选择。我们不开豪车。我们只有一辆车，因为我们已经退休了。我丈夫在2014年退休时卖掉了他的起亚Sportage。我的车是本田CR-V。我可以买一辆豪华车，但那太愚蠢了，不是吗？
This sounds miserable. My former brother-in-laws father recently died. He lived in a tiny junk house and drove the same vehicle for many years. He ALWAYS saved money.
My brother-in-law inherited the bulk of his assets. Brother in laws new wife is currently in a cash spending frenzy.
The dead guy could have lived much better but he wasted the opportunity for …nothing! His money is truly being wasted now.
What are you are planning ahead for? You are actually short sighted. You can't take it with you.
“We live with humility and without an ego. You cannot create weath by spending the money you haven't earned.”
You live with humility?
Humility- a modest or low view of one's own importance.
Honestly, much of your comment sounds like a brag.
In your next breath you talk about creating “wealth”. That's not humility. It sounds like greed.
You guys aren't at the “creating wealth” stage of life. Surely you know that. How much is enough?
I'm not saying to waste your money, but it's not excessive to live well, enjoy life, eat good food and go on nice vacations. It sounds like you are obsessed with the accumulation on money.
6 Unhealthy Signs That You’re Obsessed with Money
If you don’t stop it, it can ruin your life.
这听起来很惨。我以前的姐夫，他的父亲最近去世了，他住在一个小破房子里，多年来一直开着同一辆车。他总是存钱。
我姐夫继承了他的大部分资产。姐夫的新婚妻子目前正处于现金消费狂潮中。
这个死去的家伙本可以活得更好，但他浪费了这个机会……什么都没有！他的钱现在真的被浪费了。
你打算干什么？你实际上是短视的。你带不走它。
“我们生活在谦逊中，不会过于自我。你不能通过花你没有挣到的钱来制造财富。”
你生活在谦逊中？
谦逊：对自己的重要性的谦虚或低调的看法。
老实说，你的大部分评论听起来像是在吹牛。
下一次你会谈论如何创造“财富”。这不是谦逊。这听起来像是贪婪。
你们并没有处于人生的“创造财富”阶段。你当然知道这一点。多少钱才足够？
我不是说，要你浪费你的钱，但过得好、享受生活、吃得好、度假并不过分。听起来你似乎痴迷于金钱的积累。
链接：6个你沉迷于金钱的不健康迹象，如果你不阻止它，它会毁了你的生活。
When you are really poor. Tortillas and peanut butter. Rice and beans. Great nutrition. Just gotta add a couple eggs a week for complete amino acids. Protein minerals vitamins fiber.
当你真的很穷的时候。吃玉米卷、花生酱、米饭、豆子，它们营养丰富。每周只需要再添加几个鸡蛋，就可以获得完整的氨基酸、蛋白质、矿物质、维生素、纤维。
I remember being a poor student, but not as poor as some. However, as a mature student who’d learned budget cooking when I had poor paying jobs, I taught many students to cook delicious, nutritious cheap and healthy food. Excellent dals, spiced chickpeas, hummus, fried rices and yes, add the odd egg for protein. Get a Ninja Foodi or Insta pot and you can pressure cook the cheapest cuts of meat for soups, stews, ragus.
我记得，当我还是一个穷学生的时候，但没有有些人那么穷。然而，作为一个成熟的学生，当我有低收入的工作时，我学会了预算烹饪，我教了许多学生烹饪美味、营养、便宜、健康的食物。
美味的豆角、五香鹰嘴豆、鹰嘴豆泥、炒饭，当然，还可以加一个鸡蛋来补充蛋白质。买一个Ninja Foodi 或压力锅，你可以用压力烹饪最便宜的肉块来做汤、炖菜和肉块。
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Many people never learn to cook, so they don’t know how to eat well on a low budget, You have taught them skills for life.
很多人从来没有学过做饭，所以他们不知道如何在低预算下吃得好，你教会了他们终身的技能。
Yup and my late mom taught me that but sadly spoiled her sons so her sons can not cook a decent meal even if their life depended on it.
是的，我已故的妈妈教会了我这一点，但遗憾的是，她宠坏了她的儿子，所以她的儿子们，即使生活依赖于这顿饭，也不能做一顿像样的饭。
We have found that increasing quality is actually cheaper as the months tick by. By sourcing more meat and veggies locally, we are able to shop higher quality at the same budget.
我们发现，随着时间的推移，提高质量实际上更便宜。通过在当地采购更多的肉类和蔬菜，我们能够在相同的预算下购买更高质量的产品。
Yup, and it’s certainly true that wealthier people have more options than poor people.
是的，当然，富人比穷人有更多的选择。
Since I started eating a diet of mostly veggies with some fruits (no snacks) my family has been saving lots of money at the grocery store. We also waste less.
自从我开始主要吃蔬菜和一些水果（没有零食）以来，我的家人在杂货方面攒了很多钱。我们也减少了浪费。
That is interesting. We, 2 vegetarians for over 20 years, do not find ourselves saving that much in comparison to non vegetarian friends. Quality veggies and fruits are costly. Apples, oranges, strawberries, grapes and nuts are our primary dessert/snack items. If you get decent ones, they are far, far from cheap. When we buy organic, the cost is even higher. Especially when they cannot be bought in bulk (except nuts, beans and rice) because the veggies and fruits wont keep. This means we must include more frequent trips to the store for shopping. We continue to eat this way because we can afford it and absolutely have seen, when combined with decent levels of physical activity, many positive physical and mental health benefits. Good on you though. Changing to healthier eating habits is always a worthwhile step to be applauded!
这很有趣。作为20多年的素食主义者，我们发现自己与非素食的朋友相比并没有节省那么多钱。优质蔬菜和水果价格昂贵。
苹果、桔子、草莓、葡萄和坚果是我们的主要甜点/小吃。如果你买了像样的，它们一点也不便宜。当我们购买有机食品时，成本甚至更高。尤其是当它们不能大量购买时（坚果、豆类和大米除外），因为蔬菜和水果无法保存。这意味着我们必须更频繁地去商店购物。我们继续这样吃是因为我们负担得起，而且是因为已经看到，当素食与适当的体育活动相结合时，有许多积极的有利于身心健康的益处。不过这对你很好。改变为更健康的饮食习惯，总是值得称赞的一步！
As a vegetarian, this is no longer the case. Vegetables and fruit have risen in costs along with everything else. When one orange is 2.50 at Luckys, not much less at the Farmers Market, it is still cheaper to get a large bag of chips for kids snacks rather than spend 10 bucks on four oranges or grapes. A poor person does not have the option to price shop and go to different markets. Often a car, insurance and gas are not within their financial reach. Truly poor people are limited to what is available closest to home, sometimes limited to where you can walk to and what you can carry. The quality and prices at inner city groceries do not reflect the quality or variety available.
Putting together a healthy, nutritious plant based or plant heavy diet is not simple or cheap. Additionally, more veggies and fruits in the diet, the more often one must be able to get out and shop! Fresh food is just that, it does not keep. There are indeed, reasons the poor resort to often overpriced, poor quality, less nutritious foods.
I think many here simply do not really understand what it means to be poor. The challenges the poor struggle with including transportation, lack of decent groceries near by, the high prices by unscrupulous owners of local small groceries, even the power to preserve and prepare food (the truly poor can not always pay utility bills) are daily stressors that impact choices. We are most fortunate to have our viewpoint, but these are based on our own experiences or reading or films, for the most part. Unfortunately, it is quite different from understanding what those who are truly poor are up against. Hence, we say things like,”they have no reason not to buy carrots, peas, onions”, etc. Which, btw, most poor people likely do buy.
The struggle for the poor, a legitimate one, is how to eat healthy (or at all), yet manage every aspect of your life, every day, on a poverty level budget. We are looking at only one aspect, diet. That is a problem. Being poor sucks big time! Poor people simply do not have the options ! We need to acknowledge that fact.
作为一个素食主义者，现在已经不是这样了。蔬菜和水果的价格和其他东西一样上涨了。
当一个橙子在Luckys的价格是2.50美元，在农贸市场的价格也不低时，买一大袋薯片作为零食，仍然比花10美元买四个橙子或葡萄更便宜。
穷人没有办法选择去折扣商店和去不同的市场。通常情况下，汽车、保险和汽油，都不在他们的财务预算范围内。真正的穷人被限制在离家最近的地方，有时被限制在你可以步行去的地方和你可以随身携带的东西。市中心杂货店的质量和价格，并不能反映所有人可用的质量或种类。
将健康、营养的植物性饮食结合起来既不简单也不便宜。此外，饮食中蔬菜和水果越多，人们就越需要经常外出购物！新鲜的食物就是这样，它不能保存。事实上，穷人购买价格过高、质量差、营养不足的食物是有原因的。
我想，这里的许多人，根本不明白贫穷意味着什么。穷人面临的挑战包括交通、附近缺乏像样的食品杂货店、当地小食品杂货无良店主的高昂价格，甚至保存和准备食物的权力（真正的穷人并不总是能支付水电费），这些都是影响选择的日常压力源。
我们很幸运有自己的观点，但这些观点在很大程度上是基于我们自己的经历、阅读或电影。不幸的是，依靠这些并不能理解，真正贫穷的人，所需要面对的。因此，我们会说，“他们没有理由不买胡萝卜、豌豆、洋葱”等。顺便说一句，大多数穷人可能都会买。
穷人的斗争，一场合法的斗争，是如何吃得健康（或完全健康），同时在贫困水平的预算下，管理好你生活的方方面面。我们只关注一个方面，日常饮食。这是个问题。
贫穷真是糟透了！穷人根本没有选择权！我们需要承认这一事实。
When poor people are fortunate enough to join the more financially stable, they, generally, tend to eat better. I dont think it is so much that poor people simply make bad food choices. It is the reality of poverty that limits those choices. Whether well intentioned or not, some of the comments made here, lead me to conclude that some have a serious misunderstanding about the reality of the poor in the US.
当穷人有幸加入经济更稳定的群体时，他们通常会吃得更好。我不认为，是穷人做出了糟糕的食物选择。正是贫穷的现实，限制了这些选择。不管是否出于善意，这里的一些评论让我得出结论，有些人对美国穷人的现实存在严重误解。
Nope, I don’t insult strangers, not or purpose anyway, and admit I don’t know everyone’s circumstances. I grew up in a blue collar family, and carrots, onions, potatoes, and peas were often the only produce in the house because they were cheap. In the fall, we’d sometimes go to an apple orchard and buy a pick your own bushel. We didn’t have the healthiest diet (or the unhealthiest), just whatever my parents could afford.
不，我不会侮辱陌生人，也不会故意侮辱，我承认我不了解每个人的情况。我在一个蓝领家庭长大，胡萝卜、洋葱、土豆和豌豆，通常是家里唯一的农产品，因为它们很便宜。秋天，我们有时会去苹果园买自己采摘的一蒲式耳的苹果。我们没有最健康的饮食（或最不健康的饮食），只有我父母能负担得起的。
That is so much bull! Put a big price on something and people will assume it is better. A pork roast is the same no matter what the price, it all comes from the same pig. People will charge whatever the market will bear. And stupid people pay it.
很多价格虚高！给某件东西花大价钱，人们就会认为它更好。烤猪肉是一样的，无论价格如何，都来自同一头猪。人们会收取市场能承受的任何费用。愚蠢的人付出代价。
Honestly, that is not true. If you’re purely focusing on roast pig, breed, feed, and processing are a huge divider. Cheap pork (like cheap chicken) is allowed to be some percentage water for industrial farmers… which if you think about it reduces both the taste and the actual value.
This is true across the board for all kinds of products. For instance…buying pregrated cheap cheese and wonder why it barely melts then gets flavorless and greasy? Because industrial producers are allowed to treat it with cellulose (yeah, that’s right, sawdust) to prevent moisture, increase shelf life, and pad the poundage. You know what’s cheaper? Buy a block of decent cheese and grate it yourself. REAL cheese is a protein and if kept in the fridge will last for a month or more (I’m talking about hard cheese here). So….Make America Grate Again!
老实说，这不是真的。如果你纯粹专注于烤猪肉，那么品种、饲料和加工，会让它们有巨大的区别。
廉价的猪肉（像廉价的鸡肉），被允许注入一定比例的水……如果你仔细想想，这会降低味道和实际价值。
所有种类的产品都是如此。例如……买了预制的廉价奶酪，想知道为什么它几乎不融化，然后变得无味和油腻？
因为工业生产商可以用纤维素（是的，没错，锯末）处理它，以防潮，延长保质期，并增加重量。
你知道什么更便宜吗？买块像样的奶酪自己磨碎。真正的奶酪是一种蛋白质，如果放在冰箱里，可以保存一个月或更长时间（我在这里说的是硬奶酪）。所以……让美国再次伟大！
100 percent right. There is a world of difference in beef steak from a Walmart to a grocery with a meat department and even better my local butcher shop. Grass fed vs. grainfed. Factory farm. Fortunately, we're now in a position to buy a little better groceries.
100%正确。从沃尔玛到有肉类部门的杂货店，再到我当地的肉铺，牛排有天壤之别。草饲与粮饲。工厂化农场。幸运的是，我们现在可以买一些更好的食品杂货了。
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You are right. The food industry has fooled people
你是对的。食品工业愚弄了人们。