中国人、日本人和韩国人从情感上认为越南人是东亚人还是东南亚人？
Do Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans consider Vietnamese as East Asian or Southeast Asian (emotionally)?
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网友：你为什么不把这些东亚或东南亚的东西留给我们？这个国家既不像东亚也不像东南亚。我们不属于两个世界，我们知道这一点。这种问题我都看腻了，这让越南人看起来像一群寻求外人认可和关注的人，而事实上我们根本不在乎他们对我们的看法。
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Do Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans consider Vietnamese as East Asian or Southeast Asian (emotionally)?
中国人、日本人和韩国人认为越南人是东亚人还是东南亚人（情感上）？
中国人、日本人和韩国人认为越南人是东亚人还是东南亚人（情感上）？
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你为什么不把这些东亚或东南亚的东西留给我们？这个国家既不像东亚也不像东南亚。我们不属于两个世界，我们知道这一点。这种问题我都看腻了，这让越南人看起来像一群寻求外人认可和关注的人，而事实上我们根本不在乎他们对我们的看法。
Yep, this reeks of inferiority complex.
是的，这充满了自卑感。
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Vietnamese are both Southeast Asians and East Asians.
越南人既是东南亚人，也是东亚人。
You think that, but I’ve gotten angry comments from Vietnamese people after merely LISTING Vietnam as Southeast Asia because of ASEAN.
那是你这么想；我仅仅因为东盟把越南列为东南亚，然后，就收到了越南人愤怒的批评。
I think you're ignoring the story context. If we just say that Vietnam belongs to the ASEAN (economic) area, I believe the Vietnamese will not obxt. But if we say that Vietnam is completely Southeast Asia just because they belong to ASEAN, I believe they will not be able to accept it.
我认为你忽略了故事的背景。如果只是说越南属于东盟(经济)区，相信越南人不会反对。但如果仅仅因为越南属于东盟，就说越南完全是东南亚，我相信他们一定接受不了。
Where Vietnamese people are, how they are, regardless of anyone's will.
越南人属于哪里，他们怎么样，不干其他人的事。
Anonymous
I am Japanese. I don't know anything about Vietnam. But, I know that Vietnam is Not in East Asia Also, I see some movies about Vietnam war. Vietnamese ususally have darker skin and shorter height than East Asians.
I believe most Japanese in Japan would feel the same as me.
我是日本人，我对越南一无所知，但是，我知道越南不在东亚。
我也看一些关于越南战争的电影。越南人通常比东亚人皮肤更黑，身高更矮。
我相信大多数日本的日本人会和我有同样的感受。
Japanese people in the past were shorter than Vietnamese people. Japanese soldiers are only 150cm tall while Vietnamese men are 152cm tall. Japan took 50 years from 1963 to 2010 nutritional support was only 171cm tall. while Vietnam from 2000 to 2020 nutritional support up to 168cm. There is a fact that the Japanese are shrinking from 172cm to 171cm. Vietnam will only need 10 to 20 more years to be taller than the average Japanese man
过去的日本人比越南人矮。日本士兵只有150cm高，而越南男人有152cm高。日本从1963年到2010年用了50年营养支持身高才171cm。而越南从2000年到2020年的营养支持后，高达168cm。日本人正在从172cm缩小到171cm，这是一个事实。越南只需要再多10到20年就能比日本男性平均身高高。
I don't think height or skin tone is the issue here. You Japanese used to be one of the shortest in Asia, that's why Chinese, Koreans or Vietnamese people often call them “Wa” or "short Japanese" (sorry if it offends you, but I'm just talking about historical fact). You guys have only grown up about height recently. As for black, it's a fact that Koreans used to be much darker than Southeast Asians today (not to mention Vietnam, among the whitest in Southeast Asia).
我不认为身高或肤色与这个话题相关。你们日本人曾经是亚洲最矮的人之一，这就是为什么中国人、韩国人或越南人经常称他们为“倭”或“矮日本人”(如果冒犯了你，抱歉，我只是在说历史事实)。你们最近才长高了一点。至于黑，韩国人以前比今天的东南亚人黑很多是事实(更别说越南了，是东南亚最白的国家之一)。
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Japanese height in 100 years ago
100年前日本人的身高
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Korean skin in the past
过去的韩国人的皮肤
Vietnamese soccer (red costume) vs Cambodian (white)
越南足球（红色服装）vs柬埔寨足球（白色）
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Singapore soccer (red costume) vs Vietnamese (white)
新加坡足球（红色服装）vs越南人（白色）
一般来说，身高和白皙的皮肤并不是定义东南亚或东北亚的唯一因素。它可能会因政策或生活条件而改变。还需要许多其他因素（如出身、基因、文化、社会等）。
I don’t care about EA or SEA but i want to correct the fact that in 1945 when japanese came we nick name you “short japan”, i guest it’s will be about 10cm on average different for my old people to call it. We was suffer from starvation and 50 years for become some of poorest country on earth, at the same time japan become one of the richest make you catch up us on height. I bet you that the average height of 85 years old vietnamese man will be taller than japanese. Japan always the shortest among sinosphere since ancient time, vietnamese and southern Chinese about the same, northern chinese and korean are taller. About the skin, it’s depend how much sun exposed, our natural skin about the same as chinese, i see a lot of japanese with higher jomon gen have much darker natural skin than us.
我不关心是东亚还是东南亚，但我想纠正一个事实，1945年日本人来的时候，我们给你们起了个绰号叫“短日本”，我想我们之间平均会有10厘米的差异，我们的老人们会这么叫日本人。我们遭受了50年的饥饿，成为了世界上最贫穷的国家，同时日本成为了最富有的国家之一，这让你们在身高上赶上了我们。我跟你打赌，85岁的越南男人平均身高会比日本人高。日本自古以来一直是中华圈中最矮的，越南人和中国南方人差不多，中国北方人和韩国人更高。关于皮肤，这取决于暴露在太阳下的时间，我们的自然皮肤和中国人差不多，我看到很多绳纹人种更高的日本人有比我们更黑的自然皮肤。
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Japan is in debt like crazy. You guys are fucked. Debt is 266% of national GDP whilst most countries are like only 40–50% of their GDP.
日本负债累累，你们完蛋了。债务是国家GDP的266%，而大多数国家的债务只有GDP的40-50%。
inferiority complex is a bad thing!
自卑是一件不好的事情！
Historia Wong
Logically, I’ve always considered it a Southeast Asian country. Emotionally? I… Hm. I don’t know. Emotionally, I’ve always felt a bit closer to Japanese, Koreans, and Taiwanese (I’m Chinese, and no, I don’t need anyone telling me Taiwanese are technically—), but I’ve always felt close to Vietnamese and other Asian ethnicities too. I mean, they’re still Asian. So yeah!
At the end of the day, we’re all brothers and sisters, so let’s gather around and EAT SOME PHO!
从逻辑上我一直认为越南是东南亚国家。
情感上呢？我不知道。在情感上，我一直觉得自己与日本人、韩国人和台湾人更亲近(我是中国人，不，我不需要任何人告诉我台湾人在理论上是…………)，但我也一直觉得自己与越南人和其他亚洲民族很亲近。我是说，他们都是亚洲人。所以，耶！
说到底，我们都是兄弟姐妹，所以让我们聚在一起吃点越南河粉吧！
What an annoying question! Why should the Vietnamese care about this?
烦人的问题，越南人为什么要关心这件事？
Chen Zhigong (陳治功)
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Vietnamese are genetically more Southeast Asian, consider they have darker skin color and their average height is much shorter than CJK.
Vietnamese culture is more East Asian, at least the north Vietnam.
Vietnamese is geographically southeast Asian without any doubt.
So in simple words, I personally consider Vietnam as a Southeast Asian country but some kind assimilated by East Asia.
我是中国人，在我看来:
越南人在基因上更像东南亚人，因为他们的肤色更深，平均身高也比中日韩人矮得多。
越南文化更像东亚，至少北越是如此。
毫无疑问，越南人在地理上属于东南亚。
所以简单来说，我个人认为越南是一个东南亚国家，但被东亚同化了。
Hoàng Minh Hiền (黄明贤) (황명현)
I agree with most of the points you made but I really disagreed with the first point. TL;DR Vietnam was one of the Baiyue tribes living in modern-day Guangdong, Guangxi and Northern Vietnam whose empire/kingdom Âu Lạc was defeated by 赵佗 (Triệu Đà, who was a Han Chinese general) and incorporated into 交趾(Giao Chỉ) which would later be absorbed by the Han Empire which began the 1000 years of Chinese domination 时北属 (Thời Bắc Thuộc). Note that the original Viets, who were of Tai Kadai origins from northern Thailand and nearby area, were RACIALLY and CULTURALLY assimilated by the Chinese. That’s the reason why Vietnamese have around 60%–80% of their language originated from Chinese, and every Chinese word has their Vietnamese equivalent, even if that word is not used much anymore in Vietnamese. For example, Phi Trường (飞场), the word for Airport, was popular until the 21st century when the original Vietic word Sân Bay replaced it. Plus, the majority of Vietnamese are of Kinh Tộc / 京族, the names for the newly arrived Chinese immigrants who lived in/near the capital Thăng Long 升龙. Northern Viets are indistinguishable from Southern Chinese, and the dark-skinned Viets you see are often mixed/or newly conquered people from the Champa Kingdom.
我同意你提出的大部分观点，但我真的不同意第一点。
文章太长，不值得看：
越南是在今天的广东、广西和越南北部的百越部落的一员，他们的Âu Lạc王国被赵佗(汉人将军Triệu)打败了，并被编入交趾郡，然后被汉帝国吞并，开始了中国对越南长达1000年的统治，也就北属时期；值得注意的是，最初的越南人是来自泰国北部和附近地区的Tai Kadai（壮侗语族）人，在种族和文化上被中国人同化了。这就是为什么越南语有大约60 %- 80%的语言源自汉语，每个越南语单词都有对应的汉语单词，即使这个单词在越南语中不再常用。例如，Phi Trường(飞场)，机场的意思，直到21世纪才被纯粹的越南语单词San Bay取代。此外，大多数越南人是京族，新来的中国移民居住在首都升龙城或者其附近。北方的越南人和中国南方人没什么区别，你看到的黑皮肤的越南人通常是来自占婆王国的混血儿或新征服的人。
（译注：占婆王国超级长，长达1600年之久的印度化王国。Tai Kadai 是壮侗语系，不过越南属于南亚语系孟高棉语族）
The airport example is interesting because Vietnamese Americans still use Phi Trường. It’s like we’re stuck, linguistically, in the 1970s and earlier.
机场的例子很有趣，因为越南裔美国人仍然使用Phi Trườ，这就像我们在语言上被困在了20世纪70年代和更早的时候。
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I noticed this too. A lot of my friends back in Vietnam told me that I speak like “an old man”, because the Viet-Am language not only maintained older Sino-Vietnamese phonetics, but also incorporated a lot of American English terms that were seen during South Vietnam’s exposure to the West.
我也注意到了这一点。我在越南的很多朋友告诉我，我说话像个“老人”，因为美国的越南语不仅保持了古老的中越语音学，而且还融入了许多在南越接触西方时看到的美国英语术语。
Hidesato Sakakibara
In Japan we consider Vietnam 100% Southeast Asian.
在日本，我们认为越南是100%的东南亚国家。
I don’t know why this question keep popping up? So I’ll hopefully answer all of your concern.
Vietnamese are Vietnamese. Mongolian are Mongolian. East Asians are Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Singaporean, Taiwanese, and Hong Kong Folks. Southeast Asians are people from Laos, Thailand, Myanmar, Cambodia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, and etc…
Vietnamese and Mongolian are separate from the other Asians. East Asians do not look like Mongolian for example, their body structure is also very different. Vietnamese do not look East Asian nor Southeast Asian, we are our own distinct classification.
我不知道为什么这个问题不断出现？所以我希望能回答你所有的问题。
越南人就是越南人。蒙古人就是蒙古人。东亚人是中国人、韩国人、日本人、新加坡人、台湾人和香港人。东南亚人是来自老挝、泰国、缅甸、柬埔寨、印度尼西亚、马来西亚、菲律宾等国家的人
越南人和蒙古人与其他亚洲人是分开的。东亚人看起来不像蒙古人，例如，他们的身体结构也很不同。越南人看起来不像东亚人，也不像东南亚人，我们是自己独特的分类。
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descended from Koreans. 韩裔。
There are 3+ countries that have been at war plenty of times in the past several millennia and see themselves as distinctly different. The last ethnicities my Korean parents wanted me to marry were Japanese and Chinese: they were the last two enemies.
Given that China had a war with Vietnam just 40 years back, and South Koreans were quite brutal during the American Vietnam War, relations are not entirely friendly.
东亚人不认为自己是一个单一的群体。没有“他们”这种说法。
在过去的几千年里，有三个以上的国家多次交战，并且认为自己与众不同。我的韩国父母最不希望我和日本人或者中国人结婚；因为他们是仅剩的两个敌人。
考虑到40年前中国与越南有过一场战争，而韩国人在美越战争中也相当野蛮，两国关系并不完全友好。
Vietnamese culture is very similar to Chinese culture but for the most part, no east Asians do not consider Vietnamese as east Asian in fact some even look down on them. But northern Vietnam is always mistaken as a east Asian country, it is not, it is southeast Asian but culturally similar to china
越南文化与中国文化非常相似，但在大多数情况下，没有东亚人不认为越南人是东亚人，事实上有些人会看不起他们。但是越南北部总是被误认为是东亚国家，但它不是，它是东南亚的但是文化上和中国相似。
The East Asian doesn’t get along to even group together, so therefore this question is invalid, only phony pretentious people like to be called East Asian. When in reality they want to think they are better than one another so there is no relationship from the start to even wanting to be them.
东亚人之间相处并不融洽，他们并不是一个凝聚的整体，所以这个问题是无效的，只有虚伪的人喜欢被称为东亚人。事实上，他们想认为自己比别人更好，所以从一开始我们就没有关系，甚至不想成为他们。
Northern Vietnamese here. Neither, Vietnamese are not East nor Southeast Asian. Vietnamese have big eyes but light skin. Majority of East Asian have small eyes and light skin while Southeast Asian have big eyes but darker skin. Vietnamese have strong East Asian like work ethic but are also extremely social. Vietnamese are more social than even Southeast Asians. Vietnamese society is very warm, social, and welcoming.
I don’t relate to other East nor Southeast Asians. Vietnamese society is just very different from the rest of Asia.
这里是越南北部。我认为都不是，越南人不是东亚人，也不是东南亚人。越南人眼睛大，但皮肤肤色浅。大多数东亚人眼睛小，肤色浅，而东南亚人眼睛大，皮肤深。越南人有强烈的东亚式职业道德，但也非常爱玩。越南人甚至比东南亚人更爱玩。越南社会非常热情、友好、好客。我们和其他东亚或东南亚人没有关系，越南社会与亚洲其他国家非常不同。