网友讨论：为什么欧洲落后于美国？
Why Europe Fell Behind the United States
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网友：我认为美国也在面临着同样的挑战，但是美国对于欧洲来说拥有两个最大的优势，那就是能源独立，农业产量高。
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网友讨论：为什么欧洲落后于美国？
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I think the US is equally facing challenges but the biggest advantage of the US over Europe is its energy independence and high agricultural output
我认为美国也在面临着同样的挑战，但是美国对于欧洲来说拥有两个最大的优势，那就是能源独立，农业产量高。
That's why The USA can sustain themselves, Europe on the other hand not so much.
这就是为什么美国可以自给自足，而欧盟却做不到的原因。
the US is one federal state and the EU is not
美国是一个联邦国家，但欧盟不是
@Moss the US also just has a better geography then Europe has.
美国的地理位置比欧洲好。
You are right The Is economy of the US is over reliant on 4 states Calafornia, Texas, Florida and New York. All facing huge problems of inflation, immigration, and water shortage.
你说的没错，美国的经济过度依赖于加州，德州，佛州和纽约州。这四个州都面临着通货膨胀，移民，水资源短缺的问题。
@ciaranbrk You look at each country and you will find some provinces are more productive than others. Yes there are some states that are not as important as California or Texas but those states play a role in their own way. Water shortages are going to be a lot more frequent but it is not uniquely American problem . We have seen the drought in China and Europe last summer as well.
如果你有观察过的话，那么就会发现，在一个国家里面，某些地区会比其他地区更有生产力。是的，美国某些州没有加州或者德州那么重要，但是这些州也在以自己的方式发挥着作用。未来水资源短缺问题会变得越来越频繁，但是这不是美国所独有的问题。中国和欧洲在去年夏天也遇到了干旱。
@ciaranbrk you can argue those states have the largest number of Fortune 500 countries but you must realize small businesses are the engine of the US economy- that’s all over the country. American entrepreneurs do not come from those 4 big states btw. They come from all over
可以说这几个州拥有数量最多的世界500强企业，但是必须要知道的是，小企业才是美国经济的发动机，这些小企业遍布美国各地。顺便说一下，美国企业家并非都来自于这四大州，他们来自于美国各地。
EU is working on energy independence. E.g. Greece and Cyprus have huge gas fields in the Mediterranean and EU is heavily pushing on renewable energy sources.
欧盟正在致力于能源独立。比如，希腊和塞浦路斯在地中海拥有巨大的天然气田，欧盟正在大力推动可再生能源的发展。
Hello! I heard that in 2022 Poland's economy surpassed Portugals. Being Portuguese living in Poland i find the comparison between Southern countries and Eastern interesting. Eastern countries have only recently entered the EU while southern have been in for decades. Will the eastern economy surpass the south?
你好，我听说波兰2022年的gdp已经超过了葡萄牙。作为一个生活在波兰的葡萄牙人，我觉得南欧国家和东欧国家之间的对比很有趣。东欧国家加入欧盟还没有多久，但是南欧国家几十年前就已经加入欧盟了。你觉得东欧的经济将会超过南欧吗？
You forgot the billions poured to Poland by the EU
你忘了，欧盟向波兰提供了数十亿美元
2021 Poland gdp per capita: 18k
2021 Portugal gdp per capita: 24.5k
Poland hasnt surpassed Portugal yet
2021年波兰人均gdp：18000美元
2021年葡萄牙人均gdp：24500美元
波兰还没有超过葡萄牙
@Mile "2022 Poland's economy surpassed Portugals."
posts 2021 gdp per capita
“2022年波兰的gdp超过了葡萄牙”
所以你发2021年的人均gdp干什么
@Mile purchasing power is higher in Poland as living costs are higher in Portugal. 1euro buys more in Poland.
波兰的购买力更高，因为葡萄牙的生活成本更高，在波兰1欧元可以买到更多的东西。
@Nuno C Poland 2022 gdp per capita 18.2k
Portugal 2022 25k
2022年波兰人均gdp18200美元
2022年葡萄牙人均gdp25000美元
hi I'm from Czechia and we're almost on the same level (GDP per capita) as Spain. And according to some data we've actually surpassed the Spain and are catching up fast to Italy. It seems really unbelievable to me, since about 7 years ago Italy and Austria were advanced economies in my eyes and everyone has felt the growth and also we've actually growing population, when a lot of people from eastern Europe are coming to our country and our birth rates are not as bad.
你好，我来自于捷克，我们的人均gdp几乎和西班牙处于同一个水平。而且从某些数据来看，我们实际上已经超过了西班牙，而且正在快速追赶意大利。对我来说，这似乎真的有点难以置信，因为大约7年前，意大利和奥地利在我眼中还是发达经济体，每个人都感受到了增长，我们的人口也在增加，有很多其他东欧国家的人正在涌入我们国家，我们的出生率并没有那么差。
@BluuGinger41 hmm the only thing, I'm not sure... For instance: what's a typical salary there, Prague and the rest of the country? Here minimum wage it's just 1100€
我唯一不确定的是布拉格和捷克其他地方的平均工资是多少？这里的最低工资是1100欧元
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southern countries focus too much on tourism and forget all about what really moves a country like industrialization and so on
南欧国家过于注重旅游业了，他们忘了真正推动国家进步的是工业和其他产业。
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@たNailil that's not true tho, Italy is the 2nd largest manufacturer of goods in Europe just after Germany and its top exports include pharmaceuticals (1st producer in the continent), precision machinery and components used in the automotive, hydraulic and aerospace industries, for example.
并非如此，意大利是欧洲仅次于德国的第二大商品生产国，意大利最大的出口产品包括药品（欧洲大陆最大药品生产国），精密仪器，用于汽车，液压和航空航天工业的零部件。
@hshdudhs hduduxubes Poland has always been an economic powerhouse throughout history that's why their neighbors always wanted to fight about it.
Poland was pretty well destroyed by the world wars and soviet Era, but the region is a good investment and always has been.
在历史上，波兰一直都是一个经济强国，这就是为什么周边国家总是要为波兰发动战争的原因
在世界大战和苏联时期，波兰几乎被彻底摧毁，但是这个地区是一个极佳的投资目的地，而且一直以来都是。
@BluuGinger41 czechia has more young people, Italy has more elderly.
捷克有更多的年轻人，而意大利有更多的老年人。
Poland has germany next door providing jobs and investment . Economically Poland is going to do great. I would still prefer to live in Portugal. Money is not everything. ( I have been in both countries)
隔壁的德国为波兰提供了就业和投资。在经济上，波兰表现的很不错，但是我还是更加喜欢住在葡萄牙。金钱不是万能的（我在这两个国家都生活过）
To be frank, before WW2 the economies of countries like Estonia and Latvia or Czechoslovakia was already ahead of Southern Europe, including perhaps even Italy as a whole (if we discount industrial North). It's because Estonia and Latvia pre WW2 had similar foundation to stand on as Finland, they were the best and most industrialized regions of Russian Empire having great contacts with Western Europe.
Soviet rule for 50 years changed that, but Estonia now is emerging again, the foundation was there, Soviet rule just stopped the growth.
老实说，在二战之前，爱沙尼亚，拉脱维亚和捷克等国的经济就已经超过了南欧，甚至可能超过了整个意大利（如果不把工业化了的北方算进来的话）。这是因为在二战之前，爱沙尼亚和拉脱维亚的基础和芬兰差不多，它们是沙俄帝国统治下最好的，工业化最发达的地区，而且和西欧有着广泛的联系
苏联对它们长达50年的统治改变了这一切，但是爱沙尼亚现在正在崛起，毕竟它的基础还在那里，苏联的统治只不过是阻止了它的发展而已。
Europe has been around for so long, I'm actually not surprised Europe economically is no longer powerful like that anymore. But I do not expect the decline to be drastic.
欧洲拥有悠久的历史，我对欧洲经济没有过去强大并不感到惊讶，但是我认为欧洲不会急速衰落。
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China has been around longer haha
中国的历史更加悠久，哈哈
@Aidan Aldrich true, but we are talking about Europe bruh
没错，但我们现在说的是欧洲
@Moss I'm just saying that there really isn't a correlation between a nation's age and economy
我只是想说一个国家的历史和经济之间并没有什么关系。
Empires fall ,Europeans used to be a 3rd world country at one point in history, especially 1000s AD and BC.
帝国已经衰落，在历史上欧洲曾经是一个第三世界国家，尤其是在公元前1000年到公元1000年之间
I would also want to point out that productivity in Northern Europe including France and Germany are roughly the same as the US. The eurozone crisis mainly hit southern Europe, Brexit teared the Uk apart (they had a productivity problem before) and Eastern Europe is catching up, but from a much lower level. The US is currently above the potential GDP growth through a decade of massive deficit spending.
我想要指出的是，北欧国家还有包括法国和德国的生产力大致和美国相当。欧元危机主要打击的是南欧国家，英国脱欧撕裂了英国社会（它们之前就有生产力的问题），而且东欧国家正在迎头赶上，只不过它们的起点较低。美国现在gdp增长速度之所以可以高于潜在水平是因为十年来大规模的赤字支出。
I think the issue is partly cultural. Europeans, and european businesses in particular, are more risk averse than their US counterparts. Many would rather stagnate than risk their company for a chance to out-compete their rivals.
我认为这个问题在一定程度上和文化有关。欧洲人，尤其是欧洲企业要比美国人和美国企业更加厌恶风险。很多企业宁愿停滞不前，也不愿意冒险努力争取一个超越竞争对手的机会。
Well, post-2010 the US did relatively well, East Asia did very well, while Europe has seen something like Japan - stagnation.
2010年后，美国表现的相对较好，东亚表现的非常好，而欧洲似乎出现了类似于日本那样停滞不前的情况。
Because the dollar is the world's reserve currency.
因为美元是世界储备货币。
In Europe we tend to put more emphasis on the person rather than the economy. We have all kinds of welfare nets - free/affordable education, free/affordable healthcare, more enlightened policies on migrants, prisoners, we work less so that we can spend more time with friends and family. We are less stressed in our working space and study and for all those reasons and more we are also happier.
在欧洲，我们往往更加重视人，而不是经济。我们有各种各样的福利，免费/廉价的教育体系，免费/廉价的医疗服务，我们对移民对囚犯的政策更加开明，我们工作的时间没有美国那么长，所以我们可以花更多的时间和家人朋友相聚。而且我们在工作和学习的压力没有美国人那么大，因此我们也更加的快乐
As a worker, I would rather live in the EU than US.
If I owned a business it would be a different story.
作为一名工人，我希望自己可以生活在欧盟，而不是在美国
如果我拥有一家企业，那么我希望可以将这家企业开在美国。
Working in the EU sucks. You will never get succeed. It's why I came back to America. If you are a slacker or an underperformer with no ambition and hitting the bar after work, then I suppose it's not so bad.
在欧盟工作糟糕透了。在欧盟你永远无法获得成功。这就是为什么我会回到美国的原因。如果你是一个懒散的，或者表现不那么好的，没有什么野心的，下班之后只想去酒吧的人的话，那么我认为欧盟的工作就很适合你。
@Marc V couldn’t agree more. I did a year of work over there and nobody would stay late to try and get ahead and every single day, they’d hit the bars
完全同意你的说法，我在那里工作了一年，在那里没有人会为了出人头地而熬夜加班，每天下班后，他们都会去酒吧。
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The fact that 2 world wars were practically the main stage in europe and most of it was in ruins while the us profited the most during both.
事实上，两次世界大战都主要发生在欧洲，欧洲大部分地区都成为了废墟，而美国是两次世界大战最大的获益者
Research about the Marshall plan...
你可以去研究一下马歇尔计划
Which gave huge industrial benefit to USA and basically opened the European market to all American companies.
马歇尔计划让美国获得了巨大的工业利益，从其以后，欧洲市场基本上就对美国企业敞开了大门
yes they gave money, but far from enough to rebuild the continent
是的，美国对欧洲进行了经济援助，但是这些援助远远不足以重建欧洲大陆。