太阳能发电场安装在中国北方陕西省的山顶上,绵延80公里
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It’ll take the US 10+years building just to barely come close to that
美国需要10多年的时间才能勉强接近这一规模
10+years planning and figuring out where the money will come from.Then another 10+to slowly install them.Another few years to actually bring them online.It’s like how we take 8-10 years to widen a freeway once,and when it’s done,there is already more traffic so they need to do it again.
If they were smart,they would widen it 3 lanes each side while they already have the crew and equipment there.Future proof it a little and save a lot!
10年以上的计划和找到资金的来源,然后再10年以上的缓慢安装,再过几年就能把它们上线了。这就像我们花8-10年的时间拓宽一次高速公路,当它完工时,已经有了更多的交通运输,所以他们需要再做一次。
如果他们聪明的话,他们会在那里加宽3条车道,而他们已经有工人和设备了。未来会证明这一点,会节省很多!
I live in a suburban area in guangdong province.Mad lads built at least one subway line with 20-30 stations EVERY YEAR since I moved there.This dynamic is something I never experienced in my life before.
我住在广东省的一个郊区。自从我搬到那里后,疯狂的小伙子们每年至少建一条地铁线,有20-30个车站。这种动态变化是我一生中从未经历过的。
I think China is spending money and effort on many things the US is falling behind on.Only threat directly at the US is how bad our power grid and infrastructure is in comparison.
我认为中国在许多美国落后的事情上花费了金钱和精力。唯一直接威胁美国的是,我们的电网和基础设施有多糟糕。
Funny how using the wilderness for any other purpose is absolutely fine,but the second it’s done for solar power it’s suddenly a massive issue?Even when it doesn’t even cause any harm?
Some people in this comment section have an agenda or are flat out stupid
有趣的是,如何将荒野用于任何其他用途才是特别好的呢?怎么一旦它用于太阳能,它突然是一个巨大的问题呢?即使它甚至不会造成任何伤害?
这个评论区的一些人在找事情,或者是完全愚蠢的
No I hate it since it takes up so much space for something a nuclear power plant can do less than 60th of the space
And is safer
不,我讨厌它,因为它占用了太多的场地来做核电站也能做的事情,只要不到60分之一的场地
而且更安全
China’s already the second biggest producer of nuclear power after the US and they’re building a shit ton more reactors.Besides if someone posted a picture of a Chinese nuclear power plant reddit would just say you can’t trust them even though they’ve never had a single nuclear accident
中国已经是仅次于美国的第二大核电生产国,而且他们正在建造成吨的更多的核反应堆。此外,如果有人发布了一座正在建设的中国核电站的照片,Reddit这里会只是说,你不能完全信任中国,即使他们从来没有发生过任何一起核事故。
Wow that will work for 10 years!
哇,这将能运行10年!
My neighbor installed his PV panels in 2006.They are still working and still have good efficiency(although not as good as the new ones,that are being manufactured these days).Where do you have the 10 year limit from?
我的邻居在2006年安装了他的光伏板,它们还在工作,效率仍然很好(虽然没有新的好,比如现在正在制造的那些),你的10年期限从哪里来?
Because your neighbour likely built one on their roof.This is built on the ground,where it has to compete with loose dirt,plants growing around it,and even animals bothering it.
There could be many reasons why a lot of these won't even last 5 years.
因为你的邻居很可能在他们的屋顶上建了一个。这里是建在地面上的,在那里它必须要抵抗松散的泥土、周围生长的植物,甚至动物会打扰它。
可能有很多原因,使很多这样的光伏板甚至不会持续5年。
You mean like thousands other PV parks built around the world?Take Romania for example:most of the PVs are installed in fields,many were built over 10 years ago,and they are still working fine,generating electricity.Of course you have maintenance,but you'll have that fot any kind of energy generation system:
你说的就像全世界建造了成千上万的光伏公园一样?以罗马尼亚为例:大多数光伏板安装在田里,许多是10多年前建造的,它们仍然工作正常,发电。当然,你要维护,就像任何类型的能源发电系统需要的那样:
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There's panels being developed nowadays that should retain 90%of their efficiency from the day they were made after 50 years.Properly maintained these could last 50+years and still be generating 80-90%of their original output.
That's comparable to coal plants and nuclear plants.
And whenever the panels are decommissioned they can be recycled,most likely going towards newer,more efficient panels.
现在正在开发的面板应该保持90%的效率,从制造的那天起到50年后。适当维护这些产品可以持续50多年,但仍能产生原始发电量的80-90%。
这可与煤厂和核电站相媲美。
每当面板报废时,它们都可以回收利用,很可能会用于更新、更高效的面板。
You realize they built the most nuclear reactors as well right?China leads on most energy categories by a fuckton.They burn the most coal,build the most renewables,and build the most nuclear lmao.
你知道他们也建造了最多的核反应堆,对吧?中国在大多数能源类别上TMD领先。他们燃烧最多的煤炭,建造最多的可再生能源,建造最多的核电站,笑死我了。
It's almost like they have the most people,who are also industrializing at the highest rate,requiring breakneck development of their energy grid or something....
这几乎就像他们拥有最多的人口,他们也在以最高的速度工业化,需要他们自己的飞速发展的能源网或其他什么的......
This comment section urgently needs a waaambulance,but sadly,they're all tied up in ohio.But they're right,America should just continue fracking,the landscape will look so much more beautiful.
这个评论区急需一辆救护车(拯救一下情绪低落的人),但不幸的是,它们都被绑在了俄亥俄州。但他们是对的,美国应该继续水力压裂(开采石油),风景会看起来更美丽。
Redditeers think gray dirt hills r beautiful and anything China does is evil seemingly
红迪主义者认为灰色的土山是美丽的,中国所做的任何事情似乎都是XE的
The scale of public works in China is mind boggling.It’s one of very few examples where a centrally planned economy can produce a positive outcome.
中国公共工程的规模令人难以置信,这是中央计划经济能够产生积极结果的极少数例子之一。
Doesn’t seem great for any kind of wildlife living there.
对生活在那里的任何野生动物来说都不是很好。
Fun fact about studies of solar farms it’s a great place for animals to have shade in a place that is desolate because it’s so sunny and hot.Life actually thrives when there isn’t constant heat and sunlight on plant life.Plants can burn up in a lot of these places.Only time I don’t support this is when they clear cut a forest for a solar farm.So many other places like open plains.
关于太阳能农场研究的有趣事实是,在一个荒凉的地方,动物们可以有阴凉的地方,因为那里是如此的炙热。当植物生长中没有持续的炙烤时,植物实际上就会繁荣昌盛。植物在很多这种地方都会燃烧。我唯一不支持的就是他们清理森林去建太阳能农场。很多其他地方都喜欢开阔的平原(建太阳能)。
hehe they are the number 1 nuclear growth too,both dominating solar and nuclear production.They have 38 running and 19 under construction.Yeah.
It has 38 nuclear power reactors in operation and 19 under construction.It has increased its number of operating reactors by more than ten times since 2000 and plans to bring five units into commercial operation this year alone.It is China,the fastest expanding nuclear power generator in the world.
“China is a big country.We have higher energy demand than other countries,but also more room for nuclear power,”said Zheng Mingguang,President of the Shanghai Nuclear Engineering Research and Design Institute
In the list of‘expanding countries’in the world,China stands at the very top,followed by Russia with seven reactors under construction,India six and the Republic of Korea three.Currently,the countries with most reactors in operation are the United States,France,Japan and China.
呵呵,他们的核电增长也位居世界第一,既主导着太阳能发电,也主宰着核电生产。他们已经有38个项目在运行,还有19个项目在建设中,是的。
中国已有38座核电机组投入运营,19座在建。自2000年以来,中国运营的核电机组数量增加了10倍,仅今年一年就计划将5台核电机组投入商业运营,这就是世界上扩建核电发电机组最快的中国。
上海核电工程技术研究院院长郑明光表示:“中国是一个世界大国,我们的能源需求比其他国家更高,但也为核电提供了更大的发展空间。”
在世界“扩建国家”名单中,中国名列前茅,其次是俄罗斯,有7个反应堆在建,印度6个,大韩民国3个。目前,反应堆运行最多的国家是美国、法国、日本和中国。
It would be so cool if the US could attempt to do any one of these Chinese Mega projects,from solar cells on mountain tops,to mega hydroelectric dams,to high speed rail.
Super impressed with China's technological achievements.No so much impressed with the CCP and their surveillance state.That being said,I'm embarrassed for the US,its lack of mega projects,the fascists that have infiltrated their governments and it's spying program on all Americans.
如果美国能尝试做这些中国大型项目中的任何一个,从山顶的太阳能发电,到大型水力发电大坝,再到高铁,那就太酷了。
对中国的技术成就印象超级深刻。对他们的监视作为没有那么多印象。话虽如此,我为美国感到尴尬,它缺乏大型项目,法西斯分子渗透到他们的政府,以及美国对所有美国人的间谍计划。
No only is China manufacturing everything for the most wasteful nations on Earth like USA and Australia,they still have way CO2 output per capita.
And if you look at the cumulative CO2 produced.USA leads the charts by a large margin.
The absolute fucking nerve of dumb fucking Americans stealing the land,going through the industrial revolution and polluting the world on a unprecedented scale,and then outsourcing all the manufacturing to other countries and start complaining about other people polluting.
And yet USA still has the highest pollutions per capita even today.
A nation full of wasteful,idiotic hypocrites.A nation built on bloodshed and greed.And the blood shed and greed never stopped.
中国不仅为美国和澳大利亚等地球上最浪费的国家制造一切,而且后者的人均二氧化碳排放量仍然很高。
如果你看看累积产生的二氧化碳排放量,美国在排行榜上以很大的优势领先。
愚蠢的美国人偷了土地,经历了工业革命,以前所未有的规模污染世界,然后把所有的制造业外包给其他国家,开始抱怨其他人污染。
然而,即使在今天,美国的人均污染仍然是最高的。
一个充满浪费,愚蠢的伪君子的国家。一个建立在流血和贪婪之上的国家。流血和贪婪从未停止过。
This needs to be a thing in the US too.Lots of sunny desert in CA that no one uses.May was well solar the hell out of it.
这在美国也需要成为一件事。加州有很多阳光充足的沙漠,没有人使用。用太阳能建设激活这些地方也许是个好主意。
Yeah but solar is cleaner totally taking up massive swaths of land.I’m not saying that nuclear is any better because of the present dangers but solar isn’t exactly 100%clean either.I don’t think there is any form of energy in present era that is completely 100%green.Unless you want to count geothermal or hydroelectric.Actually those are two of the cleanest options geothermal being using the heat that the earth already creates and using a water current to turn turbines to generate electricity.These still do have an effect on the environment but it is negligible.We do have an effect on the environment that’s no question but it is so negligible when compared to natural disasters.Do we forget that volcanoes go off all the time spewing hundreds of thousands of parts per million of particulates into the air sulfur being one of the primary ones volcanic ash is another and the Earth compensates thunderstorms.Lightning helped rebuild the ozone that’s why you get that smell whenever lightning is about to strike.
是的,但太阳能更清洁,然而占用了大片土地。我并不是说核能更好,因为有目前的风险,但太阳能也不是100%清洁。我不认为在现在的时代有任何形式的能源是完全100%绿色的。除非你想说地热或水力发电,实际上,这是两个最干净的选择,利用地球已经产生的热量和利用水流来转动涡轮机发电。这些仍然对环境有影响,但可以忽略不计。我们确实对环境产生了影响,这是毫无疑问的,但与自然灾害相比,它是如此的微不足道。我们是否忘记了火山一直在喷发,向空气中喷出百万数十万的颗粒硫,作为火山灰的主要成分之一,伴随着雷鸣。闪电帮助重造了臭氧,这就是为什么每当闪电来袭时,你就会闻到这种气味。
Meanwhile my home town reappropriated a huge chunk of green space to install a solar farm that would power a whopping 2 percent of the city.It’ll pay for itself in a quick 40 years.
与此同时,我的家乡重新占用了一大块绿地,安装了一个太阳能农场,为城市2%的区域供电。它很快地在40年内就会收回成本。
These are not solar panels,these are massive signal boosters aiming at aliens,partly controllers for those massive balloons!
Oh…
这些不是太阳能电池板,这些是瞄准外星人的巨大信号发射器,部分是那些巨大气球的控制器!
噢...
The essentially free power they're making must be making a few hundred million here.My four panels power the house and electric car and net me about$ar from selling back power.I bet something on this scale is insanely profitable.
这里他们制造的成本便宜的电力一定是赚了好几亿。我有四个面板为房子和电动汽车供电,相当于每年从出售电力中净赚,我打赌,这种大规模的太阳能有疯狂的利润。
I don't get why you'd put this on a slope.As this kills the vegetation beneath it,the roots that provide stability to the slope go away and you could get mass wasting events that would damage this stuff greatly.
我不明白你为什么要把这些放在斜坡上。当这杀死了它下面的植被时,那么为斜坡提供稳定的根系就消失了,可能会产生大规模的损害事件,将很大地破坏这些东西。
I've not seen any plant death under the panels in our farms.(not mine personally just the ones near me)Quite the opposite,the plant life likes the protection from the wind.The panels are raised high enough that enough light gets to the ground.Plants are way better at solar efficiency than we are.
我在我们农场的光伏板下没有看到任何植物死亡。(不只是我个人,还有我身边的人)恰恰相反,植物喜欢避风,面板被提升到足够高的高度,足够的光线到达地面。植物在光合作用效率方面比我们要好很多。
There is life everywhere.Just because there aren't antelope running around or some shit doesn't mean there isn't life and a thriving ecosystem.
到处都有生命,仅仅因为没有羚羊跑来跑去或一些粪便并不意味着没有生命和繁荣的生态系统。
Lol oh yes let's not do anything about climate change because we might cover a few hills of useless land in the middle of nowhere in China
But cutting down half of the Appalachians for just one more coal vein is totally fine
哈哈,哦,是的,我们不要对气候变化做任何事情,因为我们可能会覆盖几座无用的山地,就像在中国的一个偏僻的地方,但为了再多一条煤脉矿,砍掉一半阿巴拉契亚山脉是完全可以的
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Lol,I’m just making the point that it’s not just dead empty land,lol,I’m not here shilling for big coal or some crap.
哈哈,我只是想说关键不仅是荒地,哈哈,我的意思不是说为了去赚钱就可以开采煤炭或一些有污染的东西。
But it is just dead empty land.Just because it has a little bit of life doesn't mean it's good useful land.There's life hundreds of feet down underground and flying in the high atmosphere.Life is everywhere but it can still be useless land.
但这只是荒地。仅仅因为它有一点生命并不意味着它是好的有用土地。地下几百英尺的地方有生命,高空大气层中有生命漂浮,生命无处不在,但它仍然可以是无用的土地。
Based on the video,I just watched about China spray painting their grass and stapling leaves to trees,I question that these solar panels are even real.This could easily be China pretending that they are trying to make a difference while not really doing anything
根据以前视频,我看过中国用漆喷出他们的草和钉树叶在树上,我怀疑这些太阳能电池板是否是真的。这可能是中国假装他们在努力做出改变,而没有真正做任何事情
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We have~47,000 miles of interstate.That’s with a minimum of a two-barrel highway.There’s a lotta unused space between barrels that can support solar panels,and the highway network is a natural for distribution,leading to every major,and most minor,population centers.Also the US Highway network.And because it would be part of the road network,the panels are readily accessible for service,and can be blown clean or washed from the side of the road.Clearly,fewer obstructions to sunlight…
I saw on Reddit at least one country is doing this.
Not saying this is the answer or even a part of an answer,but it could be a solid enough idea to look at.Could start with looking at existing between-the-road installs and assessing performance.
我们有大约47000英里的州际公路。那至少是一条双车道的高速公路。车道之间有很多未使用的空间可以设置太阳能电池板,高速公路网是通过一个自然的配比,通向每一个主要的,和大多数次要的人口中心。这就是美国高速公路网。而且,由于它将是道路网的一部分,这些光伏板可以很容易地进行维修,可以在路边吹干净或清洗。而且显然减少了对阳光的阻碍...
我在Reddit上看到至少有一个国家在这样做。
不是说这是答案,或者是答案的一部分,但它可能是一个足够坚实的想法,可以考虑。可以从查看现有的道路,尝试安装和评估性能开始。
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I love how China is f*cking our a**es with solar now,paving it like it's carpet.Nothing's more straight forward than deploying solar and for some reason,nothing's really happening in south-western united-states,mexico and southern Europe,to that extend.
我喜欢中国现在用太阳能来*我们的**,把面板铺得像地毯一样。没有什么比部署太阳能更直接的了,出于某种原因,在美国西南部、墨西哥和南欧,没有什么这样的事真正发生过。
Americans in the comments so awash in propaganda they don't see the stark contrast of a country dedicating large amounts of resources to infrastructure vs.a declining oligarchy which has not only allowed their existing infrastructure to crumble,but actively supported the privatization of infrastructure.Do y'all use the roads?
These people are paying way more for their electricity bill than they were a few years ago and they still look at this and think:"nationalism means I have to say that this cheap electricity from a sustainable source is actually a bad thing".Do y'all pay bills?
美国人在评论中充斥着大量的喧嚣,他们没有看到一个国家将大量资源用于基础设施,相比下我们的一个衰落的寡头政治,不仅使其现有的基础设施崩溃,且积极支持基础设施的私有化。你们都使用道路吗?
这里的人支付的电费比几年前要多得多,他们仍然盯着这些面板并想到:“国家主义意味着让我不得不说,这种来自可持续来源的廉价电力实际上是一件坏事”,你们都付账单吗?
It is ugly, but hear me out: you could do this to a couple hundred square miles of empty Nevada desert and power most of the country. You already nuked that desert so you can't be that concerned about its ugliness!
不好看,但听我说完:你可以在几百平方英里的内华达空旷沙漠上这样做,并为全国大部分地区提供电力。你已经在沙漠里进行过核试验,所以你不能那么担心它的丑陋!
No we'd get redditors complaining bout the view being ruined
不,我们会让红迪网友抱怨风景被毁了
If the US built it it's perfect. It won't erode soil, it won't affect wildlife, vegetation would cower at the
thought of blocking America's energy. Rain and dust? Pshhh. Freedom will take care of it.
Daft act like solar panels act differently when installed in different countries. This is what a solar farm looks like everywhere.
如果是美国建造的,那就完美了。它不会侵蚀土壤,也不会影响野生动物,植被会一想到会阻碍美国能源就停止生长。雨和灰尘?嘘,自由会处理好的。
愚蠢的行为,就好像安装在不同的国家的太阳能电池板会不一样的运行似的。这才是到处都能见到的太阳能发电场的样子。
China is built on cheap manufacturing, which requires cheap power.
Solar ls the cheapest total cost of power, even cheaper than coal.
Gets even cheaper if just one project can generate huge economies of scale from creating such large panel production capabilities to meet the projects deadlines.
With an extra bonus that the large production volume and lower panel cost makes for a great export to the rest of the world, who are both desperate for panels and the market size grows the cheaper panels are. Its wins all around for China.
中国是建立在廉价制造之上的,而廉价制造需要廉价的电力。
太阳能有最便宜的电力总成本,甚至比煤炭便宜。
如果仅仅一个项目,就要在满足项目的工期内,通过制造如此大的面板生产能力来产生巨大的规模经济,那么就会变得更便宜。
还有一个额外的好处是,大量的生产量和更低的面板成本,会产生一个庞大的到世界其他地区的出口,世界其它地方都渴望光伏板市场规模的增长,我指的是便宜的面板。这为中国赢得了全方位的胜利。
People are fine with destroying a landscape to build buildings, mine oil, and minerals, but the moment you put solar panels on it, people are offended, lol.
Do you also get offended when you look at New York with all those hideous skyscrapers?
人们可以破坏景观来建造建筑物、开采石油和矿物,但当你把太阳能板放在上面的那一刻,人们就会被冒犯,哈哈。
当你看着纽约那些可怕的摩天大楼时,你也会生气吗?