网友讨论：当初不想独立的国家 - 新加坡
The Country That Didn''t Want Independence
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网友：有趣的是新加坡有段时间的gdp规模达到或甚至超过了马来西亚
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网友讨论：当初不想独立的国家—新加坡
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A fun fact that sometimes Singapore's GDP is equal too or greater than that of Malaysia
有趣的是新加坡有段时间的gdp规模达到或甚至超过了马来西亚
however, singapore's gdp per capita is 6 times malaysia's!
但新加坡的人均gdp是马来西亚的六倍。
Like many countries, politicians ruined Malaysia
和许多国家一样，政客毁了马来西亚
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Malaysia could be so much greater if it wasn't for garbage politicians.
如果没有垃圾政客的话，马来西亚会更加伟大
@3D Saul Goodman Agreed. The UNMO's wish to elevate Malays over others has hurt their relationship with investors.
同意你的看法。巫统希望马来人的地位在其他种族之上，但这破坏了他们和投资者的关系
Singapore should be the leader of Malaysia and act as the Malaysian capital..
新加坡应该领导马来西亚，成为马来西亚的首都。
@LanceTheKing I don't think so. Malaysians will be unwilling to accept this, nor will most singaporeans. The mass emigration as a result of that will also ruin both economies.
我不这样认为，马来西亚人是不会接受的，同样新加坡人也不会接受。由此导致的大规模移民会对两国经济造成破坏。
@Lexx No way they can work together. Singapore practises equality for all. Malaysia practises Malays first.
新加坡和马来西亚无法合作，因为新加坡实行的是人人平等，而马来西亚实行的是马来人优先的政策
Singapore will reach it limit soon on GDP term because they are too small , while malaysia is big a country they have more potential to expand more in GDP
新加坡的gdp很快就会达到极限，因为他们太小了，而马来西亚是一个大国，他们有更大的潜力来实现gdp的增长
The per capita GDP may be much higher but I am not sure about quality of life for the normal people. I would argue malaysians enjoy higher quality of life in certain aspects for cheaper, ie can own bigger house, have cars, general freedom, and we do have world class free health care as well though education is lagging
新加坡的人均gdp或许要更高一些，但我不知道普通人的生活质量如何。我认为由于物价更低，马来西亚在某些方面的生活质量要更高一些，比如马来西亚人可以拥有更大的房子，他们可以购买汽车，拥有普遍的自由，我们还有世界级的免费医疗服务，但我们的教育比不上新加坡
Nah, Vietnam is overtaking them both soon.
越南很快将超过这两个国家
Malaysia: “We don’t want you! You’ll have to go it alone!” kicks Singapore out
Singapore: builds a massively successful economy
Malaysia: “No! It's impossible!”
马来西亚：“我们不想要你了，你必须要自己独立发展。”于是将新加坡踢了出去。
新加坡：建立了一个非常成功的经济体
马来西亚：“不，这不可能”
Actually, Singapore was not kicked out, contrary to popular belief, although the PAP was reluctant to leave, it was a mutual agreement to leave the federation of Malaysia.
实际上，和人们普遍的看法不一样的是，新加坡并不是被踢出去的，虽然人民行动党不愿意离开，但相互之间还是达成了脱离马来西亚联邦的协议。
@Erok But the fact remains that, Singapore didn't want to leave
但事实是新加坡不愿意离开
@Jeremy Chong Yes, actually, there were some gossip that if LKY had been more patient and understand Malaysia especially the Malays then, he would have held a senior position in the Malaysian government maybe even DPM/PM. If that happen, Malaysia would probably be among the largest economies in Asia if not the world. You look at South Korea, they were so poor in the 60's now, they are top 10 largest globally. The average Malaysian would have much more money in their bank whilst all the Singaporean can enjoy having their own cars and bigger house.
是的，实际上，有流言说如果李光耀更加耐心的去了解马来西亚，尤其是去了解马来人的话，那么他将很有可能会在马来西亚政府内部担任高级职务，或许甚至会出任副总理/总理。如果真能这样的话，马来西亚即便无法成为世界最大经济体之一，也能成为亚洲最大的一个经济体。你去看看韩国，他们在上世纪60年代是一个非常贫穷的国家，但现在他们是世界十大经济体之一。如果李光耀真能领导马来西亚的话，那么马来西亚普通人的银行账户中将会有更多的存款，而与此同时新加坡人也可以拥有自己的汽车和更大的房子。
@Lexx Malaysia still wouldn’t be in the top 10. Malaysia’s parliament lacks the knowledge to govern a country, and Malaysia wants only the Malays to rise and benefit, given a chance they would’ve kicked LKY out of their party because he was Chinese. 1 man cannot change a parliament, more so a country.
马来西亚依然无法成为世界前十大经济体之一。马来西亚议会不知道如何治理一个国家，马来西亚只想让马来人崛起获益，所以他们一有机会就会将李光耀踢出他们的政党，因为李光耀是华人。单凭一个人是无法改变议会的，更不用说改变国家了
@Lexx LKY understood Malaysia too well And was very patient but Malaysia did not understand
李光耀了解马来西亚，也非常的有耐心，但马来西亚不了解他
@Lexx Malaysia wanted basically only Malays to be rich and the rest to be the lowest class LKY wanted all to be equal
马来西亚只希望马来人富裕起来，让其他种族的人处于社会最底层，但李光耀希望可以人人平等
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@lengend27 war3 Yeah, I know that. It's too bad, otherwise a fair, multi-racial, prosperous Malaysia (With SG) would have been a very powerful Asian force if not the world.
是的，我知道，真的太遗憾了，否则的话，一个公平的，多种族的，繁荣的马来西亚即便无法成为世界强国，也能成为亚洲一个非常强大的国家。
@SiTi NuRaIn most money in the country is either in the goverment hands or the malaysian chinese, rarely do malays get potrayed as super rich
马来西亚大部分的财富要么在政府手中，要么就在马来西亚华人手中，马来人当中很少有超级巨富
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Singapore dont want to leave. Get ur facts straight.
新加坡不愿意离开，请先把事情弄清楚了再说。
my 87yo dad always say that it was a huge mistake that Tunku kicked out Singapore. My family is in Johore, i live in Malacca and i have relatives in Singapore.
我87岁的父亲总是说东古·阿卜杜勒·拉赫曼将新加坡踢出去是一个巨大的错误。我的家在柔佛，我在马六甲生活，我的亲人在新加坡。
If Singapore stayed with Malaysia then it probably wouldn’t have become what it is today.
如果新加坡留在马来西亚，它可能就不是现在这个样子了
@Prometheus Well, I only hope people in KL and Singapore can work together to achieve prosperity together.
我只希望吉隆坡和新加坡可以一起合作，共同繁荣。
Tunku knew singapore was going to be succesful as it always was. Its the moswt important port in the world at that time. He just didnt want KL to lose its influence
东古·阿卜杜勒·拉赫曼知道新加坡会一如既往的成功。新加坡是当时世界上最重要的港口。他不希望吉隆坡失去影响力。
@John L. I completely agree. The politicians in Malaysia can't make Singapore to the way it is today.
我完全同意你的说法。马来西亚的政客无法将新加坡发展成为现在这个样子
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As a Malaysian, I personally think it's one of the best thing that could happened. Singapore would've never be as prosperous as they are if they're under the Malaysian government. Plus, imagine the racial problems that we'd be facing.
Singapore gaining independence has caused them to prosper and has give us an economically strong ally.
作为马来西亚人，我个人认为这是最好的一个结局。如果新加坡处在马来西亚政府统治之下，那么他们就不会像现在这样繁荣。而且想象一下如果新加坡留在了马来西亚，那么我们会面临怎样的种族关系。
新加坡的独立让他们实现了繁荣，也让我们获得了经济上的强大盟友。
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Still Singaporean independence was pretty ironic, and I believe that every Singaporean at that time saw it as a death sentence.
新加坡的独立具有相当的讽刺意味，我相信当时每个新加坡人都觉得自己被判了死刑。
And now they’re becoming Singarich
但现在他们成为了富裕的新加坡人
@Lucifer Lightbringer But if everyone is rich . Nobody is rich
每个人都富，等于每个人都不富
Of coz it does. As you can see the PM Lee Kuan Yew shed his tears…
的确如此，正如你所看到的那样，当得知被踢出马来西亚联邦时，李光耀总理都落泪了，，
@Yivun Qp yeah of coz if it were me as a citizen, I will be worried too when Malaysia kick out Singapore. But as a Prime Minister and ministers, they definitely will be more worried coz people chose them to built a country. And Singapore at that time has no natural resources, they have to think on how to achieve that. God blessed LKY and his ministers, due from their had work, Singapore is what it is today. A Nation Strong and Free.
是的，当然，如果当时我是新加坡公民，我也会为新加坡被踢出马来西亚而感到担忧。但作为总理和部长，他们肯定会更加担心，因为他们是人民选择出来建设国家的人。当时的新加坡没有任何自然资源，他们必须考虑如何实现国家发展的目标。上帝保佑李光耀和他的部长们，由于他们的努力，新加坡才成为了现在这个样子，一个强大而自由的国家。
When Malaysia Kicked Singapore out, a lot of those Malaysians who were here are not willing to go back as they already brought their families here. Few years down the road, they were given Singapore Citizenship and their families expanded...
That's the story of my Family on my dad's side. THANK YOU MALAYSIA FOR KICKING US OUT!! Can't imagine if we are still part Malaysia...
当马来西亚将新加坡踢出去时，很多在新加坡的马来西亚人并不愿意再回去了，因为他们已经将家人带到了这里。几年后，他们获得了新加坡公民的身份，在这里繁衍生息。
这就是我爸爸一家的故事。感谢马来西亚将我们踢了出去。无法想象如果我们依然是马来西亚一部分的话会怎么样。
despite Singapore having lots of strict laws, many good things have come out of it.
1) low crime rates. walk around alone freely at night, and can easily find help with any passerby you see if met with trouble.
2) cleanliness. fined for littering, fined for spitting, fined for not disposing gum properly and so on. it is strict, but cleaning in public became a habit for most citizens. we have clean streets, clean toilets, clean areas you can eat anywhere, sit down without having to wipe down the seats and so on. its comfortable living here
尽管新加坡有很多严苛的法律，但这也为新加坡带来了很多的好处
1犯罪率低。晚上你可以独自一个人自由的外出散步，如果遇到了麻烦可以很容易的向路人寻求帮助。
2城市非常干净。乱扔垃圾会被罚款，吐痰会被罚款，不正确处理口香糖会被罚款等。虽然法律很严格，但维护公共区域的清洁已经成为大部分公民的习惯了。我们有干净的街道，干净的厕所，你可以在任何干净的地方吃饭，坐下来连位置都不需要擦。这里的生活非常舒适。
3这里没有严重的种族主义。我们会称自己是新加坡华人，新加坡马来人，新加坡印度裔。我们会把国籍放在前面，而不是种族。不像美国，在美国他们会将族裔放在前面， 比如他们会说我是华裔美国人。我们不会去注意种族上的差异，任何人都可以获得成功，任何人都可以成为老师，任何都可以成为你的朋友。我们可以自由的分享观点，但我们对种族主义言论是零容忍的。如果你被发现是一个种族主义者，那么你会被人看不起。政府会对你罚款，雇主会解雇你