reddit动漫迷讨论：对中国动画感兴趣之后，你还喜欢日本动漫吗？
After you get into Chinese animation do you still like anime?
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近年来国产动画走出国门，reddit动漫迷讨论中国动画和日本动漫的区别，并对日本动漫的变态诸多抱怨。
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Well I'm curious about this and could you give me a reason? Btw If it's about ecchi I'm pretty sure there are many anime out there that doesn't has this scene
好吧我对此很好奇，你能给我一个理由吗？顺便说一句，如果是关于变态（日本宅男的变态）我很确定日本有很多动漫没有这个场景。
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I first only used to watch anime but then I got into donghuas and I fell in love with it (especially the 3d ones) and at one point only wanted to watched donghuas but I'm very critical in what I like watching and not many donghuas were what I wanted. But I still watch both. More of anime because it's easier to find anime that matched my tastes. But yeah I love both.
我一开始只看日本动漫，但后来迷上了中国动画，我爱上了它（尤其是3D 的），虽然在某个点上只想看中国动画，但我对喜欢看的东西很挑剔，中国动画我想看的不多。我还是两个都看。看更多的是日本动画，因为更容易找到符合我品味的。但是，是的，两个我都喜欢。
What's your taste?
（回复楼上）你的品味是什么？
I like stuff like soul land
（回复楼上）我喜欢斗罗大陆之类的。
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"do you still like anime" - actually I love animation from all around the world.
"give me a reason" - I love animation as media.
"it's about ecchi I'm pretty sure there are many anime out there that doesn't has this scene" - what are you talking about?
“你还喜欢日本动漫吗”——其实我喜欢全世界的动漫。
“给我一个理由”——我喜欢动漫作为媒体。
“这是关于变态我很确定日本有很多动漫没有这个场景”——你在说什么？
Well many people don't like anime because of ecchi.. so I'm just saying that if it's because of ecchi, there are many anime that don't have this kind of genre
好吧，很多人因为变态不喜欢日本动漫…所以我只是说如果是因为变态，还有很多日本动漫没有这种风格。
But also there are donghua titles which come as ecchi...
但也有中国动画的标题出现变态…
What kind of ecchi?
那类型的变态？
Most chinese cartoons dont have the cloth rip off assaults or accidents, no beach swim suit episode. No naked bathtub scene
No assaults period. You can have a villain making the threat of assault but not the actual part.
You have girls with sexy dress costumes, cleavages but there is no groping or anything because it is all censored
大多数中国动画都没有撕衣服袭击或事故，也没有沙滩泳衣的情节。没有裸体浴缸场景
没有攻击期。你可以让一个恶棍发出攻击威胁，但不是真正的部分。
你可以有穿性感礼服和乳沟的女孩，但没有猥亵或其他，因为它都被审查了
Yeah this is what I mean
是的这是我想说的
Donghua is a breath of fresh air, and I also think chinese sounds pretty fun. But I still like both.
中国动画令人耳目一新，我也觉得汉语听起来很有趣。但我还是两个都喜欢。
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I actually don't really watch anime anymore. Maybe it's just a time thing though.
I will keep up with the latest Jojo, but something like One Piece which I used to faithfully keep up with is just too slow for me now and the manga will do.
I'm still sick of the ecchi and of the high pitched lolis and young girls and boys portrayed in anime everywhere, so I'm pretty happy steering clear these days. It's not in every anime, but I don't want to sift through them seeing which one does or doesn't. In the end, it's widely accepted by the anime community so it can be simply hard to find if there is some in it, or not. I just don't need to see it, and don't want to see it.
I also don't need to spend time with all the filler, and purely fanservice scenes either, ain't got time for that. I've watched many hundreds of anime but it really just doesn't interest me as much anymore.
If I run out of donghua, then I simply just don't watch or watch something else entirely like a drama or something.
我其实不怎么看日本动漫了。也许这只是时间问题。
我会追最新的Jojo，但是像海贼王这样的我曾经忠实地追更的作品现在对我来说太慢了，漫画就可以了。
我仍然厌倦日本动漫中无处不在的变态，声音尖锐的萝莉，年轻女孩和男孩，所以这些日子我很高兴转向清新。不是每一部日本动漫都有，但我不想每部去筛选，去看哪一部有或没有。最后，它被日本动漫界广泛接受，所以很难找到其中是否有一些。我只是不需要看到它，也不想看到它。
我也不需要花时间在注水剧情上，和纯粹的粉丝服务场景上，我没时间浪费。我已经看过数百部日本动漫，但我真的不再那么感兴趣了。
如果我厌倦了中国动画，那我就干脆不看或者看其他像戏剧电视剧之类的。
This is pretty much why I could never get into anime. It's just off-putting seeing all that. Besides the really mainstream ones, which unfortunately sometimes also have those explicit sexual content, I mostly stick with western animation.
这就是为什么我永远无法喜欢上日本动漫的原因。看到这一切真是令人反感。除了真正的主流动漫，不幸的是，它们有时也有那些露骨的色情内容，我主要看西方动漫。
high pitched lolis and young girls and boys portrayed in anime everywhere,
Huh? Isn't chinese also has high pitched? Well as for loli I believe that chinese banned anything related to loli that's why there's no loli in donghua? (Correct me if I was wrong)
so it can be simply hard to find if there is some in it, or not
It's not that hard btw.. you just need to ask them in r/anime or something. I rarely watch anime now because I'm into manga than anime.. but the last anime that I watched that don't have ecchi scene are fruit basket, JJK and demon slayer and mob psycho 100
I also don't need to spend time with all the filler
Hmm It seems like you watched shonen anime with long episodes
（引用前面的回复）“日本动漫中到处都是声音尖锐的萝莉，年轻女孩和男孩，”
嗯？中国动画不是也有声音尖锐的吗？至于萝莉，我相信中国人禁止任何与萝莉有关的东西，这就是为什么中国动画没有萝莉？（说错了请指正）
（引用）“所以是很难找到里面有没有”
顺便说一句，这并不难……你只需要在r/anime （reddit论坛动漫版）或其他论坛中问他们。我现在很少看日本动画，因为我更喜欢漫画而不是动画…但我看过的最后一部没有变态场景的日本动画是水果篮子、JJK 和鬼灭之刃和路人超能100
（引用）“我也不需要花时间在注水剧情上”
嗯，看起来你看过长篇的少年动漫
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The voice actress for the chinese animes try to speak in normal pitch. So no tsunderes generally.
中国动漫的配音演员尽量用正常的音调说话。所以一般没有傲娇（日本御宅族的萌）。
That's weird I've seen some clip of chinese anime where the female character has high pitched voice
这很奇怪，我看过一些中国动漫的片段，其中女性角色的声音很高
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Huh? Isn't chinese also has high pitched? Well as for loli I believe that chinese banned anything related to loli that's why there's no loli in donghua? (Correct me if I was wrong)
Nah, not really the same, a lot of the voices in Japanese have that super artificial "kawaii" exaggeration to it. Take any loli character and there you have it.
There are still "lolis" in donghua, but they're not really portrayed the same way as in Japanese anime.
They still do exaggerate voices, just not to the same degree and not nearly as often.
Chinese censorship... is a far more complex issue than you might imagine.
（引用）“嗯？中国的不是也有高音吗？至于萝莉，我相信中国的禁止任何与萝莉有关的东西，这就是为什么中国动画没有萝莉？（说错了请指正）”
不，真的不一样，许多日语的声音都有那种超级人为的夸张的“卡哇伊”。随便拿一个萝莉角色你就知道了。
中国动画当然也有“萝莉”，但和日本动漫里的形象并不一样。
他们也会有夸张的配音，只是没到日本动漫的程度，也没那么频繁。
中国的审查……是一个比你想象的要复杂得多的问题。
I prefer portrayal of older characters rather than younger ones being the focus.
I have watched those ones you mentioned when they released, they're old news. If those are the latest you've watched, then I've probably watched more anime than you. Most of them you list, again, have lots of young children in them as a focus.
Pacing is also slower than Chinese animation, and again, not as much time here anymore.
I also prefer 3D these days, not to say 2D is bad, but 3D is likely to be the future for dynamic scenes and it's getting to much higher quality these days. If there's better cinematography direction and QC, I can see it absolutely explode in 5-10 years time.
（引用）“顺便说一句，这并不难……你只需要在r/anime （reddit论坛动漫版）或其他论坛中问他们。我现在很少看日本动画，因为我更喜欢漫画而不是动画…但我看过的最后一部没有变态场景的日本动漫是水果篮子、JJK 和鬼灭之刃和路人超能100”
我更喜欢主角是年长点的角色而不是年轻的。
你提到的那些动漫在它们发布时我就看了，它们是旧番。如果这些是你最近看过的，那么我可能比你看的动漫多。同样，你列出的其中大多数都以很多年幼的孩子为中心。
节奏也比中国动画慢，而且，我一样没有太多时间在这。
现在我也更喜欢3D，并不是说2D 不好，但3D 很可能是动态场景的未来，而且现在质量越来越高。如果有更好的摄影指导和QC，我可以看到它在5-10 年内绝对爆发。
I've watched probably almost 1000+ anime? I've watched all kinds. From Monster, Psychopass, Death note to shounen like One Piece, Naruto, Fairy Tail, Bleach to things like Violet Evergarden, Clannad, Kaguya-Sama, Steins gate, to the sports ones like Haikyuu etc, to the SoL ones like Nichijou, the CGI ones like Sidonia, Aldonah, houseki no kuni and the list could go on forever.
It's not about the "filler" episodes, but "filler" time within episodes just purely devoted to fanservice and the "kawaii" scenes and expression tropes (pat heads, ugly cry etc). In a lot of donghua, they do have some but it's really minimal, doesn't take much time if any, and I prefer it that way.
（引用）“嗯，看起来你看过长篇的少年动漫”
我大概看过1000 多部动漫？各种类型的都看过。从怪物、心理测量者、死亡笔记到像海贼王、火影忍者、妖精的尾巴、Bleach 这样的少年动漫，再到像紫罗兰永恒花园、Clannad、辉夜姬、命运石之门这样的游戏，再到像排球少年等运动游戏，再到像日常Nichijou 这样的SoL，CGI 像希德尼娅、Aldonah、宝石之国之类的，这个名单可能会永远持续下去。
这不是关于“注水”剧集，而是注水时间纯粹用于粉丝服务和“卡哇伊”场景，以及表达比喻形象（拍头，丑陋的哭声等）。在很多中国动画，他们确实有一些，但数量很少，即使有也不会花费太多时间，我更喜欢这样。
Censorship in donghua listed below which is one of the thing that I agree with.
You cannot sexualize an underage character in anyway including voice to outfit. You cannot bypass the censorship by claiming the underage loli is actually a 1000 yo vampire or claim some asian girls are short. If the person looks underage then she is underage.
Young girls cannot dress in anything sexually appealing. They have to dress like everyone else their age.
Example: versatile mage the mc's detective partner and spare me great lord the female main lead
下面列出的中国动画审查制度是我同意的事情之一。
你不能以任何方式将未成年角色色情化，包括配音到服装。你不能通过声称未成年萝莉实际上是1000 岁吸血鬼或声称一些亚洲女孩很矮来绕过审查。如果这个人看起来未成年，那么她就是未成年。
年轻女孩不能穿任何色情的衣服。他们必须像同龄人一样穿着。
例子：全职法师男主的侦探搭档和大王饶命的女主。
But doesn’t loli and ecchi crap also occur in donghuas too?
但是中国动画不也一样有萝莉和变态废话？
edited 8m ago
Nope, not really. At least from all the ones I've seen, underage sexualisation is pretty much non-existent unlike in anime.
Edit* I'm sure there's always going to be some somewhere in any culture though, but in anime it's pervasive.
不，不一样。至少从我看过的所有作品来看，与日本动漫不同，未成年人色情几乎不存在。
更正＊我确信在任何文化中多少总会有一些，但在日本动漫中它是普遍的。
I still like anime except in the situations involve
Ecchi like you said or stories where main girls are weak and submissive for no reason. Or stories with controversies like rin and sesshemarou in inuyasha. Chinese animes simply avoids this kind controversies period
Weak male main characters. There are way too japanese animes that have the nerdy hikkimori loner mcs as the norm. Chinese cartoons used to have this kind stories until they weeded them out.
Lack of ability to deal with bullies for both male and female leads. If you notice almost all of tencent cartoons especially the cultivation ones constantly throw a bully at the main character.
Also most of the anime audience will be getting older and will have kids too one day. Do any of you really want to introduce your kids to ecchi themes or weak loner mcs that cant deal with bullies.
我仍然喜欢日本动漫，除了下面的情况
就像你说的变态或女主无缘无故软弱和顺从的故事。或者像《犬夜叉》中的凛和杀生丸这样有争议的故事。中国动漫只是避开了这种争议
软弱的男主。有太多的日本动漫以书呆子宅男独行侠为男主。中国的动画片曾经有过这类故事，直到被淘汰了。
缺乏处理男性和女性领导霸凌的能力。如果你注意到几乎所有的腾讯动画片，尤其是修真动画片，都在不断地欺负主角。
大多数动漫观众都会变老，有一天也会有孩子。你们中的任何一个真的想向你的孩子介绍变态主题或无法对付霸凌的软弱独行的男主吗？
I've been killing time watching Donghua since Soul Land. I blame that. It's super amazing...Don't call me a freak, but I love it when MC has a harem lmao...I still like anime, whenever they come back with the shows I like..
Donghua suggestions: Soul Land, Perfect World, Martial Master, Battle through the heavens, a mortal's journey to immortality and Swallowed Star to name some. I binged the crap out of all those and now I have to wait weekly for an episode...FML lol
从斗罗大陆起，我一直在看中国动画消磨时间。我责怪它们。它们太棒了……别叫我怪胎，但我喜欢男主有后宫哈哈……我仍然喜欢日本动漫，每当他们带着我喜欢的番回来时……
推荐中国动画：斗罗大陆、完美世界、武神主宰、斗破苍穹、凡人修仙传、吞噬星空等等。我把所有这些都看完了，现在我必须每周等待一集……我的生活够倒霉吧哈哈
Both have different strengths.
Chinese animation
Much better quality 3D animation
More bold, masculine protagonists
Often more tasteful
Female VAs are less shrill
Japanese animation
More consistent 2D animation
Edgier, more willing to take risks
More delicious brown waifus
Male VAs have more range
它们各有优点。
中国动画
质量更好的3D 动画
更大胆、阳刚的主角
往往更有品位
女性声优不那么刺耳
日本动画
更一致的2D动画
更前卫，更愿意承担风险
更美味的“老婆”女生
男性声优的范围更大