话题讨论：西班牙帮派暴力日益猖獗
Spain: Gang violence on the rise | Focus on Europe
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西班牙帮派暴力日益猖獗
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Violent youth gangs are a major problem in Spain's capital. Two former members talk about how they managed to get out.
青年暴力团伙是西班牙首都的一大问题。两名前成员谈到了他们是如何设法从中脱身的。
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I'm from and live in the Dominican Republic. I'm so embarrased by this. it certainly does not represent us. Unfortunatelly many people in this country, as well as in Latin America believe that by moving abroad to a first world country and providing thier children with food, clothes and things is gonna make them happy. then they discover they can never spend time with them, raise them right, and then their children are seduced and turn to violence. Money really is not everything. I'd rather stay here and raise my children with little things but much love and character.
我来自多米尼加共和国，并住在这里。我对此感到很尴尬。它当然不代表我们。不幸的是，这个国家的许多人，以及拉丁美洲的许多人，都认为移居到一个第一世界国家，为他们的孩子提供食物，衣服和其他东西，就能让他们幸福，结果发现自己永远无法和孩子们在一起，无法正确地抚养他们，而且然后那些孩子会被引诱，走向暴力。金钱不是万能的。我宁愿留在这里，用点滴的爱和品质养育我的孩子。
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Yes. Unfortunately it does fully represents Dominican Republic. Delinquency highly correlates with culture. There are clear cultural reasons why these gangs are full of dominicans, colombians and not polish or chinese. I think it is already time to face some facts. Denying them again and again won't lead us to a solution.
是的。不幸的是，它完全代表了多米尼加共和国。犯罪与文化高度相关。这些帮派成员多为多米尼加人、哥伦比亚人，而非波兰人或中国人，其中有明显的文化原因。我认为是时候面对一些事实了。一而再再而三地否认，是不会让我们找到解决办法的。
@Joan Vallve I would argue to say that if that’s the case white supremacy represents all whites in America. Sorry to say but sadly it does
@Joan Vallve 我想说的是，如果是这样的话，白人至上就代表了美国所有的白人。很抱歉这么说，但不幸的是确实如此。
Joining a gang is an immature way of dealing with life growing up. Try putting that on your resume, won't get you anything in adulthood unless you're trying to get a concrete jail cell.
加入帮派是一种不成熟的成长方式。试试把这些写进你的简历，会让你在成年后得一事无成，除非你想进监狱。
守lower
是的，这是真的，但最主要的原因显然是你所在的帮派不会让你离开，如果你试图离开，你将付出代价，代价可能是你的生命。如果他们因为你知道的太多，而阻止你走某些区域，想象一下如果你只是想走出去，他们会做什么。这就是控制。
When a country accept you as an immigrant and you repay that by becoming a criminal,you should automatically lose all rights to be there.I know Austria practiced this law and it worked very well.
当一个国家接受你作为移民，而你却以成为罪犯作为回报时，你应该自动失去在那里的所有权利。我知道奥地利实行了这项法律，而且效果很好。
Hmm Domincans and Puerto Ricans way to represent your people well.
We also in NY have problems with Latin Kings and DDP .
Way to fufill the stereotypes.
You leave Dominican Republic for a reason then come ton he hard life in Spain...This is such a shame
多米尼加人和波多黎各人很好地代表了你们各自的人民。
我们纽约也有拉丁国王和DDP的问题。
这种做法实现了刻板印象。
你们离开多米尼加共和国是有原因的，然后来到西班牙过上艰难的生活……这真是太遗憾了。
Puerto Rican gangs in Europe and specifically in Spain NYC, Chicago…from the mass disruptions of decades ago that forced unemployed puertorriqueños to leave for metropolitan centers and then to top it off their newly built communities were disrupted creating even bigger issues in a population that already had to contend with poverty, poor education and racism. Not easy to rise under those circumstances specifically when the parents had to work constantly for meager wages and/or didn’t have adequate life skills. And yet many did rise up. But yeah even a gang of puertorrican doctors would be hard to find in Spain when jobs and better wages are easier to find in USA. Right now even the wages and job prospects are better in PR in comparison to Spain.
欧洲，特别是西班牙的波多黎各帮派，纽约，芝加哥……从几十年前的大规模破坏，迫使失业的波多黎各人离开家园，前往大都市中心，然后更糟的是，他们新建的社区遭到破坏，给一个人群造成了更大的问题，而这个人群已经不得不面对贫困，教育和种族主义。在这种情况下，尤其是当那些父母，不得不为了微薄的工资和/或没有足够的生活技能而不断工作时，想要上升并不容易。但还是有很多人的确爬起来了。但是在西班牙，即使是一群波多黎各裔医生也很难找到工作，而在美国更容易找到工作和更高的工资。现在甚至连工资和工作前景都比西班牙好。
One thing that is unfortunate is that it makes other latin american inmigrats look bad when most are very good people.
不幸的是，这种情况严重破坏了其他拉丁美洲移民的形象，而大多数人都是非常好的人。
And others are bad people?!! Obvi is the conditions. I don’t even know if it’s true for sure but I would guess that people that grow up and live in miserable circumstances would have a higher percentage of criminality. So if you take a scoop of people of any nationality from the worse areas, the chances of “bad” people there would be higher. Right now in California we have issues with people from Chile, Uruguay…that come on vacation visas and form gangs to rob businesses, houses…Who would have thought that would even be a thing?!
那其他人是坏人吗?! 很明显要视情况而定。我甚至不知道这是不是真的，但我猜在悲惨环境中长大的人犯罪率会更高。因此，如果你从糟糕的地区随机找一批人——无论国籍，那里出现“坏人”的几率会更高。现在在加州，我们遇到了来自智利、乌拉圭等国的人，他们持度假签证来到这里，却组成团伙抢劫商店、房屋，谁能想到会有这种事?
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It's awful for both the economy and a person, involved in that. Police should crash gangs really brutally.
卷入这种事情，对经济和个人都很可怕。警察应该残忍地打击帮派。
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As a Dominican born i find this very shameful , not to justify it I also know that people that emigrate from the DR are the poorest of the poor,, don't always find their pot of gold and the young find refuge in the wrong places, they are also throughn into a society that looks down on them. A humble opinion.
作为一个多米尼加出生的人，我觉得这是非常可耻的，我也知道从多米尼加移民过来的人最穷的穷人，他们并非都能找到第一桶金，年轻人把错误的地方当做避难所，他们也被困在一个瞧不起他们的社会中。一点拙见。
What? Dude its not a society that looks down on them, WTF? You ve been in Madrid? If you hear them talk they said the gangs give me what my parents cant give me at home, love and care. Stop blaming others and take responsability of yourself.
什么? 伙计，这不是一个看不起他们的社会，什么鬼? 你去过马德里吗? 如果你听他们说，他们会说“帮派给了我父母在家里不能给我的东西，爱和关心”。停止责备别人，对自己负责。
@Alejandro Gallardo Without being judgemental, their parents work 2 shifts, just to keep afloat, there's hardly time for special moments, the way I'll have with my kid's here in the DR. It's not about blaming others. I would say immigrants are looked down upon worldwide. It's easy to blame others from your privilege mound.(Dude, WTF)?
@Alejandro Gallardo 不需要评判别人，他们的父母两班倒的上班，只是为了维持生活，几乎没有时间来做特别的事情，我和我的孩子在DR就是这样生活的。我不是指责别人。我想说全世界都看不起移民。你很容易从你那高高在上的特权里指责别人。(老兄，什么鬼) ?
You should stick to being embarrassed about being Dominican.
你应该继续为身为多米尼加人而感到尴尬。
Do you think just because a guy is poor, more, the poorest of the poor, as you said, is has to be a criminal? What about Donald Guerrero and Rafael Canó? Are they poor? Actually, poor people cannot travel to Spain, they are banned by the system.
你认为就因为一个人很穷，就像你说的，穷人中最穷的人，就一定会成为罪犯吗? 那唐纳德·格雷罗和拉斐尔呢Canó? 他们穷人吗? 事实上，穷人不能去西班牙旅游，他们被那个系统禁止入境了。
@Enrique Vasquez If you're having difficulties in understanding English is beyond me. I've never said that I condoned it.
@Enrique Vasquez 如果你在理解英语方面有困难，那不怪我。我从未说过我谴责从事。
@Enrique Vasquez I'm against all forms of delinquencies and crime in general, this is a matter of finding solutions, working with community leaders in inner cities, workshops, free training, education, just in and out of jail won't do it.
@Enrique Vasquez 我反对所有形式的犯罪行为，这是一个寻找解决方案的问题，与社区领袖合作，在市中心，研讨会，免费培训，教育，仅仅是进出监狱是不行的。
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Exporting violence.
Good reason for anti-immigration policies.
出口暴力。
反移民政策的好理由。
It's a good reason for maintaining a border and orderly immigration and immediately deporting any criminal.
这是一个很好的理由来维持边界和有序的移民，并立即驱逐任何罪犯。
We in Russia went through this in the 90s, when the USSR collapsed, there was no work, social support, medicine. Many adults did not survive these times. The young were left to their own devices. Europe and the USA were drawn to us as an ideal place, but the older I get, I understand that this is just a beautiful showcase and slums around the corner.
我们俄罗斯人在90年代就经历过这种情况，当时苏联解体，没有工作，没有社会支持，没有医疗。许多成年人当时都没能活下来。年轻人被放任自流。欧洲和美国被我们视为理想之地，但随着年龄的增长，我明白这只是一个美丽的橱窗，而贫民窟就在拐角处。
I would deport them asap.
我会尽快将他们驱逐出境。
Gangs are terrorist organizations.
Life without parole would be the appropriate response to membership. That would have a chilling effect on recruitment.
帮派是恐怖组织。
不得假释的终身监禁将是对成员国身份的适当回应。这将对帮派招聘产生寒蝉效应。
As a kid you´re more vulnerable to easy money and false prospects. That´s why the criminals target them.
作为一个孩子，你更容易受到快钱和错误前景的影响。这就是为什么罪犯以他们为目标。
Well... There is a social problem that is often ignored by rich countries, because they're considered developed, ''This kind of thing doesn't exist in Europe, Canada, Australia, United States and so on''.
嗯……有一个社会问题经常被富裕国家忽视，因为他们被认为是发达国家，“这种事情在欧洲、加拿大、澳大利亚、美国等国家不存在”。
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通常某些群体因其外表、宗教、社会经济地位而被边缘化，被视为二等公民，并将犯罪和暴力视为一种生存方式。
Integration is important, who moves to a country without respecting the reasons the country was worth moving to? Ingrates.
融入很重要，谁会不尊重一个国家值得移民的理由就搬到这个国家去呢? 忘恩负义。
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Canada has a huge gang problem. Vancouver, Toronto. This country has a major violent crime problem.
加拿大有严重的帮派问题。温哥华,多伦多。这个国家有严重的暴力犯罪问题。
"Latin American Gang violence on the rise in Spain" that is real title of this video, isn't it?
"拉丁美洲帮派暴力在西班牙日益猖獗"，这才是这个视频的真正标题，对吧?
Shhhhhh. Truth = racism
嘘，真相 = 种族主义。
Why is gang violence on the rise? I still have no clue after watching the news.
为什么帮派暴力在上升?看完这个新闻我还是不知道。
Lol! Mass-immigration!
呵呵！大规模移民！
Watch it again, maybe in slow motion
再看一遍，或许应该慢点看。
Incels
单身狗。
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@shortscuts good one
@shortscuts 说的好。
When the country is happy to receive the labor force of the parents but ignore the necessities of the youth, while at the same time giving to the drug lords the profit of drug trafficking.
当国家乐于接受那些父母的劳动力，却忽视了年轻人的需要，同时把贩毒的利润给了毒枭。
It's so frustrating to see people post anti-immigrant nonsense because of this. We know how societies develop problems with gangs. Organized crime has affected communities all over the world from all different cultural and ethnic backgrounds but it's never wealthy communities that have a problem with street crime. If you put poor people into segregated neighborhoods and you don't provide a realistic perspective for kids to escape this, you're gonna have crime.
看到人们因此发布反移民的胡言乱语，真是令人沮丧。我们知道社会是如何产生帮派问题的。有组织犯罪影响了世界各地不同文化和种族背景的社区，但富裕社区从来没有街头犯罪的问题。如果你把穷人安置在隔离的社区，而又不为孩子们提供一个现实的角度来避开此事，就会出现犯罪。
Just deported them and the gang is over
把他们驱逐出境，帮派就完了。
How about working closer with community leaders in the inner cities, training, workshops, education, instead, of in and out of jail...real solutions.
不如与市中心的社区领袖更密切地合作，进行培训、讲习班、教育，而不是进出监狱……这才是真正的解决方案。
@Manny4u You must be so young and naive.
@Manny4u 图样图森破，桑坦那义务。
@Manny4u I think you're a bit naive. This has been tried with criminals and what not for decades, but it's like putting a band-aid on a cancer.
@Manny4u 我觉得你有点天真。这种办法已经在罪犯身上尝试了几十年了，但效果就像给癌症贴创可贴一样。
守lower
4:13这个帮派叫“不玩”?我很喜欢这个名字，非常有创意><
Instant DEPORTATION ✅
即时驱逐出境。
To a new immigrant, where is not a place he grows up, he has no love to the place, certainly there is no respect either.
对一个新移民来说，那里不是他长大的地方，他对那个地方没有爱，当然也没有尊重。
Go for it boys, better then living in the Matrix, drugs, money and crime- good job
去吧，孩子们，比生活在黑客帝国，毒品，金钱和犯罪更好——干得好。
I wonder how many of these gang members are native Spanish ...
我想知道这些帮派成员中有多少是土生土长的西班牙人……
3:15 So, first, the gang, now, the Evangelical. Out of the pan and into the fire.
3:15首先是帮派，现在是福音派。才出狼窝，又入虎穴。
Cultural enrichment they said...
他们说这叫丰富文化……
"They are not sending their best"
- Donald Trump
“他们没有送来最好的人。”
——唐纳德·特朗普
one day this guy will be missed a lot. when things get to a point of no return.
总有一天我们会怀念他的。当事情发展到无法挽回的地步。
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@D. Martins people don't like him because he hurts their feelings even though he is well aware of the environment and what's coming.
@D. Martins 人们不喜欢他，因为他伤害了他们的感情，即使他很清楚环境和即将发生的事情。
@Michael S problem is, he completely trashed his legacy and reputation during the final days in office.
@Michael S 问题是，在他任期的最后几天里，他彻底毁了自己的遗产和声誉。
lol these gangs are nothing compared to whats happening in Dublin
哈哈，和都柏林发生的事情相比，这些帮派根本不算什么。
So, Dubliners want to be First in Radical Gang Rankings, you say? Oh, boy.
你是说，都柏林人想成为激进帮派排名的第一名? 哦，孩子。
Spain have border disputes with Morocco.
西班牙与摩洛哥有边界争端。
See also Barca, Ber, Malmo, Brussels, Marseille...
还有巴萨、贝尔、马尔默、布鲁塞尔、马赛……
So diverse
非常多样化。
When u abandoned jesus for Lucifer
当你抛弃耶稣去找路西法……
Listen to Ryan Reynolds: "Diversity makes us stronger"
听瑞安·雷诺兹的:“多样性让我们更强大。”
The left are clueless. Including Ryan Reynolds. All you have to do is go to downtown Vancouver east side and you'll see what I mean. If you even dare.
左派毫无头绪，包括瑞安·雷诺兹。你所要做的就是去温哥华市中心东区，你就会明白我的意思了。如果你敢的话。
Can't be lenient on violent people folks; once they start, they don't stop & the violence propagates itself in communities. Everyone has a right to live in peace, no one has a right to be violent or to use it to stoke fear, which is terrorism.
不能对暴力分子宽容，伙计们；暴力一旦开始，就不会停止，暴力会在社区中传播。每个人都有和平生活的权利，没有人有权使用暴力或利用暴力制造恐惧，这就是恐怖主义。
贫穷本身不会导致暴力，相信这种说法是非常天真的。暴力是后天习得的，看看父母和社区，他们是根源。移除源头，暴力就会消失。
一个社区只有安全了，才能繁荣。这时工资和生活质量就会上升，绝望就会消失。在盖房子之前必须先打好地基。
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Poverty doesn't cause violence?? I think you're the naive here. We live in an unequal world.
贫穷不会导致暴力?? 我觉得你是最天真的。我们生活在一个不平等的世界。
At some point, Europeans will wake up and realize it is time to bring back capital and corporal punishment like civilized countries, e.g. Singapore
总有一天，欧洲人会醒悟过来，意识到是时候像文明国家(如新加坡)那样恢复死刑和体罚了。
A society can't function with crime out of control. Criminals should be punished accordingly. In North America they're handing them out free passes so violent crime has skyrocketed.
一个社会无法在犯罪失控的情况下正常运转。罪犯应该受到相应的惩罚。在北美，他们免费发放通行证，所以暴力犯罪激增。
@Neyou well then, they shouldn't do the crime. Do the crime, do the time. Society bearing the cost of housing criminals who commit non-human crimes is despicable. But I did add corporal punishment and nothing like 10 strokes of the Rotan and 12mths in prison to adjust their behaviour
@Neyou 那他们就不该犯罪。犯罪就坐牢。为犯下非人类罪行的罪犯承担住房成本的社会是卑鄙的。但我确实增加了体罚，也没有像十鞭刑和12个月监禁这样的东西来调整他们的行为。
What a shame. But they critic Haiti a lot .
真丢脸。但是他们经常批评海地。
What's your point
你想说什么。
Open borders is what you get
开放边界就是这个结果。
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And of course the Meta empire is involved. Zuckerberg get it together. Ppl leave FB and Insta. Take a stance.
当然，梅塔帝国也参与其中。扎克伯格让他们聚在一起。人们离开FB和Insta。选个立场吧。
Social media has caused a lot of problems in society
社交媒体给社会带来了很多问题。
The intro is so cringe.
简介真差劲。
Go see Joe Biden.
问问乔拜登。
payback for colonial era crimes
这是在为殖民时代的犯罪还账。
Huh? Why are so many Earthlings concerned with revenge?
嗯? 为什么这么多地球人都想着复仇?
IAs a Dominican I don't agree with your comment , but I would say governments sometimes take the wrong approach to solve this problems, inner cities need better opportunities, workshops, free trainings, it's working in my city in the DR.
作为一名多米尼加人，我不同意你的评论，但我想说的是，政府有时采取了错误的方法来解决这些问题，内陆城市需要更好的机会，讲习班，免费培训，在我所在的城市DR，这种办法正在奏效。
Different people, are we guilty of our ancestors actions?
我们不一样，我们会为祖先的行为而内疚吗?
@Arbane's Sword of Agility well, in North Korea they are Nice example...
@Arbane's Sword of Agility 嗯，朝鲜人就是，好例子……
Honestly, the racists stereotyping here. Repulsive.
说实话，这是种族歧视的刻板印象。让人反感。