今天的卢瓦尔河(法国河流干涸,欧洲网友不淡定了)
The River Loire today, Loireauxence, Loire-Atlantique, France译文简介
欧洲干旱有些严重。
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Hi, this isn't indeed the main channel of the Loire. Nevertheless the main part is really dry. Fews days ago we could see at the bottom of the water even in the main part of it. Something that I've never seen before.
And btw yes out of context the photo is confusing. Because this part is wider than the actual main part ppl often confuse it to be the bigger part.
嗨,这不是卢瓦尔河的干流,不过,干流真的挺干涸,几天前,我们可以看到水底,甚至在河的主要部分,从未见到如此。
顺便说一句,断章取义的照片使人混淆,因为这个支流比实际的干流宽,人们经常把它混淆为干流。
Come on France get your shit together, we need each other more than ever. Vive le France. Your German neighbor.
来吧法国,振作起来吧,我们比以往任何时候都更需要对方。法国万岁,你的德国邻居。
Ehhh, Germany for sure needs to get their shit together even more. With how populistic your decision to close down nuclear power was. Resulting in a heavy increase in coal
呃,德国肯定需要更多地振作起来,你关闭核能的决定是多么的民粹主义,导致煤炭大幅涨价
Macron have ruined hopes and dream of a whole generation, using Police violence
Peoples are apathetic now and the country is sliding into far right extremist, don't care about war in Ukraine (and mostly support Putin / are under the Kremlin propaganda) because our institutions are broken now (education, health) and it's getting worst and worst
This is what years of liberalism bring, peoples see nobody care about them (Macron care only for the rich, the billionaires), when they speak out about things Police bully them and beat them, they are turned into peoples who care about nothing (except maybe killing the Arabs in a civil war for the extremist part)
Don't wait for anything positive from France, I love my country but I never seen it looking that bad, peoples are divided, think everybody is on his own, it's not that they don't want to fight but they are lost and have 0 organisation, because oligarchie make everything possible to make this happen (divided peoples are easier to control for the billionaires class). Ifg you watch French TV you will only see propaganda from billionaires who tell that everything is Arab's fault, who hide climate change, and brainwashed boomers who watch TV believe it and vote far right
马克龙用警察力量破坏了整整一代人的希望和梦想
人们现在都冷漠了,这个国家正在滑向右翼极端主义者,不再关心乌克兰的战争(而且大多支持普京/在克里姆林宫的影响下)因为我们的制度现在已经崩溃了(教育、卫生) ,而且情况越来越糟
这就是多年的自由主义所带来的,人们看到没有人关心自己(马克龙只关心富人,亿万富翁) ,当他们说出警察欺负他们和殴打他们的事情时,他们就变成了什么都不在乎的人(除了可能作为极端主义者在内战中害阿拉伯人)
不要等待来自法国的任何积极的东西,我爱我的国家,但我从来没有看到它看起来那么糟糕,人民是分裂的,认为每个人都是靠自己,不是他们不想战斗,而是他们迷失了,没有组织,因为寡头政治让一切都有可能实现(对于亿万富翁阶层来说,分裂的民众更容易控制)。如果你看法国电视,你只会看到亿万富翁的宣传,他们说一切都是阿拉伯人的错,他们隐瞒了气候变化,而看电视的被洗脑的婴儿潮一代相信这一点,并投票给极右翼
If this trend continues, soon enough much of western Europe will have a Mediterranean climate.
如果这种趋势继续下去,西欧大部分地区很快就会出现地中海气候。
Without the nearby sea to cool things down, unfortunately
没有附近的大海来降温,是不幸
This is how Europe's climate will look like in the future
这就是欧洲未来的气候
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Here in Belgium our water levels are very low, but this is still on a whole other level. This is supposed to be a major river.
Most of the aquatic life will be lost as they could only survive in deep enough lakes.
在比利时我们的水位非常低,但这图仍然是在一个完全不同的水位,这应该是一条主要的河流。
大多数水生的生物将消失,因为它们只能在足够深的湖泊中生存。
Technically this is the smaller branch of the river on one side of a river island (the main Loire is in the left beyond the forest), but it’s still crazy that it’s no longer an island.
严格来说,这是在河岛一侧的较小的支流(主卢瓦尔河在森林的左边)但那不再是一座河岛,这还是很疯狂的。
Imagine having children today, not knowing if they'll be able to have children of their own in 20-30 years of time. Shit's depressing, let's just roll with what we have, no need to bring someone else into this mess.
想象一下,今天有了孩子,不知道20-30年后他们是否能有自己的孩子。真他*压抑,我们就顺其自然吧,没必要把别人卷入这场混乱。
I love my kids and can't imagine living without them, but there are times when I think that if I knew the US and world would be like this back then, that I'd not have had them. It really hurts to think that, but this isn't the world I wanted them to grow up in. Hopefully it reverses.
我爱我的孩子,无法想象没有他们的生活,但有时我想,如果我当时知道美国和世界会是这样,我就不会生他们了。这么想真的很痛,但这不是我希望他们成长的世界,希望它能逆转。
We had droughts like this before its about the amount of times this could happen in the future but this quite normal
我们以前也经历过这样的干旱,这在未来可能发生的次数有多少都是正常的
You are not wrong. But its still understating the problem a bit imo.
Ecosystems can easily recover from the occasional drought or wildfire e.g.
If the frequency of these events becomes too high, these ecosystems will break down sooner or later.
你没有错,但仍然有点低估了这个问题。
生态系统可以很容易地从偶尔的比如干旱或野火中恢复过来。
如果这些事件的频率过高,生态系统迟早会崩溃。
The Loire never have been this low as far as human recorded its level. But sure we can keep act like this is normal, who cares.
自有人类记录以来,卢瓦尔河的水位从来没有这么低过,但我们可以继续表现得很正常,谁在乎呢。
Please take a picture and create an alternative post. In California, they post pictures of reservoirs undergoing planned drainage for maintenance then scare everyone about drought so they can raise water prices. They don't show the other lakes nearby that are completely full.
请拍张照,从另一个角度。在加州,他们发布了水库正在进行准备排水维护的照片,然后吓唬每个人,说是干旱,这样他们就可以提高水价了,他们没有提示附近的其他湖泊都是满的。
My rain water level is almost zero now (20m³), still better than few years ago, when it was gone way sooner and for long. Luckily I see some rain in the forecast for 4 days of the next week, let's hope it will come and stay those 4 days tho.
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我这的雨水量现在几乎为零( 20立方米) ,仍然比几年前要好,当时降雨很快就消失了,持续很久。幸运的是,我看下周的预报中有4天会有一些雨,希望它能来,并持续4天。
Aight I'm gonna be straight here
The Loire is the longest river in France. From what I gather here, this is from one of its arms that's been known to do that. The main river itself is low, but not dry. Yes, the situation is really bad, we're having a lot of fires too. But let's not be stupid here and actually check the facts before getting all horrified, especially if we don't know the whole context.
As a French, if our biggest river stopped flowing entirely, it would make a lot of noise. WE WOULD F*CKING KNOW.
好吧,我来说说
卢瓦尔河是法国最长的河流。从我在这里收集到的情况来看,这是它的一个支流,众所周知,就是这样。主河道本身就很低,但并不干涸。是的,情况真的很糟糕,我们也有很多火灾。但我们在这里不要犯蠢,在感到震惊之前,先了解事实,特别是如果我们不知道整个情况。
作为一个法国人,如果我们最大的河流完全停止流动,它将会引起很大的躁动,我们会他*的知道的。
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No one knew! Where were all the warning signs? This global crisis came out of no where. There is nothing we could have done about this totally spontaneous, unforseen, absolutely in no way human related extinction level event.
I'm sure it will go away on its own. No reason to change anything. Business as usual.
没人知道!所有的警告信号都在哪里?这场全球危机不知从哪里冒出来的。我们对这个完全自然发生的,不可预见的,绝对不是人为的灭绝水平事件无能为力。
我相信它会自己消失的,没有理由做任何改变,一切照旧。
Lots of climate extremes in general in the US lately. You are absolutely right, a significant number of people here are obsessed with giant trucks and 10k sq ft poorly-built McMansions that cost a fortune to heat/cool, and just cannot comprehend living differently.
We need a major cultural change (and better city planning that doesn't make US cities entirely car-dependent) but I don't think the will to do that will ever happen. Just look at the other responses...
最近美国的气候极端情况很多,你说的完全正确,这里有相当多的人痴迷于巨型卡车和1万平方英尺的拙劣麦克豪宅,这些麦克豪宅需要消耗大量的制热/制冷,无法理解这种生活过的有什么不同。
我们需要一个重大的文化变革(以及更好的城市规划,不会使美国城市完全依赖汽车)但我不认为这个愿望会实现,看看其他类似的回应...
It's the same in the USA. All the dams are on a historical low... But more SUVs and Trucks I guess.
在美国也是一样,所有的水坝都处于历史低点...但却有更高数量的SUV和卡车。
daily reminder that animal agriculture constitutes an enormous waste of water, and it's something you can actually have an effect on
每天提醒人们,畜牧业构成了巨大的水浪费,而你实际上可以对这事产生影响
France is now like Spain 50-60 years ago. You would better start building dams, start saving wáter, and build some desalination plants.
法国现在就像50-60年前的西班牙一样,你最好开始建水坝,开始节约用水,建一些海水淡化厂。
100% of our dam capacity is realized and exploited already. We cannot add more
我们的大坝容许容量100%已经实现和开发,我们不能再增加了。
Flow is not good, at all. It's about to be called a crisis level drought and farmers will be forbidden to irrigate their crops.
If it doesn't rain in the next week or so, it's going to be really tough.
水流量一点也不好, 这将被称为危机级别的干旱,农民将被禁止灌溉他们的庄稼。
如果接下来一周左右不下雨,那就真的很艰难了。
Meanwhile in my coastal city in China it feels like it's rained substantially more this summer than it has l the last 5 years combined,
与此同时,在中国的沿海城市,感觉今年夏天的雨量比过去5年的总和要多得多
Yeah and even in our country things are actually getting disastrous. I fear it’s only a matter of time until some reckless people start a major fire in the kempen region for example.
Nevertheless, when looking to the state of our country last year with the flooding of the vesder river and then now, where said river is almost dry, we know nature is changing due to global warming. Even in our small country that has a mild climate. Hope rain comes soon to us and our European friends.
是啊,即使在我们的国家,事情也变得灾难性了,例如,一些鲁莽的人在肯彭地区纵火,我担心这只是时间问题。
然而,当看看去年维瑟河的洪水和现在,这河流几乎干涸时,我们知道自然界正在因为全球变暖而改变,即使是在我们气候温和的小国。希望雨水很快降临到我们和我们的欧洲朋友身上。
That’s good ole Reddit fear mongering for you.
“OMG GUYS LOOK LOOK A MAJOR RIVER IN FRANCE IS COMPLETELY DRIED UP!!!¡¡! WERE F**KED!!!! MAD MAX! Hur dur.”
God damn foolish clowns. It’s just a drought, calm down.
这对你来说是很好的Reddit散布恐惧。
“天啊,伙计们,看看法国的一条主要河流完全干涸了!!!?!被*了!!!!再疯点!再狂点。”
可恶的的愚蠢小丑,只是干旱,冷静点。
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It's still a major event and this singular image merely exemplifies a huge development across most of Southern Europe right now.
Whenever you show real data showing the amount of droughts across Europe and how much rivers dried up people claim it is fake or don't understand how bad it is, like "Oh, just 2°C warmer? Well, I like it more warm!”
When you show one image people like you will say “It's just ONE image, classic fear mongering”.
Look at any European news. Look at what is happening on our continent. Water for farming is limited EVERYWHERE in France. I live in Germany and even here the rivers in many regions have decreased so much that boats need to either not go at all or limit the amount of supplies put on them, was on national television yesterday.
Same is true for, for example, Nijmegen, Netherlands. Or everywhere in France. It is a HUGE issue. Don't downplay it. A singular drought? No big issue. But reoccurring droughts in higher and higher frequencies for much longer than ever before? Huge, catastrophic issue.
People here aren't scared about this one river, screw that. People know what is happening across Europe and it is a grim reminder of our future.
这仍然是一个重大事件,这个独特的照片只是南欧大部分地区目前的巨大变化的例证。
每当你展示真实的数据,显示整个欧洲的干旱情况和多少河流干涸,人们声称它是假的,或者不明白它有多严重,比如“哦,只是温暖了2°C ?”好吧,我更喜欢温暖!
当你展示一个图像时,像你这样的人就会说:“这只是一个图像,典型的恐惧散布”。
看看欧洲的许多新闻,看看我们大陆正在发生的事情。在法国,农业用水在任何地方都是有限的。我住在德国,甚至在这里,许多地区的河流已经减少得如此之多,以至于船只要么根本不能动,要么限制运输量,昨天在国家电视台还播出的。
例如,荷兰奈梅亨也是如此,或者在法国的任何地方,这都是一个大问题。不要轻描淡写,一个偶然的干旱?没什么大问题。但是,干旱以越来越高的频率在发生,会持续时间比以往任何时候都要长得多吗?灾难性的情况。
这里的人不担心这条河,去他的,人们知道欧洲正在发生什么,这是对我们未来的严峻提醒。
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It's just a f**king period of drought bro. Don't read into it so hard. The Dust Bowl was also a major event, and everything returned to normal after the rain returned. It wasn't a grim reminder of the future back then. It was just a period of no rain lmao, just like this is. It's called nature.
这只是一个可恶的干旱期,兄弟,别这么难理解。沙尘暴也是一件大事,雨后一切恢复正常,现在这并不是对未来的严峻提醒,那只是一段没有雨的时期,笑死宝宝了,就像现在这样,这叫自然。
It is climate change, my guy. It's not just a convenient period of drought like the ones before, the frequency, the temperature levels, the dryness of most of Europe, it has never before been like this.
Anyone that claims otherwise isn't following scientific evidence like the stuff brought forward by NASA or the IPCC. We know why this shit is messed up, don't try to put any spin on this.
这是气候变化,伙计,这不仅仅是一个像以前那样短暂的干旱期,频次,温度水平,欧洲大部分地区的干燥,以前从来没有这样过。
任何声称没这回事的人都没有遵循像NASA或IPCC提出的科学证据。我们知道为什么这他*是糟糕的,别试图在这个问题上打转。
The rhine also doesn't have much water left so no, I'm not going to calm down
莱茵河也没有多少水了,所以不,我不会冷静下来的
When i was working at the uni about 16y ago, we knew this would happen. It was just a matter of time.
16年前我在大学工作的时候,我们就知道会发生这种事,这只是时间问题。
Thats kind of what i said, if this keeps happening more often than not, we are f**ked. But so far its quite ok not good and probably its going to be worst.
我也是这么说的,如果这种事经常发生,我们就完蛋了,但到目前为止,它还可以,不太好,可能会更坏
No, I've taken a look at the satellite photos from a few days ago and on the whole stretch of Loire the level is much lower than a year ago and it does look somewhat dried out in places. I live in Scotland and come from Poland.
不,我看了几天前的卫星照片,在卢瓦尔河的整个地区,水位比一年前低得多,有些地方看起来确实有点干涸。我住在苏格兰,来自波兰。
They'll notice when food shortages come and there's no water coming from the tap, and blackouts start. Which is when they'll start panic buying aggravating the shortages and store water in containers aggravating the drought. It's gonna be covid toilet paper but on a grand scale. You just wait.
他们会发现食物短缺来了,水龙头里没有水,停电开始了,于是他们开始恐慌性购买,加剧了短缺,并将水储存在容器中,加剧了干旱。将发生新冠时抢卫生纸一样的事,但规模很大,你就等着吧。