网民讨论：伊隆·马斯克不会在印度生产特斯拉汽车，因为该国政府禁止销售和维修其电动汽车
Elon Musk won''t manufacture Tesla cars in India because government prohibits selling and servicing of EVs
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5月底一次采访中马斯克透露特斯拉暂时不会在印度生产，令印度网民颇为不满，评论分别来自红迪和福克斯商业新闻
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Elon Musk won't manufacture Tesla cars in India because government prohibits selling and servicing of EVs
Indian leaders have made multiple failed appeals for Musk to bring Tesla to India
埃隆·马斯克不会在印度生产特斯拉汽车，因为该国政府禁止销售和维修其电动汽车
印度领导人此前曾多次呼吁马斯克将特斯拉带到印度，但都失败了
Indian leaders have made multiple failed appeals for Musk to bring Tesla to India
埃隆·马斯克不会在印度生产特斯拉汽车，因为该国政府禁止销售和维修其电动汽车
印度领导人此前曾多次呼吁马斯克将特斯拉带到印度，但都失败了
Landon Mion FOXBusiness
May 29
作者： 兰顿·米昂 福克斯商业新闻
5月29日
May 29
作者： 兰顿·米昂 福克斯商业新闻
5月29日
Tesla CEO Elon Musk said the company will not manufacture cars in India if the country does not allow it to sell and service its electric vehicles.
When asked by a Twitter user Friday if Tesla would be manufacturing a plant in India in the future, Musk said the move cannot happen under the country's current rules.
"Tesla will not put a manufacturing plant in any location where we are not allowed first to sell & service cars," Musk tweeted.
The team Musk hired in India last year has since been instructed to focus on the Middle East and the larger Asia-Pacific markets.
特斯拉首席执行官埃隆·马斯克表示，如果印度不允许其销售和维修电动汽车，该公司将不会在印度生产汽车。
周五，当一名推特用户询问特斯拉未来是否会考虑在印度建立生产厂时，马斯克表示，根据该国现行的规定，此举不太可能发生。
“特斯拉不会在不允许我们首先能进行销售和维修汽车的任何地方建立制造工厂，”马斯克在推特上写道。
马斯克去年在印度聘请的团队已被指示专注于中东地区和更大的亚太市场。
When asked by a Twitter user Friday if Tesla would be manufacturing a plant in India in the future, Musk said the move cannot happen under the country's current rules.
"Tesla will not put a manufacturing plant in any location where we are not allowed first to sell & service cars," Musk tweeted.
The team Musk hired in India last year has since been instructed to focus on the Middle East and the larger Asia-Pacific markets.
特斯拉首席执行官埃隆·马斯克表示，如果印度不允许其销售和维修电动汽车，该公司将不会在印度生产汽车。
周五，当一名推特用户询问特斯拉未来是否会考虑在印度建立生产厂时，马斯克表示，根据该国现行的规定，此举不太可能发生。
“特斯拉不会在不允许我们首先能进行销售和维修汽车的任何地方建立制造工厂，”马斯克在推特上写道。
马斯克去年在印度聘请的团队已被指示专注于中东地区和更大的亚太市场。
Musk's comments come as the Indian government has yet to accept his demand to reduce import duties on Tesla cars.
Indian leaders have made multiple failed appeals for Musk to bring Tesla to India.
"Our request to him is to come to India and manufacture here. We have no problems. The vendors are available, we offer all kinds of technology and because of that, Musk can reduce the cost," Road Transport and Highways Minister Nitin Gadkari said during the Raisina Dialogue 2022 conference last month, according to TribuneIndia.com.
马斯克发表上述言论之际，印度政府尚未接受他降低进口特斯拉汽车关税的要求。
印度领导人多次呼吁马斯克将特斯拉工厂带到印度，但都失败了。
据印度论坛报报道，在上个月举行的“瑞辛纳对话2022”会议期间，公路运输和公路部长尼廷·加德卡里表示：“我们对他的要求是来到印度并在这里生产。我们没有问题。这儿有供应商，我们能够提供各种技术，因此，马斯克可以降低成本，”
Indian leaders have made multiple failed appeals for Musk to bring Tesla to India.
"Our request to him is to come to India and manufacture here. We have no problems. The vendors are available, we offer all kinds of technology and because of that, Musk can reduce the cost," Road Transport and Highways Minister Nitin Gadkari said during the Raisina Dialogue 2022 conference last month, according to TribuneIndia.com.
马斯克发表上述言论之际，印度政府尚未接受他降低进口特斯拉汽车关税的要求。
印度领导人多次呼吁马斯克将特斯拉工厂带到印度，但都失败了。
据印度论坛报报道，在上个月举行的“瑞辛纳对话2022”会议期间，公路运输和公路部长尼廷·加德卡里表示：“我们对他的要求是来到印度并在这里生产。我们没有问题。这儿有供应商，我们能够提供各种技术，因此，马斯克可以降低成本，”
"India is a huge market and offers good export opportunities too. Musk can export Tesla cars from India," he added.
Gadkari said in February that Musk must first manufacture in India before Tesla cars can be driven on the roads.
“印度是一个巨大的市场，也提供了良好的出口机会。马斯克可以从印度出口特斯拉汽车，”他补充说。
加德卡里在 2 月份表示，马斯克必须首先在印度生产，然后特斯拉汽车才能被允许上路行驶。
Gadkari said in February that Musk must first manufacture in India before Tesla cars can be driven on the roads.
“印度是一个巨大的市场，也提供了良好的出口机会。马斯克可以从印度出口特斯拉汽车，”他补充说。
加德卡里在 2 月份表示，马斯克必须首先在印度生产，然后特斯拉汽车才能被允许上路行驶。
Musk had tweeted in January that he could not release Tesla vehicles in India yet due to "challenges with the government." And last summer, the billionaire posted to Twitter that he would like to launch Teslas in India, but the country's import duties are "the highest in the world by far of any large country."
India currently levies a 100% tax on imported vehicles costing more than $40,000, inclusive of insurance and shipping expenses. Cars that cost less than $40,000 face a 60% import tax.
马斯克在一月份发推文称，由于存在“与（印度）政府的博弈”，他还不能在印度发布特斯拉汽车。去年夏天，这位亿万富翁在推特上发帖称，他希望在印度推出特斯拉，但该国的进口关税是“迄今为止世界上所有大国中最高的”。
印度目前对价值超过 40,000 美元的进口车辆征收 100% 的税，包括保险和运输费用。价格低于 40,000 美元的汽车则面临 60% 的进口税。
India currently levies a 100% tax on imported vehicles costing more than $40,000, inclusive of insurance and shipping expenses. Cars that cost less than $40,000 face a 60% import tax.
马斯克在一月份发推文称，由于存在“与（印度）政府的博弈”，他还不能在印度发布特斯拉汽车。去年夏天，这位亿万富翁在推特上发帖称，他希望在印度推出特斯拉，但该国的进口关税是“迄今为止世界上所有大国中最高的”。
印度目前对价值超过 40,000 美元的进口车辆征收 100% 的税，包括保险和运输费用。价格低于 40,000 美元的汽车则面临 60% 的进口税。
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Guy is busy shitposting on twitter he doesn’t care whether his cars sell in india or not
这家伙忙着在推特上发帖，他压根儿不在乎他的车在印度卖不卖
Tbh Tesla won't sell in India where 99.9% people can't simply afford it. There's a reason Maruti makes only cheap cars, because they sell. India is so poor it's beyond the comprehension of metro city living folks like us.
The rest 0.1 or 0.2% people can get it imported if they really need it.
老实说，特斯拉不会在 99.9% 的人都买不起的印度销售。马鲁蒂只生产廉价汽车是有原因的，因为它们很畅销。印度是如此贫穷，以至于像我们这样的城市生活人士无法理解。
如果剩下的 0.1% 或 0.2% 的人真的需要（特斯拉），他们可以买进口车。
India does not prohibit. It has import duties across the board.
If we didn't have local EV, it might've make some sense to make some exceptions for EV given environmental benefits. But local players are filling that demand, and Tesla would be more expensive.
Grapes are sour.
印度没有禁止特斯拉。它只是全面征收进口关税。
如果我们没有本地电动汽车，考虑到环境效益，为电动汽车做一些例外可能是有意义的。但印度本地企业正在满足这一需求，而特斯拉的价格会更高。
葡萄是酸的。
Lol, living in the fools paradise aren't you?
The tech that Tesla offers along with reliability is way out of the league of the current local EV manufacturers.
I think, it is a case of sour grapes, although not for Elon, but maybe you?
大笑，你就生活在傻瓜的天堂里不是吗？
特斯拉提供的技术以及可靠性远远超出了当前任何印度本地电动汽车制造商的水平。
我认为，这正好是一个酸葡萄的例子，虽然不是埃隆，但也许是你？
我对此没有任何明智的看法。我只是在这里说操埃隆·马斯克。
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Did you lose money in dog coin?
你是在狗狗币上亏钱了吗？
I think its good for India. Firstly, most(>95%) people do not have enough money to buy a Tesla, even if prices go down due to local manufacturing. Its sort of like the iPhone, it's a super luxury product(even after local manufacturing or assembling). Second, I don't find a legit connection between ability to sell and service cars vs manufacturing them, the only things I can think of is he wants to "test" the Indian market by importing or he is ashamed to admit, that Indians cannot afford a Tesla. They are 2 totally different aspects. The government is ready to provide incentives to manufacture locally, if he feels they aren't enough he is free to negotiate those terms. We are in a lucky situation where we can say "fine we don't need you". Unlike phones, where we had to rely on Chinese imports since Apple and Samsung(in the early days) was not ready to manufacture here, we have a very promising EV industry locally. Minister Gadkari has shown personal interest in working with EV and more importantly Hydrogen cars. There are 4 good things about hydrogen:
There is a large push by Japan towards hydrogen, especially Toyota. Since we have a good working relationship with them and most importantly factories for these companies already exist in India, it is easy to repurpose them for Hydrogen cars.
We have a good local CNG/LPG cylinder industry in India, H2 uses a similar concept for storage. The problem with our CNG "packaging" industries is the cost of the gas itself, manufacturing the cylinders is cheap.
There is less infrastructure burden for setting up H2 stations as compared to EV stations, we can repurpose some of our petrol pumps. I've heard a lot of arguments against this saying, "Dude for H2 you need a separate pump and storage infra, for EV you just need a socket and electricity, every petrol station has that". It's not that simple. Yes EV charging only requires sockets but the bigger problem is space. A average sized petrol station can fill up ~100 cars or more in an hour. An EV station would require 10x more space for parking and since charging is not done quickly they stick around for ~30mins, whereas for petrol is 5min, fill up and go. Also, most petrol stations have a CNG alternative and thus have facility to store cylinders for H2 if needed. Also, H2 fills up wayyy faster.
Climate change: EV stations would put a massive burden on our electricity grid which isn't in the best of shape. Since we rely heavily on coal for most of it, we would make our climate change goals even worse.
我认为这对印度有好处。首先，大多数（>95%）印度人没有足够的钱购买特斯拉，即使价格因本地生产而下降。它有点像 iPhone，是一款超级奢侈品（即使在本地生产或组装之后）。其次，我没有发现销售和维修汽车与制造汽车的能力之间存在合理的联系，我唯一能想到的是他想通过进口汽车来“测试”印度市场，或者他羞于承认，印度人买不起特斯拉。它们是完全不同的两个方面。政府准备为本地生产提供激励措施，如果他觉得这些激励措施还不够，他可以自由协商这些条款。我们很幸运，我们可以说“好吧，我们不需要你”。不同于手机，由于苹果和三星（早期）还没有准备好在这里生产，我们将不得不依赖中国进口，我们在当地拥有非常有前途的电动汽车产业。相对于电动汽车，加德卡里部长对氢能汽车合作表现出了更重要的个人兴趣。氢气有4个好处：
日本正在大力推动氢能源，尤其是丰田。由于我们与他们有良好的工作关系，最重要的是这些公司的工厂已经在印度存在，很容易将它们重新用于氢能汽车。
我们在印度有一个很好的本地天然气/液化气钢瓶行业，氢气使用类似的概念进行存储。我们的压缩天然气“包装”行业的问题是气体本身的成本，气瓶制造很便宜。
与充电桩相比，设置加氢站的基础设施负担更少，我们可以重新利用我们的一些燃油加油站。我听到过很多反对这句话的论据，“老兄，氢能源你需要一个单独的加氢站和存储基础设施，对于充电桩，你只需要一个通上电的插座，每个加油站都有”。事情没那么简单，是的，电动汽车充电只需要插座，但更大的问题是空间。一个普通大小的加油站可以在一小时内加满约 100 辆汽车或更多。一个电动汽车站需要多出 10 倍的停车空间，而且由于充电速度不快，它们必须停留约 30 分钟，而汽油只需要 5 分钟，加油即可。此外，大多数加油站都有加液化气的替代装置，因此可以在需要时储存氢气钢瓶。此外，氢气的填充速度更快。
气候变化：电动汽车充电站会给我们状态不佳的电网带来巨大负担。由于我们大部分时间都严重依赖煤炭，我们会让我们的气候变化目标变得更糟。
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They won't and Tesla seriously don't care. Indian market is not worth it to fight for it, not yet, Elon Musk knows that.
They're busy capturing the China, Europe and North America market and they've got a lot of room to grow before they worry about insignificant market like India.
他们不会，特斯拉真的不在乎。印度市场不值得为它而战，至少目前还没有，埃隆马斯克知道这一点。
它们正忙于占领中国、欧洲和北美市场，在他们担心像印度这样微不足道的市场之前，他们有很大的增长空间。
In short he wants subsidies from Government same he gets from US gov. Tesla will tank in a day without huge subsidies it gets from various governments.
简而言之，他希望从政府获得补贴，就像他从美国政府获得的一样。如果没有各国政府的巨额补贴，特斯拉将在一天内陷入困境。
IDC, hate him anyways.
谁在乎，反正讨厌他就是了。
He’s doing a fine job. I wouldn’t change processes of my company either and give up control like that.
他做得很好。我也不会改变我公司的流程并放弃这样的控制权。
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Tesla needs to see if EV will be success in India prior to committing large investments . India does not have excess electricity nor it has the infrastructure of superchargers . The roads are not compatible for Tesla’s main feature Autopilot .
How do you expect him to invest money without testing the playing field ?
特斯拉需要先看看电动汽车能否在印度取得成功，然后再进行大规模投资。印度没有多余的电力，也没有充电基础设施，道路也不兼容特斯拉的主要自动驾驶功能。
你怎么期望他在不测试竞争环境的情况下投资？
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I'm not sure launching an expensive car in India with those kinds is a wise idea. It's compounded if you read between the lines with what the government is saying. They seem to want Elon to pay for the infrastructure.
I'll bet if he did, the government would later break it up as a monopoly.
Seems like bad business to go there at this time.
我不确定在印度推出具有这些价格昂贵的汽车是一个明智的主意。 如果你从字里行间解读印度政府所说的话，情况会更加复杂。 他们似乎希望埃隆为基础设施买单。 我敢打赌，如果他这样做了，政府后来会以垄断的名义打击它。
在这个时候去那里似乎不是明智之举。
India will make cheap unreliable Tesla knockoff clones….. watch!
印度将制造廉价、不可靠的特斯拉仿冒品……注意！
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Tesla's biggest problem in India is lack of reliable electricity of sufficient quantity.
特斯拉在印度的最大问题是缺乏足够数量的可靠电力。
Untrue. The electricity supply in any major Indian metropolis is more reliable than that of any US cities.
不真实。印度任何一个主要大城市的电力供应都比美国任何一个城市的电力供应都要可靠。
Replying to lordofthering
First.. what is a metropolice? Second, you are incorrect on the reliability issue. Been there and to most US large cities. I have never faced an outage in the US but I have spent some really bad nights in Delhi, Mumbai, Kolkata, and others due to a lack of electricity to keep the ac running. Plus, they have an air pollution issue beyond belief.
首先..什么是大城市？其次，你在可靠性问题上不正确。我去过那里以及大多数的美国大城市。在美国从未遇到过停电，但我在德里、孟买、加尔各答和其他地方度过了一些非常糟糕的夜晚，因为电网缺乏电力来保持运行。此外，他们还有一个令人难以置信的空气污染问题。
India continues to build coal plants, with minimal pollution controls.
印度正在继续建造煤电厂，污染控制措施极少。
India's bigger problem is the corruption. The government officials just want some big bribes for permission to be granted.
印度更大的问题是腐败。 政府官员只是想要一些大笔贿赂才能获得许可。
India is also supporting Russian oil. GO FISH.
印度也在支持俄罗斯的石油。所以想都别想！
If India's laws do not permit the sale and service of electric vehicles then what advantage is it for the company to manufacture them there? Obviously India's government wants nothing more than to employ more of their citizens, boost exports, and collect more taxes. Musk's refusal to build in India under current government regulations and conditions is absolutely correct.
如果印度的法律不允许电动汽车的销售和服务，那么该公司在那里生产电动汽车有什么优势？ 显然，印度政府只想雇用更多的用工，促进出口，征收更多的税款。 马斯克拒绝在当前政府法规和条件下在印度建厂是绝对正确的。
"India's government wants nothing more than to employ more of their citizens, boost exports, and collect more taxes". I should hope so. That is the proper job of every government.
“印度政府只想雇佣更多的公民，促进出口，征收更多的税收”。 我应该希望如此。 这是每个政府应尽的职责。
Yes, but a private business can decide for itself whether or not it wants to operate under a certain government's conditions.
没错，但是私营企业应该可以自行决定是否要在政府的特定条件下运营。
They get the benefit of cheaper labor and more local parts, but its more of an issue of quality service.
India isn't known for its quality service, its why we started moving call centers back to America and why Boeing now has planes crashing due to software errors.
他们从更便宜的劳动力和更多本地零件中受益，但更多的是优质服务的问题。
印度并不以其优质的服务而闻名，这也是我们开始将呼叫中心迁回美国的原因以及波音公司现在因软件错误导致飞机坠毁的原因。
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Their smog makes LA look like Fiji. Look at how subpar the quality of many things from there already is like customer service farmed out
他们那儿的烟尘让使洛杉矶看起来也像斐济（那么清新）。 看看那里的生产的许多东西质量有多差，就像客户服务外包一样
Not just smog but the fifth everywhere. Add that to people taking a dump in the street while traffic passes, you get the gist
不只是烟尘，到处都是雾霾。 再加上人们在交通时在街上乱扔垃圾，你就明白了
To be fair we have hundreds of thousands of people taking a dump and living in tents in the streets of America! Thank you democrats for years of poor policies that has hollowed out our economy.
公平地说，我们也有成千上万的人在美国街头倾倒垃圾并住在帐篷里！ 感谢民主党多年来导致我们经济空心化的糟糕政策。
Oh, you mean like San Francisco or Los Angeles!
哦，你的意思是像旧金山或洛杉矶！
Sounds like San Francisco.
听起来更像旧金山。
We are discussing India...
我们正在讨论印度...
Tesla is unlikely to be successful without government support. The Indian government doesn't really care about pollution.
没有政府的支持，特斯拉不太可能取得成功。 印度政府并不真正关心污染。
Neither does the American government except as a political ploy.
美国政府也没有，除非是作为一种政治策略。
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India is very good at one thing: stealing money from old people via phone scams.
印度非常擅长一件事：通过电话诈骗从老年人那里偷钱。
One of the two most polluted countries in the world. The other one used to be Mexico.
世界上两个污染最严重的国家之一。 另一个曾经是墨西哥。
India may not be a good market. The most popular car there is Suzuki, which is well known for its motorcycles and mini cars. Local brand Tata sells for $2000. Tata Nano will come to the US in 3 years' time. Very small car. 58mpg.
印度可能不是一个好的市场。那里最受欢迎的汽车是铃木，它以摩托车和迷你小型车而闻名。本地品牌塔塔售价只有 2000 美元。Tata Nano 将在 3 年后来到美国。很小的车。每加仑油能跑58英里。
The question is. Is the export up to U.S. road standards? Most cars made in India either don't meet seat belt, frx collision or smog standards.
问题是。这东西出口到美国是否符合道路标准？大多数印度制造的汽车都不符合安全带、车架碰撞或排放标准。
The Tata is a cheap death trap that won't pass government regulations.
塔塔是一个廉价的死亡陷阱，不可能通过（美国）政府法规。
Build a car that runs on curry.
（印度人）生产出了一辆靠咖喱运行的汽车
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The Tata Nano didn't do too well either in India.
Tata Nano 即使在印度表现也不好。
100% tariffs! Also, India does not have the infrastructure and much less the capacity for charging stations. A large proportion of India's population is poor; 73%. Family ties in their social structure along with unskilled increasing population all limit India's potential. Compound that with pollution and the issues remain.
100%关税！此外，印度没有基础设施，更没有充电站的容量。印度的制造业规模蓬勃发展，但相比之下，印度人口中的大部分——73%是低于贫困线的。社会结构中的家庭关系以及非熟练的人口增长都限制了印度的潜力。再加上环境污染问题依然存在。
India will not allow any free and open economic exchanges that could alter the social stratification of the caste system. Like Marxo-Democrats in America who hate the idea of competition maybe opening up opportunities for people they cannot control getting ahead in life, the Indian government seems to crave a more authoritarian control of economics. But most of Asia is like that, due to long term cultural conditioning to like being told what to do.
印度不会允许任何可能改变种姓制度社会分层的自由和开放的经济交流。就像美国的马克思民主主义者讨厌竞争的想法，他们可能会为他们无法控制的人在生活中取得成功提供机会，印度政府似乎渴望对经济进行更专制的控制。但亚洲大部分地区都是这样，由于长期的文化条件，喜欢被告知该做什么。