网友讨论：为什么韩国老人那么贫穷？
Why South Korea's Seniors Are So Poor
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网友：作为韩国人，我可以证明韩国老年人贫困现象是真实存在的。《鱿鱼游戏》中所指出的问题也很真实，或许有点戏剧化，但都是真的
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网友讨论：为什么韩国老人那么贫穷？
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As a South Korean, I can attest that elder poverty is a very REAL Problem. The issues pointed out in squid game are very real as well. Perhaps a bit dramatized in the show, but real nevertheless.
作为韩国人，我可以证明韩国老年人贫困现象是真实存在的。《鱿鱼游戏》中所指出的问题也很真实，或许有点戏剧化，但都是真的
I agree. I am also korean and very proud of Korea, but that doesn't mean Korea is a perfect nation. The poverty gap in korea is getting worse.
我同意你的看法，我也是韩国人，为韩国感到非常的骄傲，但这并不意味着韩国就是一个完美的国家，韩国的贫富差距正变得越来越大
one of the major factors that's stopping young Koreans to provide sufficient financial support to the elderly is the rapidly rising cost of living. In SK, everything is concentrated in Seoul, the best companies, the best colleges, the best health care systems, the best infrastructures and so on. so when young Koreans graduate from colleges, everyone crams into Seoul, with large population, housing price and rents become crazy expensive. after paying housing expensive and other living expensive such as food, clothe and travel, young people barely have anything left, let alone supporting the elderly. one of Pres. Moon Jae-in's biggest campaign promise was to control the rising housing cost in Korea, but he didn't do a whole lot, and now he is no longer president. XD
韩国年轻人无法继续为老人提供经济支持的主要原因之一是韩国的生活成本正大幅上升。在韩国，所有资源都集中在了首尔，最好的企业，最好的大学，最好的医疗系统，最好的基础设施等都在首尔。所以年轻人大学一毕业就会涌向首尔，由于首尔人口太多，结果导致这里的房价和租金变得极其昂贵。在支付了住房和其他生活费用之后（例如吃穿和旅行），年轻人自己都几乎所剩无几了，更不用说赡养老人了。文在寅总统所作的最大的竞选承诺之一就是控制不断上涨的房价，但他在这个问题上做的事情并不多，现在他已经不是总统了
Similar thing is in Russia: life tends to concentrate in big cities, so real estate prices are sky high there. But I think the problem is mostly in people's minds. They still think the life is only worth living when you live in Moscow, but I live 20 km off the city limits and still in only an hour from the center of Moscow because of suburban electric train.
Korean train system is at least as good as ours, I believe, so why don't those students live in the suburbs?
俄罗斯也有类似的问题：人们都倾向于集中到大城市生活，所以大城市的房产价格才会高出天际。但我认为问题主要出在人们的心里。人们依然认为只有生活在莫斯科才有意义，但我住在距离市区20公里的地方，只要坐一个小时的火车就可以抵达莫斯科市中心。
我相信韩国的火车系统至少不会比我们差，所以那些学生为什么不住在郊区呢
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He was pretty bad at getting anything done
他不擅长解决任何问题
Why Korean government didn't disperse development to all across the country especially to the countryside area, instead of just concentrating them in Seoul only?
为什么韩国政府只集中发展首尔地区，而不将全国各地，尤其是农村地区都发展起来呢？
Isn't Busan area one of the most developed as well?
釜山不也是最发达的地区之一吗
@Chinguun Erdenebadrakh the population density between Busan and Seoul is not even close. if i remember correctly, in 2021, the total population of Busan metro was only somewhere around 2.8 to 3 million. but at the same time, the total population at Seoul metro is around 11 million.
釜山的人口密度远远比不上首尔。如果我没有记错的话，在2021年，釜山的总人口只有280万到300万左右，但同时期的首尔总人口为1100万左右
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@Василий Коровин i'm not too fimilar with Moscow, but when you look at other huge Asian cities like Tokyo and Shanghai, the entire metro is expensive. i guess you could live very far away from the city, but that means you give up on amenities, like bars, restaurants, shopping malls, and other things. for young couples with kids, they also want to live closer to the city, because that's where all the good public schools are.
我对莫斯科的情况不是很了解，但只要看看亚洲其他大城市，如东京和上海就会发现整个城市的房价都很高。我想你或许住的离城市非常的远，但这意味着你需要放弃很多的便利设施，如酒吧，餐厅，购物中心和其他设施。对于有孩子的年轻夫妇来说，他们也想住的离城市近一些，因为那里有很多好的公立学校
Why are people not looking for another cities which are not that expensive?
为什么人们不去生活成本较低的其他城市呢
i guess this is a common issue around the world too :( same situation in Malaysia
我想世界各地也存在这样的问题，马来西亚同样也有这样的情况
@Bappa Rawal the total GDP output of Korea is 1.8 trillion nominal in 2021, Seoul a single city produced 384 billion in the same period. that's 22% of the entire country's GDP. so technically you could move to some small city in Korea, but you probably won't have a job, or a very bad job. LOL.
韩国2021年的名义GDP是1.8万亿美元，同年仅首尔市的GDP就有3840亿美元，占韩国GDP总额的22%。所以从技术上来说，你可以搬到韩国的小城市生活，但或许你会找不到工作，或者只能找到一个不怎么样的工作。哈哈
reminds me of my country Indonesia, where everything is centralized in Java, particulary Jakarta making the island the most populated island in the world because every indonesian come to Java/Jakarta hoping for better life. scary to think what kind of situation we'll be facing in the next 20-30 years if we do nothing about it.
这让我想起了我的国家印尼，在印尼所有的资源都集中到了爪洼，尤其是雅加达，这让爪洼岛成为了世界上人口最多的岛屿，因为每个印尼人都跑到了爪洼岛/雅加达以寻求更好的生活，如果我们不采取行动的话，二三十年之后我们将要面临何种情形，想到这就让人感到害怕
the gov tried to fix housing numerous times, but the market wasn’t easy to control
政府曾多次试图解决住房问题，但市场很难控制
@Donguk Shin I agree with you. There are also many external factors beyond the control of any government.
我同意你的看法，而且还存在很多任何政府都无法控制的外部因素
It is also important to save up money... invest, and most importantly, there should be a safety net provided by Government
存钱也很重要，要进行投资，最重要的是，政府应该为人民提供安全保障
@S Y while it is true that London is the centre of UK, only very few top universities in UK are based there.
I think Korea need to look at USA, Germany, or Italy. Top universities are dispersed throughout the country
虽然伦敦是英国的中心，但坐落在伦敦的顶级大学并不多
我认为韩国需要向美国德国或者意大利学习，应该将顶级大学分散到全国各地
You also gotta consider the a lot of young Koreans tend to spend money on nonessential stuff, like expensive clothing, shoes and electronics. A lot of young Koreans go into debt, making their parents having to help pay for what they owe
你还必须考虑到很多年轻的韩国人倾向于将钱花在了很多不必要的东西上，比如昂贵的衣服，鞋子和电子产品。很多年轻人因此陷入债务之中，使得他们的父母不得不帮助他们还债。
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I feel the "crammed into the major city" issue is common in a lot of countries.
我觉得很多国家都存在人口向大城市涌入的问题。
@Chinguun Erdenebadrakh Pusan is a tourist destination and a trading port, but hardly industrial/economic center that can attract young people
釜山是旅游胜地，是韩国的贸易港口，但几乎无法成为可以吸引年轻人的产业/经济中心
I lived in South Korea for a year, and yes the street food vendors were all operated by elderly women. Very nice and the food was tasty, but yeah the competition between them was stiff and their prices were quite low.
我在韩国生活了一年，的确街头小吃摊都是老年妇女在经营，味道非常的好，但她们之间的竞争很激烈，所以价格都非常地低
Its interesting that they were able to make such large cuts to the pensions. In the US the older people are the ones with the highest voting turn out, so its very difficult to touch their benefits
有趣的是他们竟然可以大幅度的削减养老金，在美国老年人的投票率是最高的，所以很难触碰他们的利益
Being a Korean is a really tough! They have been working very hard in order to make their life wealthier and happier after the Korean War. Thanks to their strenuous efforts, retirees have to live from hand to mouth. In addition, Korean people are facing a military threat from hostile neighbor, and young Korean people have to enter military service. Harsh entrance examination race also cast dark shadow on young Koreans. In spite of their great efforts, a lot of Korean people cannot enjoy happiness, and no wonder some Korean people call their nation as "Hell Chosun".
做一个韩国人真的很难。在朝鲜战争后，他们非常努力的工作，就是为了可以让生活变得更加富裕幸福。但就算努力工作，退休之后也只能过着仅能糊口的生活。而且韩国人还要面对敌对邻国的军事威胁，年轻韩国人不得不去服兵役。残酷的高考竞赛给韩国年轻人留下了阴影。尽管非常的努力，但很多韩国人依然过的不幸福，难怪一些韩国人将自己的国家叫做地狱朝鲜
In Japan, the inflation rate has remained low for a long time, and prices are stable, making it a good place to live for old people with savings. Not good for the economy, though.
日本的通货膨胀率长期以来一直保持在低水平，物价非常稳定，对于有存款的老年人来说是理想的生活国度，但低通胀对经济发展不利
It`s a matter of relativity. Japanese elders could live a relatively better life if compared with Korean counterparts, but a lot of younger Japanese have a pessimistic view about their retirement life due to an aging society of fewer children. They are concered whether they could receive enough pension after retirement.
日本老年人生活较好只是相对而言。和韩国老年人相比，日本老人生活相对较好，但由于在老龄化社会下，出生人口越老越少，使得很多日本年轻人对未来的退休生活持悲观态度。他们对退休后能否得到足够的退休金感到担忧
This will be the situation in the U.K. in 10 years time. The private pensions are pretty useless unless you are a millionaire.
英国十年后也会出现这样的情况。除非你是百万富翁，否则私人养老金并没有什么用
You have to also realize that most of these people grew up before the 1980’s when it was in a military dictatorship. They barely even had time to try and build wealth for the future :/
你也必须意识到大部分这些人早在上世纪80年代之前就已经长大成人了（当时韩国实行军事独裁统治）。他们几乎没有时间为未来积累财富
I live in korea and I live in a high rise apartment tower... the people across the street (like just a few meters) do not have running water. I see so many ladies picking cardboard out of trash ... it breaks my heart. Some people do love to work but some must work and that hurts.
我在韩国生活，我住在高层公寓里，街对面的人们（只有几米远）连自来水都没有，我看到很多女人在垃圾堆中捡硬纸板，这让我感到心碎。一些人是因为热爱才去工作，但一些人是不得不工作，这真是让人伤心
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Koreans are aware of this I’m sure they will address the situation. The elderly are respected in Korea and I’m sure they will find a way to improve things for them.
韩国人现在已经认识到了这个问题，我肯定他们会解决这个问题的，在韩国老年人受到人们的尊重，我相信他们会想办法提高他们的生活
in Korea, age discrimination in the workplace is rampant and companies start getting ready to fire you around when you turn 50.
在韩国的职场上，年龄歧视非常严重，在你50岁左右的时候，公司就会开始准备把你解雇掉
Houses in korea/seoul are very expensive, thus most people have a "small" house.
韩国首尔的房价很高，所以大部分人的房子都很小
Same problem seems to appear in Singapore as well
似乎新加坡也有同样的问题
One thing not mentioned is the relatively higher prence of lookism and ageism in Korean society. Potential employees are often not hired because they are not attractive enough or not young enough.
有一点没有被提到，那就是在韩国社会外貌歧视和年龄歧视的现象相对来说更加普遍。本来有可能被雇佣的员工往往会因为不够有吸引力或不够年轻而没有被雇佣。
South Korea is such a wealthy country. Surely this could be easily solved by just redistributing the wealth a little more equally.
韩国是一个如此富裕的国家，只要在分配财富的时候更加公平一些，这些问题肯定很容易得到解决
But the politics in South Korea blocks any wealth redistrubution. South Koreans working class people will become poorer than their Japanese counterparts in 5-10 years.
但韩国政治阻碍了财富的再分配，五到十年后韩国的工人阶级会比日本的工人阶级更穷
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