以色列的铁穹系统是世界上最好的反导系统之一吗？
Is Israel''s Iron Dome system one of the best anti-missile system in the world? What do America, Russia, and China have?
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所以回答原始的问题：不，铁穹不是一个很好的反导系统，它是一个反火箭防御系统。
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所以回答原始的问题：不，铁穹不是一个很好的反导系统，它是一个反火箭防御系统。
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, Lived in China for 20 years
We don’t, because we don't need it. We are not engaged with a rival like Hamas.
Iron Dome is NOT an anti-missile system, it’s an anti-rocket system. It’s extremely short ranged, and not capable to deal with more advanced threats. America, Russia and China all have much more capable air-defense systems designed to counter much more serious threats.
我们没有，因为我们不需要，我们没有与哈马斯这样的对手打交道。
铁穹系统不是反导弹系统，而是反火箭系统。它的射程非常近，无法应对更高级的威胁。美国、俄罗斯和中国都拥有更强大的，旨在应对更严重的威胁的防空系统。
Sam Steingold
, Professional Mathematician, Amateur historian.
No other country has anything like Iron Dome, and no other country will ever have anything like that because no other country will ever need one.
Any other country, e.g., US, Russia, China, India, when faced with the same threat Israel faces, i.e., a close neighbor shooting low-tech projectiles at its population, will simply exterminate the neighbor.
Since it is generally considered in the UN that killing a Jew is not a crime, but a Jew defending himself is, Israel cannot deal with Hamas the way Russia dealt with Chechens and US with Taliban.
没有其他国家有像“铁穹”这样的东西，也没有其他国家会有这样的东西，因为其他国家不需要它。
任何其他的国家，如美国、俄罗斯、中国、印度，当面临以色列面临的同样威胁（即一个近邻向其人民发射低技术的火箭弹时）时，他们可以出兵将其消灭掉。
由于联合国普遍认为杀害犹太人不是犯罪，而犹太人保护自己才是犯罪，所以以色列无法像俄罗斯对付车臣人和美国对付塔利班那样对付哈马斯。
Pablo Sampedro Ruiz
, PhD Chemistry & Physical Chemistry, Nanyang Technological University (2020)
Anti-missile systems are not a workable defense method for almost all real cases, that is why they were never proposed in the cold war instead of the strategy of mutual assured destruction. This is because the country in the side of the defense has such a huge handicap that as long as his enemy has a comparable amount of resources as he does, he will lose every time. You can spend some money to design an anti-missile system that intercepts the missiles of your enemy, and your enemy will only have to spend a fraction of a fraction of that money to make it useless.
In the case of Israel it makes sense because Israel is a small country and it has wide more resources than Palestine. I believe someone here said that Israel anti-missile system has 300,000 missiles, while Palestine only has about 35,000. In that case, an anti-missile system can make sense. I think it could also work to defend South Corea from an attack from the North. But for big sized countries like the US, Russia or China, they are completely useless. The threat of retaliation is the only workable defense strategy in that case.
反导系统对于几乎所有的实际情况都不是一种可行的防御手段，这就是为什么它们在冷战中从未被提出，取而代之的是相互保证毁灭的战略。这是因为处于防守地位的国家有着巨大的不利条件，只要他的敌人拥有与他相当的资源，他每次都会失败。你可以花一些钱来设计一个拦截敌人导弹的反导弹系统，而你的敌人只需要花这些钱的一小部分就可以让它变得毫无用处。
就以色列而言，这是有道理的，因为以色列是一个小国，它比巴勒斯坦拥有更多的资源。我相信这里有人会说，以色列的反导系统拥有30万枚导弹，而巴勒斯坦只有大约3.5万枚。在这种情况下，反导系统是有意义的，我认为它也可以保护南韩免受来自北方的攻击。但对于美国、俄罗斯或中国这样的大国来说，它们是完全无用的。在这种情况下，威胁报复是唯一可行的防御策略。
Anonymous
Ys, it is the best anti-missile system, with current technology in the world.
America, Russia and China do NOT have.
India has developed a prototype and Israel is helping to get it ready.
India needs to protect its border with Pakistan and China, so it has become imperative to have this kind of weapon in its military arsenal.
BTW Note : India had NOT condemned the current 2021 bombing of Gaza by Israel. This shows the tacit understanding and cooperation between India and Israel.
Also Israel needed to test this system on some place (read Gaza) to teach a lesson to the muslim world and its underground terrorist activities.
是的，它是世界上最先进的反导系统。
美国、俄罗斯和中国都没有。
印度已经开发了一个原型，以色列正在帮助提供准备。
印度需要保护与巴基斯坦和中国的边境，因此在其军火库中拥有这种武器已成为当务之急。
顺便说一句：印度没有谴责以色列2021年对加沙的轰炸，这表明了印度和以色列之间的默契与合作。
以色列还需要在某个地方（比如加沙）测试这一系统，以便给穆斯林世界及其地下恐怖活动上一课。
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David Liu, master Economics & History (2000)
lol…iron dome is only useful to hold low~tech/primitive/short~range RPG/rockets from weak enemies like Arabia militias. it can not hold real missles…
in a war USA/Russia/china are involved in, Iron dome and its command center would be razed in minutes by longer range missles/smart bombs.
哈哈…铁穹只对从弱小的敌人如阿拉伯民兵手中的低技术/原始/短程RPG/火箭有用，它拦截不了真正的导弹…
在美国/俄罗斯/中国卷入的战争中，“铁穹”及其指挥中心将在几分钟内被远程导弹/智能炸弹夷为平地。
Eric Matkowski, Horticulturist，Lives in Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia
The taiwanese Sky Bow 3 system is better and the rockets can fly with mach 7 speed . It is designed to stop china rockets attack. Israels’ rockets are slow and less hightech in it. Taiwan also has waay more rockets than israel. It is different design because the rockets can also fly to china and do boom over there or turn the taiwanese strait in the sea of fire in case of invasion. It is masterpiece of the rockets’ base defensive system. The entire taiwanese defensive strategy is based on it.
luncher units
台湾地区的天弓3系统更好，它的导弹能以7马赫的速度飞行，它被设计用于在阻止中国大陆的导弹攻击。以色列铁穹配备的导弹速度慢，技术含量很低。台湾地区也比以色列拥有更多的导弹，这是不同的设计，因为台湾地区的导弹也可以飞到中国大陆并在那里爆炸，或把台湾海峡变成火海以防“入x”。这是导弹基地防御系统的杰作，整个台湾地区的防御性战略都是以此为基础的。
The system is supported with gigantic radar systems.
Generally the operation of the system is top secret and it is exclusively designed for china invasion Then even hard to compare it to the Israel one but the basic specifications are waay better. Israel doesn’t have a need for such a system. They fight Hamas etc not China. The Israels’ dome would be useless there. No many people even know that there is stockpile of nuclear weapon there supplied by US and attached to the system. Good luck China!
这个宝贝能以7马赫的速度飞行。
该系统由巨型雷达系统提供支持。
一般来说，该系统的运作是绝密的，它是专为防备中国大陆设计的，所以很难与以色列的铁穹相比较，但它的基本规格要好得多。以色列不需要一个这样的系统，他们打击的是哈马斯，而不是中国，以色列的铁穹在台湾地区毫无用处。甚至没有多少人知道台湾地区的天弓系统有美国提供的核武器储备，祝中国好运！
Mohammad Jaafar, studied at Islamic University of Lebanon，Lives in Beirut, Lebanon
Nope, its advanced, but it's definitely not the best, lets not forget that few weeks before Israel attack on Gaza, there was an incident, that many pro-Israeli media outlets suppressed, and tried so hard to make it die down, and information about it did die down eventually, 4–5 weeks ago, a Missile was fired from Syria without an explosive head on purpose that landed very close to the Dimona reactor, the Iron dome did nothing to stop it, the missile bypassed it, many analysts believe that this missile was Iran message to Israel telling it to behave itself, because, let's make a comparison between before firing this missile and after firing this missile, before firing this missile, Israel was blatantly attacking Iranian ships, after the missile attack, the attacks on Iranian ships stopped. The Palestinian missiles aren't that advanced or technically prepared to bypass the Iron dome, the Palestinians just recently started attempting to technically advance their missiles, they are still taking their baby steps in this field.
There is also the fact that the Israeli Media is filtered by the Army, that suppresses any information about the actual number of casualties, this is on purpose so that they do not provide a moral boost for their enemy, and diminish moral of their own, and then later on face a backlash.
不，它很先进，但它肯定不是最好的。让我们别忘了，在以色列袭击加沙前的几个星期发生了一起事件，许多亲以色列的媒体压制了它，并试图让它消失，有关它的信息最终消失了。
4-5周前，一枚从叙利亚发射的导弹，在没有爆炸部的情况下故意落在了离迪莫纳反应堆很近的地方，导弹绕过了铁穹系统，铁穹没有能够阻止它。许多分析人士认为，这枚导弹是伊朗向以色列传达的信息，告诉它要举止得体，在发射这枚导弹之前，以色列公然攻击了伊朗的船只，而在发射导弹之后，以色列对伊朗船只的攻击就停止了。
巴勒斯坦的导弹并没有那么先进，在技术上无法绕过铁穹，他们最近才开始尝试从技术上提升他们的导弹，他们这一领域仍在蹒跚学步。
Ed Brook
Iron dome is very effective and very good at what it does, and in its command structure is completely unique in that it eliminates SAM sites in the traditional sense (grouped launchers together with a command centre and radar) and instead has single launchers spread out and slaved to a single, central command site. Russia has what is arguably the most capable SAM system in the world, the S-400. China mostly uses license-built versions of Russian systems, and the US has the MIM-104 Patriot. Of all of these, Iron Dome is by far the most used and has proved itself in combat to be one of the best medium-range SAM systems in the world.
铁穹系统非常有效，并且非常擅长做它所做的事情。它在其指挥结构中是独一无二，因为它去掉了传统意义上的SAM站点（将发射器与指挥中心和雷达组合在一起），而是将单个发射器分散部署并从属于单个中央指挥站点。
俄罗斯拥有可以说是世界上最有能力的反导系统，即S-400。中国主要使用的是俄罗斯系统的许可证制造版本，而美国拥有爱国者。在所有这些反导系统里，铁穹是迄今为止使用次数最多的，并已证明自己在战斗中是世界上最好的中程防空导弹系统之一。
Lee Jacobson, Indian expat for more than two decades
If it is the best in the world, it’s because it is so unique. If a neighboring nation to the US, Russia, or China launched missiles at their population centers, the US, Russia, or China would totally level that nation. There would be huge destruction in the offending nation.
But the hypocritical nations of the world make different standards for Israel, who cannot protect itself similarly as would the US, Russia, or China. And hence, the Iron Dome, the best at what it does, because nobody else would ever need it.
如果它是世界上最好的，那是因为它太独特了。如果美国、俄罗斯或中国的邻国往其人口中心发射导弹，美国、俄罗斯或中国会将该国完全夷为平地，这会给惹麻烦的国家带来巨大的破坏。
但是世界上这些伪善的国家为以色列制定了不同的标准，使以色列无法像美国、俄罗斯或中国那样保护自己。因此，铁穹在它最擅长的领域内是最好的，因为其他人并不需要它。
Jay Snead, professional researcher, amateur philosopher
It’s not really an anti-missile system, it is an short range anti-rocket system intended for use for the kind of terror rockets employed by Hamas and Hezbollah.
It is no substitute for true tiered anti-missile systems like the US Patriot, THAAD, or Aegis BMD to engage larger, long range ballistic missiles. This is why Israel is developing a tiered missile system using new Arrow 3, Iron Beam, Barak 8 and David's Sling to counter different threats.
Russia also uses a tiered system with long range S-400, medium range 9K37 Buk, and short range 9K33 Osa.
China uses the Russian s-300 system and is developing their own KT series ABM.
它不是一个真正的反导系统，它只是一个短程的反火箭系统，面对的对象是哈马斯和真主党使用的那种恐怖主义火箭。
它不能取代真正的分层反导系统，如美国的爱国者，萨德，或宙斯盾BMD来打击更大，更远程的弹道导弹。这就是为什么以色列正在开发一个分层导弹系统，使用新的箭-3，铁梁，巴拉克8和“大卫吊索”来对付不同的威胁。
俄罗斯也使用了一个分层防卫系统，包括远程的S-400、中程9K37 Buk和短程9K33 Osa。
中国使用的是俄罗斯的S-300系统，他同时也正在研制自己的KT系列反导系统。
Yuri Khaizar, lives in The Middle East
It’s a fight proven system designed for specific missions under conditions that most of countries/military doctrines just don’t meet. Population centers/metropolins near enemy lines when the enemy armed with short range missiles. Similar conditions exist in Singhapore and South Korea, may be in couple other places. For the protection of military bases far from population centers, there are cheaper solutions that operate according to the principle of point protection. Recently, Israel has developed new capabilities for the Iron Dome, like a sea based version. Such a system could be of interest to armies other than Singapore and South Korea.
这是一个经过战斗验证的系统，专为在大多数国家/军事理论无法满足的条件下执行特定任务而设计。当敌人装备短程导弹时，可以用来保护靠近敌人防线的人口中心/大都市。类似的情况在新加坡和韩国也存在，可能还有其他一些地方。对于远离人口中心的军事基地的保护，根据点保护原则有更便宜的解决方案。最近，以色列为铁穹开发了新的功能，比如海基版本。除新加坡和韩国外，其他国家的军队也可能会对这种系统感兴趣。
Owen Ward, Self-proclaimed king of the one-liner，Knows Hebrew
Israel’s Iron Dome is definitely one of, if not the best, anti-rocket systems in the world. It’s also the only one of its kind currently in use.
The Iron Dome uses state of the art scanners to detect incoming rockets and predict their landing site.
It then determines if the area is inhabited, or just a blank patch of desert, which a surprising amount of Israel is.
If it decides people are there, it deploys its own missile to intercept the incoming rocket before it can land. It has a 90% success rate.
以色列的铁穹绝对是世界上最好的反火箭系统之一，它也是目前同类产品中唯一正在使用的。
“铁穹”使用最先进的雷达来探测来袭的火箭并预测它们的着陆地点。
之后它会测算出这个地区是否有人居住，还是仅仅是一片空白的沙漠，以色列大部分地区都是沙漠。
如果它判定弹着点有人，它将发射导弹拦截来袭的火箭并在落地之前将其击落，它有90%的成功率。
The reason for this is rather simple: The USA, Russia, and China don’t have enemies from the surrounding countries firing rockets at them.
The Iron Dome isn’t cheap, and the countries you mentioned have no need to spend their budget on something they’ll never use.
The US has the Patriot and THAAD systems and Russia has the S400, but those are anti-missile defense systems, while the Iron Dome is meant fir rockets and artillery shells. It can’t actually intercept most modern missiles.
美国、俄罗斯和中国没有像以色列那样的火箭防御系统，或者至少我不知道他们是不是有。
原因很简单：美国、俄罗斯和中国没有来自周边国家的向他们发射火箭的敌人。
铁穹系统并不便宜，你提到的国家也没有必要把预算花在他们永远用不上的东西上面。
美国有爱国者和萨德系统，俄罗斯有S400，但这些都是反导弹防御系统，而铁穹防御的是火箭和炮弹，它实际上无法拦截大多数现代导弹。
Israel is currently working on a defense system called the Iron Beam for modern missiles, which is the Iron Dome with lasers instead of missiles.
所以要回答真正的问题，那就是铁穹不是一个好的导弹防御系统，因为它是为拦截火箭而设计的。
以色列目前正在研制一种被称为“铁梁”的现代导弹防御系统，它是用激光代替导弹的铁穹。
The USA, Russia, and China don’t have enemies from the surrounding countries firing rockets at them.
Adding on to this - those countries will retaliate with nuclear weapons in the event they are attacked.
You do not need anti-rocket systems when you show an opponent that their homeland will be vaporized well before any conventional artillery gets in range of your population centres.
美国、俄罗斯和中国没有来自周边国家的向他们发射火箭的敌人。
补充一下，这些国家一旦遭到攻击，将会用核武器进行报复。
当你向对手表明，任何常规炮弹在进入你的人口中心的范围之前他们的家园将被蒸发时，你不再需要反火箭系统。
Actually ”Arrow” was developed long before “Iron Dome” and first version was deployed in 2000. Now version Arrow-3 is in use and Arrow-4 is under development
Also “David’s Sling” systems which are intended both as anti-aircraft SAM and for use against tactical ballistic missiles started to enter service in 2017 as replacement for obsolete Hawk SAMs (also its future upgraded modifications are intended to replace Patriots as they will start to be phased out)
实际上，“箭”早在“铁穹”和2000年部署的第一个版本之前就被开发出来了，现在版本的箭-3正在使用中，而箭-4正在开发中。
此外，作为防空导弹和战术弹道导弹使用的“大卫吊索”系统也于2017年开始投入使用，以取代过时的鹰式防空导弹（此外，其未来的升级版本将会取代爱国者防空系统，因为它们将逐步被淘汰）。
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Actually, the US’s Patriot and THAAD systems, as well as Russia’s S400 and soon-to-be S500 systems are RADICALLY better than Iron Dome, in the anti-missile role.
Iron Dome is really an anti-rocket and anti-artillery shell system, with the capability to intercept a few types of actual missiles.
Iron Dome has virtually no capability to intercept modern SSMs and ASMs, and is only modestly effective against cruise missiles. It has ZERO capability against ballistic missiles. In fact, Israel is building a completely different system (the Arrow System) to handle those kinds of threats.
事实上，美国的爱国者和萨德系统，以及俄罗斯的S400和即将部署的S500的系统，在反导作用上都比“铁穹”要好得多。
“铁穹”实际上是一种反火箭和反炮弹的系统，只具备拦截少数几种导弹的能力。
“铁穹”几乎没有拦截现代地地导弹和空地导弹的能力，对巡航导弹的拦截效果也很有限，它对弹道导弹的拦截能力为零。事实上，以色列正在建设一个完全不同的系统（箭-系统）来处理这些威胁。
But to answer the original question: NO, Iron Dome isn’t a very good anti-missile system. It’s an anti-rocket defense.
爱国者&萨德系统比铁穹顶早了十多年，在实际部署中有很好的反导记录。俄罗斯S400和后续的S500在应付非弹道导弹方面的表现似乎更好，而在拦截弹道导弹方面的表现则稍为逊色。当面对真正的导弹时，这两者都比铁穹要优越得多。当然，美俄两国的反导系统对大多数小型火箭都是完全无用的，也根本不能用来对付炮弹。
所以回答原始的问题：不，铁穹不是一个很好的反导系统，它是一个反火箭防御系统。