瑞士和美国哪个更加宜居？
Which is a better place to live: Switzerland or the USA?
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我在瑞士生活了两年，然后又搬到了美国，在我看来，瑞士的生活水平总体上要比美国好......
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Manish Rai Jain, Lived and worked in Zürich for 2 years
I lived in Switzerland for 2 yrs, and then moved to the US. Life in general in Switzerland is IMO, better than US, and here's why:
我在瑞士生活了两年，然后又搬到了美国，在我看来，瑞士的生活水平总体上要比美国好，原因如下
I lived in Switzerland for 2 yrs, and then moved to the US. Life in general in Switzerland is IMO, better than US, and here's why:
我在瑞士生活了两年，然后又搬到了美国，在我看来，瑞士的生活水平总体上要比美国好，原因如下
Higher standard of living: Swiss cities, houses and food are all top quality. Crime is very low, so you'd feel pretty safe roaming around in the middle of night all alone. There are no beggars on the street, and everybody around you looks very well off; it's surreal. You can drink from any public water fountain in the city, and all public places are kept really clean. There are many reasons why Zürich consistently is rated as one of the top 3 cities in the world to live in.
生活水平更高:瑞士的城市、住房和食物都是一流的。犯罪率很低，就算半夜独自外出游荡也很安全。街上没有乞丐，你周围的人看起来都很富有;这是超现实的。你可以在任何一个城市公共饮水机那饮水，公共场所非常的干净。苏黎世能一直成为世界三大最宜居的城市是有很多原因存在的
Higher pay and lower taxes: Swiss wages are pretty high. If you're a waiter, you get paid a minimum 20 CHF per hour. If you're an engineer or a banker, your salary is better than that of your US colleagues. On top of that, the taxes are relatively lower.
更高的工资和更低的税率:瑞士的工资相当高。即便你只是一个服务员，每小时的最低工资也能达到20瑞士法郎。如果你是工程师或银行家，那么你的工资也能比美国同行高。最重要的是，税收相对较低。
更高的工资和更低的税率:瑞士的工资相当高。即便你只是一个服务员，每小时的最低工资也能达到20瑞士法郎。如果你是工程师或银行家，那么你的工资也能比美国同行高。最重要的是，税收相对较低。
Amazing public transportation / travel opportunities: You're right in the middle of Europe. From Zürich, Germany is an hour away, France and Italy are 2. Everything else is a few hours by flight. The trains are all on time, and the transportation both intra-city and inter-city is very good. Switzerland is also part of Schengen treaty, even though it's not part of the European unx. That means, citizens of visa-deprived countries can roam around freely in the EU if they're living / working in Switzerland.
绝佳的公共交通/旅行机会:瑞士处于欧洲中部。从苏黎世到德国只需要一个小时，到法国和意大利只需要两个小时。到其他地方也只需要坐几个小时的飞机。火车都很准时，而且市内和城际的交通都很好。虽然瑞士不是欧盟成员国，但它同样也加入了《申根公约》。这意味着，如果你在瑞士生活工作，那么就算你的签证被剥夺一样可以自由在欧盟国家内通行。
绝佳的公共交通/旅行机会:瑞士处于欧洲中部。从苏黎世到德国只需要一个小时，到法国和意大利只需要两个小时。到其他地方也只需要坐几个小时的飞机。火车都很准时，而且市内和城际的交通都很好。虽然瑞士不是欧盟成员国，但它同样也加入了《申根公约》。这意味着，如果你在瑞士生活工作，那么就算你的签证被剥夺一样可以自由在欧盟国家内通行。
Better work life balance, and emphasis on sports. 8-5 culture is the norm, and people don't work on evenings or weekends. This applies not only to office-going folks, but also to general stores / shopping malls etc. Minus the bars, the entire city of Zurich closes at 7pm on weekdays, and opens only until 4pm on Saturday (Thanks for correction: Thierry Blancpain). Nothing is open on Sundays. Everybody I knew was doing at least 2 sports on a regular basis, which also explains why Swiss are so fit.
更好地平衡工作和生活，重视运动。工作时间最早八点，最晚五点结束，人们在晚上或周末不用上班。这不仅适用于上班族，也适用于普通商店和购物中心等。除了酒吧，苏黎世整个城市的所有店铺在工作日晚上7点就关门了，周六只开到下午4点。星期天没有商店营业。我认识的每个人都会定期做两项运动，这就是为什么瑞士人那么健康的原因。
更好地平衡工作和生活，重视运动。工作时间最早八点，最晚五点结束，人们在晚上或周末不用上班。这不仅适用于上班族，也适用于普通商店和购物中心等。除了酒吧，苏黎世整个城市的所有店铺在工作日晚上7点就关门了，周六只开到下午4点。星期天没有商店营业。我认识的每个人都会定期做两项运动，这就是为什么瑞士人那么健康的原因。
Almost free education even during undergrad studies: As opposed to US, where an undergrad can cost you a mortgage and your parents have to save their entire lives for, the best of Swiss universities charge only ~500 CHF per semester.
教育几乎免费，即便大学阶段也是如此：在美国，大学生不得不抵押贷款才能交得起学费，有的父母要为孩子上学付出一生的积蓄，与美国不同的是，瑞士最好的大学每学期也只收大约500瑞士法郎。
Clean smog-free air / beautiful mountains and landscape: Swiss really care about the environment. Air conditioners are frowned upon, if not entirely forbidden. Even when summer brought 32 degrees Celsius (~90F), we had to make do with fans both at home and at office. Ah, the horror! But well, it's good for the environment, and summer doesn't last that long.
干净无雾霾的空气，美丽的山脉和风景：瑞士非常关心环境。瑞士即便没有彻底禁止使用空调，也对使用空调持反对态度。即使夏季气温达到32摄氏度，我们在家和在办公室的时候也不得不使用电风扇。真的非常的热。不过好在，这对环境是有好处的，而且夏天持续的时间也不长。
干净无雾霾的空气，美丽的山脉和风景：瑞士非常关心环境。瑞士即便没有彻底禁止使用空调，也对使用空调持反对态度。即使夏季气温达到32摄氏度，我们在家和在办公室的时候也不得不使用电风扇。真的非常的热。不过好在，这对环境是有好处的，而且夏天持续的时间也不长。
So, why did I move? Now, here are 3 reasons where the US (well, California) fares better than Switzerland:
既然瑞士那么好，为什么我还要搬家了？以下是美国（加州）比瑞士好的三个地方：
既然瑞士那么好，为什么我还要搬家了？以下是美国（加州）比瑞士好的三个地方：
Weather: Switzerland isn't known for its great weather. It's cold and wet 9 months of the year, and hot and wet for the rest. California boasts a weather straight out of heaven (minus the earthquakes, that is).
天气:瑞士的天气并不好。一年中有9个月又冷又湿，其余的时间又热又潮。加州的天气简直就好极了(当然，除了地震)。
天气:瑞士的天气并不好。一年中有9个月又冷又湿，其余的时间又热又潮。加州的天气简直就好极了(当然，除了地震)。
Silicon Valley: If you're a software engineer, your Mecca lies in the San Francisco bay area. Zürich only has a few software companies, so if you choose to live there, you're pretty much stuck working for them.
硅谷:如果你是一名软件工程师，那么旧金山湾区就是你的圣地。苏黎世只有少数几家软件公司，如果你在那里生活，那么你就只能为他们工作了
硅谷:如果你是一名软件工程师，那么旧金山湾区就是你的圣地。苏黎世只有少数几家软件公司，如果你在那里生活，那么你就只能为他们工作了
Foreigners are tourists: Swiss don't believe in foreigners contributing to their society. For them, foreigners are something they have to bear with, and protect their society from. They're really kind-hearted people once you get to know them, but you wouldn't feel at home living there.
外国人就是游客：瑞士不认为外国人对自己的社会有什么贡献。对于他们来说，外国人是他们必须忍受的存在，他们必须保护自己的社会不受他们破坏。一旦你了解他们以后，就会知道他们是很善良的人，但在那里生活不会让你产生宾至如归的感觉。
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外国人就是游客：瑞士不认为外国人对自己的社会有什么贡献。对于他们来说，外国人是他们必须忍受的存在，他们必须保护自己的社会不受他们破坏。一旦你了解他们以后，就会知道他们是很善良的人，但在那里生活不会让你产生宾至如归的感觉。
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Want to ask a quick one: do you have to be able to speak German or French to live in Switzerland?
我想问一个简单的问题:在瑞士生活必须要会说德语或法语吗？
In Zurich, you can "get by" with just English. I've heard things have improved since I left in 2009. However, all your postal mail etc. would be in German, French or Italian.
在苏黎世生后的话，用英语也可以勉强应付生活。我是2009年离开瑞士的，听说自那以后，情况有所改善。但是，你的所有邮件都是德语，法语或意大利语写的。
My uncle (American) moved there in the 1960s and said that, even 40 years later, he felt like a second-class citizen in Switzerland. Italians and French are seen as workers. Americans and British (and, possibly, Germans) are seen as management. To get to the *ownership* level, though, you had to be a natural-born Swiss.
我叔叔是美国人，在上世纪60年代搬到瑞士，即便在那生活了四十年，他觉得自己仍然是二等公民。意大利人和法国人被视为工人，美国人，英国人或许还有德国人被视为管理人员。只有天生的瑞士人才是真正的主人。
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这种情况或许已经发生变化了。他是20多年前退休的。你对此有何看法？现在还是这样吗？这也是让我放弃搬到瑞士的原因。话虽如此，但美国也有自己的玻璃天花板，随着时间的推移，这些玻璃天花板似乎越来越令人厌恶，尤其是在硅谷，这里的种族歧视没有那么严重，但阶级歧视的情况也很糟糕。
Very good. Switzerland is surely a heavenly place.
But what's interesting to me is what we can learn from a successful society so we can replicate the success in other places.
And I wonder, how would be Switzerland today without its banking secrecy policy? How would be its economy without the billions stolen by dictators, corrupt politicians and tax evaders all around the world that are kept safe in their banks?
很好，瑞士无疑就是天堂
但我感兴趣的是，我们可以从一个成功社会中学到什么，可以将其复制到其他地方去。
而且我想知道，如果瑞士没有银行保密政策的话，瑞士今天会怎么样呢？如果没有世界各地的独裁者，腐败政客和逃税者将偷来的数十亿美元存放在他们银行的话，瑞士的经济会怎么样呢/
My uncle and aunt live in a small village in southern Switzerland (he's Swiss) and I have, over the years, spent a fair amount of time over there. So my comments aren't totally ignorant.
我的叔叔和婶婶住在瑞士南部的一个小村,他是瑞士人，过去几年，我在瑞士呆了很长一段时间，所以我的评论是有依据的。
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会说一种当地语言是有用的，但也不是必须的。每个人都会说英语，在我徒步旅行中，遇到的每一个村庄，我都能用英语与当地人进行交流。
我的德语说的还可以，但我不记得有非说德语不可的时候。事实上，我发现当地人更加喜欢和我说英语。在法裔瑞士人和德裔瑞士人之间确实存在竞争关系。我曾经去过瑞士德裔区生活的村庄餐厅用餐。一名瑞士德裔服务员用德语欢迎我，并给了我一份德语菜单。我不自觉的用英语说了一声谢谢。然后他用英语向我道歉，并给了我一份英语菜单。
接下来来了一群法裔瑞士人。服务员再次用德语问候他们，并给了他们一份德语菜单。他们用法语回复。而服务员继续和他们说德语。他们用法语问服务员有关菜肴的问题，而服务员一直用德语和他们交流。而且服务员在我桌旁服务的时间也比在他们那的长，而且是长的多。
我叔叔和婶婶有自己的餐厅，当我把上述故事告诉他们的时候，他们说这是很常见的事情。双方都会说对方的语言，但就是不这样做。双方都不介意，因为彼此都是这样做的。
Especially agree with foreigners = tourists. I've been to Switzerland a number of times, even staying with locals, even speaking passable German, but haven't ever felt welcome.
非常同意外国人就是游客的说法。我去过瑞士很多次，甚至和当地人住在一起，而且我的德语也不错，但我从来不觉得受欢迎。
Really? Wow. I spent 3 months there and had a really nice homely landlord and coworkers that welcomed me into their life like anyone else. But maybe it was an exception.
真的吗？我在那呆了三个月，房东和同事都非常友好，他们像其他人一样欢迎我和他们一起生活。但或许这是例外情况
I believe you will always feel like a foreigner if you don’t learn the language. It may be hard to learn Swiss German but it’s still logical that one should do so if planning to live there for a longer time. If you do so, no one will think of you as a foreigner or a tourist.
我认为如果你不学习当地语言的话，那么你会一直觉得自己就是一个外国人。学瑞士德语或许很难，但如果你打算在那生活更长时间的话，那么学习瑞士德语就是顺理成章的事了。如果你会说当地语言的话，那么没有人会认为你是一个外国人或游客了。
The weather in Switzerland is just fine and nothing like your descxtion. As for foreigners, over 23.8% of the total population of 8.14 million are foreigner residents in Switzerland which contribute well to the society.
瑞士的天气很好，和你说的完全不一样。至于外国人，瑞士人口814万，在瑞士生活的外国人占瑞士总人口的23.8%，他们对瑞士社会做出重大的贡献。
My sister lived in Germany and Austria, she has many Swiss friends. We have some Swiss friends in Chicago that are very close and we see each other a lot. The general consensus about one topic (we all have kids) is very clear; Switzerland is not a place for kids. Nothing is prepared for kids, nobody likes kids running around, many restaurants don’t forbid it but it’s much better a society rule not to bring them. Our friends said they felt like heaven in Illinois with 3 kids, they could go everywhere all the time with them, do tons of activities and enjoy any kind of experience with kids,
我的妹妹曾在德国和奥地利生活过，她有许多瑞士的朋友。我们在芝加哥也有一些瑞士朋友，关系很好，我们经常见面。我们对于某个话题的共识是非常明确的，那就是瑞士不是孩子们的乐园。没有为孩子专门准备的设施，没有人喜欢孩子跑来跑去，虽然很多餐厅并没有明令禁止，但社会规则就是最好不要带孩子来餐厅。我们的朋友有三个孩子，他们觉得伊利诺伊州就是天堂，他们带着孩子无论什么时候去哪里都可以，他们可以做各种各样的活动，享受和孩子在一起的任何经历。
"Minus the bars, the entire city of Zurich closes at 7pm on weekdays, and opens only until 4pm on Saturday" and this is a positive? That sounds absolutely horrible.
“除了酒吧，整个苏黎世的商店在工作日晚上7点就关门了，周六只开到下午4点”，这也是一个优点吗？听上去太糟糕了
And it’s not true… Shops are open longer on saturdays and nightlife is omnipresent. It sounds horrible the way the OP described, but the truth is quite far from that.
并非如此，周六商店营业时间可以更长，夜生活无处不在，答主描述的方式听上去很恐怖，但事实绝不是这样的。
Lots of things are now open late in the city of Zurich.
苏黎世现在很多商店都能开到很晚