埃及正在建造一条45亿美元的高速铁路
Egypt is building a $4.5 billion high-speed rail line. Passengers and cargo will soon be able to shoot through the Egyptian desert aboard a high-speed train, in a first for the country
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据西门子称，这条线路每年将运送3000多万人，旅行时间可以减少50%，同时货运能力也可以增加15%。
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According to Siemens, the connection will transport more than 30 million people per year and will cut travel time by as much as 50%, while also increasing freight capacity by 15%. "The high-speed train will strengthen the infrastructure of the areas it passes through and help achieve urban sprawl," said Kamel El-Wazir, Egyptian minister of transport, in a press release.
据西门子称，这条线路每年将运送3000多万人，旅行时间可以减少50%，同时货运能力也可以增加15%。埃及交通部长卡迈勒·瓦齐尔在一份新闻稿中说：“高速列车能加强途经地区的基础设施，帮助实现城市扩张。”
Siemens Mobility says it will provide the core technologies - high-speed trains, commuter trains and rail infrastructure - while NAT will build the civil structure, such as tunnels and bridges.
西门子移动表示，它将提供核心技术——高速列车通勤列车和铁路基础设施，而NAT将建造隧道和桥梁等民用建筑。
西门子移动表示，它将提供核心技术——高速列车通勤列车和铁路基础设施，而NAT将建造隧道和桥梁等民用建筑。
Peter says that Siemens will sign contracts to build the next two lines in the network, connecting the Greater Cairo region with Aswan, and Luxor via Hurghada to Safaga.
彼得表示，西门子将签署合同，建造该网络的另两条线路，连接大开罗地区—阿斯旺，以及卢克索—赫尔加达—萨法加。
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彼得表示，西门子将签署合同，建造该网络的另两条线路，连接大开罗地区—阿斯旺，以及卢克索—赫尔加达—萨法加。
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I didn't read the article, but I bet its not build by China, otherwise CNN wouldn't have reported it
我没看文章，但我打赌这不是中国造的，不然CNN不会报道它
Western media likes glossing over the fact that China has built 23,000 miles of high speed rail since 2007. The United States, the richest country in modern history, has 33.9 miles of high speed rail, total.
自2007年以来，中国修建了23000英里的高铁，西方媒体总喜欢掩盖这个事实。而美国，现代史上最富有的国家，总共才拥有33.9英里的高铁。
California should hire these guys because our HSR started 10 years ago and has gone nowhere
加州应该雇佣这些人，因为我们的高铁项目在10年前就开始了，现在连影都没见。
I'm sure this project will be immune to pervasive corruption.
我敢肯定，这个项目不会受到无处不在的腐败的影响。
Egypt has been ongoing a huge infrastructure overhaul project. Main city roads network are improved, new highways are built everywhere. And multiple transportation projects like a Light Rail Transit, Monorail and new metro lines are already WIP. Ofcourse there’s corruption, however it’s not as persistent as it used to be like a decade ago.
埃及正在进行一项大型的基础设施改造项目。改善主要城市道路网络，到处都在建造新公路。还有多个交通项目，如轻轨交通、单轨列车和新的地铁线路已经在规划中。腐败当然有，但不像十年前那么普遍了。
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yeah i doubt it will ever be finished, and even if it does get completed, how many egyptians can afford traveling on that train? and since the killing of a couple of european students which where asking too many questions the tourist and expat sector isnt doing exceptionally well
是的，我怀疑它能否完成，即使真的完成了，有多少埃及人能负担得起？自从几个欧洲学生被杀后，有太多被质疑的地方，旅游和外籍部门做得不是特别好。
4.5billion to go 660km... yet in Honolulu 32km light rail is 12.4 billion dollars..
45亿美元660公里，然而在檀香山32公里的轻轨就要124亿美元……
While I really support infrastructure improvment. Can you imagine your train breaking down in the middle of a sandstorm 200 miles from anything? Better hope it carries some emergency supplies.
虽然我确实支持基础设施的提高，但你能想象列车在200英里的沙尘暴中抛锚的场景吗？希望它能带上些应急物资。
The train will be going through heavily populated areas. The only part of Egypt that is "200 miles from anything" is the Western desert, and the proposed high speed rail doesn't go anywhere near there. It would cover the densely populated Nile Delta, river valley, and coast.
列车经过的是人口稠密地区。埃及唯一有“200英里沙尘暴”的地方是在西部沙漠，而这条高铁并不靠近那里。它覆盖的是人口稠密的尼罗河三角洲、河谷和海岸。
Hey wow! Wouldn’t that be nice to have.
Too bad the US hates all things rail.
哇！修高铁了那不是很好吗。
美国讨厌铁路，太糟糕了。
The US has actually been investing a lot of money into new rail projects e.g. California, Texas, Florida. Amtrak just got $66 billion in Biden’s Infrastructure bill too
事实上，美国已经在新的铁路项目上投入很多钱了，例如加利福尼亚、德克萨斯、佛罗里达的高铁。美铁也刚刚从拜登的基础设施法案中获得660亿美元。
Yeah - I’m aware - I live in LA.
I’m just saying, compared to the long-time HSR deployment in Europe and Japan, and the EXTREMELY quick build-out in China, our HSR is waaaayyy behind, and pretty much all Republicans hate the very notion of it.
是的，我知道，我就住在洛杉矶。
我只是说，相比于欧洲、日本长期以来的高铁修建，以及在中国的快速建设，我们的高铁落后了，几乎所有共和党人都讨厌这种想法。
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Meanwhile, millions of Americans are still waiting for the bus that's 15 minutes late.
与此同时，无数美国人仍在等那会迟到15分钟的公共汽车。
That feeling when Egypt has better infrastructure than the US...
当埃及拥有比美国更好的基础设施时，那感觉……
in america 4.5 billion dollars would probably give you about 10 miles of low speed non-electric track.
在美国，45亿美元可能能修10英里的低速非电动轨道。
How are they going to keep the tracks clean of sand build up?
他们如何让铁轨没有积沙？
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I am just wondering wether it is funded by china's belt and road initiative.....
我只想知道它是不是由中国一带一路倡议资助的。
Egypt is now passing us? Come on America. Pull yourself together (Edna E Mode voice)
埃及正在超过我们？拜托了，美国。振作起来(埃德娜E风格的声音)
Oh cool. Btw I live in Egypt an i had no idea they were building that
哇，酷。顺便说一句，我住在埃及，但我都不知道他们在建这个
They’re not. I’ll give you $50 if it happens in the next 10 years
并没有。如果在未来10年内建造，我给你50美元
Judging by how already a lot of projects have been built or are currently in progress or being finished I would like to tell you to kindly prepare those $50 for the fine person who you replied to.
从很多项目已经建成、正在进行或正在完成的情况来看，我可以跟你说，请准备好这50美元给你楼上
So, what happens if there's a sandstorm? Won't the tracks get covered up and fouled?
那么，如果有沙尘暴会发生什么？铁轨不会被覆盖和弄脏吗？
They have trains which blow air from the front and can clear the tracks right before the train passes. There are places like Siberia where tons of snow falls and trains just plow right through it and as there will be frequent traffic, it's not like much sand will accumulate.
他们有从前面吹气的列车，可以在列车通过之前清洁铁轨。在西伯利亚这样的地方大雪纷飞，列车会直接把雪犁开，由于交通频繁，所以不会积很多沙子。
high speed tracks do this?
在高速轨道上这样做？
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Except snow is compressable just a bit of sand would derail a train at a high speed. Waiting for the casualties to happen when some just piles enough sand along the track. Maintenance is gonna be a nightmare for the structure and a the electronics, just as the US military fighting in Irak. Tech went to shit. Propellers for helicopters sanded away just by taking off/landing
雪是可压缩的，而只要一点点沙子就可以让高速行驶的列车脱轨。当轨道上堆积足够的沙子时，就可以等事故发生了。结构和电子设备的维护会是噩梦，就像美军在伊拉克作战，技术很容易出问题，直升机的螺旋桨仅仅在起飞、降落时就被磨掉了。
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Look I'm no engineer but having lived in Egypt, I can tell you that the sandstorm don't blow enormous volumes of sand, at least not near the most populated parts of the Nile. Most of the time it's a small coat of dust that accumulates pretty much everywhere (see Khamsin) . I reckon having ditches or elevating the track along with measures to blow sand as the train moves would suffice.
Fuck if I know, but if they're investing to much I'm going to guess they're thinking about this.
我不是工程师，但我在埃及生活过，我可以告诉你，沙尘暴不会吹出大量的沙子，至少在尼罗河人口最多的地区附近不会。大多数情况下也就一小层灰尘。我认为开沟或轨道修高点，然后取吹沙措施就足够了。
我不知道，但如果他们投资足够，我认为他们会考虑到这点的。
And what about the heat ? It can bend the rail and therefore slow down the train. In Perth Australia, the suburbs trains sometimes have to slow down because of the heat (and some caterpillars when it’s the season). The trains can go up to 160km/h.
那么炎热问题呢？它会让铁轨弯曲，因此列车必须减速。在澳大利亚的珀斯，郊区列车有时会因为天气炎热而必须减速（这样的季节还会有毛虫）。列车时速可达160公里。
Yep trains along the east coast of the US have to have their speeds reduced during the intense summer days.
Also it would be interesting how they are anchor those rails with so much sand around, again train and track maintenance is where the money is, not in building the system.
是的，在炎热的夏季，美国东海岸的火车必须减速。
还有他们如何在这么多沙子的情况下固定铁轨也会很有趣。另外，列车和轨道的维护才是花钱的大头，不是在建造系统。
Egypt has the benefit of their entire population living along the banks of the Nile so this is a really good system for a country like them.
埃及所有人口都生活在尼罗河沿岸，所以这样的系统对他们这样的国家来说是非常好的。
So I understand there a far more obstacles in the way, but how does Egypt get a high speed rail through the desert for $4.5 billion but Amtrak (the pirates) said it would be $1 billion for every 2 miles of high speed rail upgrades in the US. The maths not mathing
我知道还有更多的障碍，但埃及怎么就能花45亿美元建一条穿越沙漠的高铁，而美国铁路公司表示美国每2英里的高速铁路升级要10亿美元。
If I'm doing a job for someone, I charge $1 if they're driving a Honda, $7 if they're driving Lamborghini , and $1000 if they're the government. I imagine it doesnt work that way in Egypt.
如果我为某人工作，如果他们开本田的话我会收1美元；如果他们开兰博基尼我会收7美元；如果他们是政府我会收1000美元。看来在埃及不是这样的。
Someone gets it lol
明白人，哈哈
Morocco already has high speed rail through the desert. I suspect you can build out a high speed line between Richmond and Raleigh for around that price that it's through mostly empty and relatively flat land with every few obstacles. The northeast corridor however will be much more expensive.
摩洛哥已经有穿越沙漠的高速铁路了。我猜你可以差不多的价格在里士满和罗利之间建一条高速铁路，它穿过的土地大部分是空旷的，相对平坦，几乎没有障碍。然而，在东北走廊建的成本要高得多。
Cost of desert in Egypt per acre: $2
Cost of farmland and industrial areas and homes in the US, per acre: $35,000
Cost of environmental study in USA, then security and delays dealing with all the protesters: $30m/mile
Etc. etc.
埃及每英亩沙漠成本：2美元
美国每英亩农田、工业区和房子成本：35000美元
在美国进行环境研究的成本，还有安全费用、处理抗议者的延误费用:3000万美元/英里。等等等等
Even Egypt is getting high speed rail. Why do we in America have to settle for 55MPH Amtrak?
连埃及也在建高速铁路。我们美国为什么必须满足于时速55英里的美铁？
This is a contract to build a line to future cities in Egypt that do not yet exist that will be financed by China.
CNN sucks
这份铁路合同是修往由中国出资的埃及未来城市的。
恶心的CNN。
And the US has spent so much money on endless wars and Israel’s infrastructure they we are still not a great transportation country. Look at japan’s rail system.
美国在无休止的战争和以色列的基础设施上花了这么多钱，而我们仍然不是一个伟大的交通国家。看看日本的铁路系统。
China is also investing over $20b into building Egypts new Capital city
中国还投资200多亿美元建造埃及新首都
Building infrastructure is good.
建基础设施是好事。
It is, but have you ridden the Cairo metro?
It is mostly functional, to give it credit, but pretty sketchy.
Well, the metro is only two lines but they are supposedly building it up. It does not yet go to the airport, which is one my big concerns. All of Egypt basically conspires against you to rip you off on that airport and other transfers. At least with the metro, even if there is a surcharge, you will avoid most of the worst ripoffs. Even the buses can be weird as they might veer of some place you do not expect, but anything on rails is easier to grok. I once jumped out of a moving taxi in central Cairo with my rucksack to avoid being driven around in circles any further. I tossed the fare currently on the meter into the front of the car as I left. Some of the metro entrances were more or less buried in large garbage drifts. It is filthy, every surface is grime. This is true of many corners of Cairo. I guess my point is that infrastructure is super cool, I love it and I even schedule my trips around using and experience it. But it can be degraded by poor management or other cultural issues.
是的，但是你坐过开罗地铁吗？
它在功能性上值得称赞，但相当粗略。
地铁只有两条线，但据说正在修建。它还没有通往机场，这是我最担心的。基本上，整个埃及都都会对你不利，在机场和其他交通工具上敲诈你。如果地铁通往机场，即使有附加费，至少你也可以避免大多数诈骗行为。连公交车也会很奇怪，因为它们可能会拐到你意想不到的地方，但轨道上就好多了。
有一次，我带着背包从开罗市中心一辆开着的出租车上跳下来，以避免继续兜圈子。当我离开时，我把钱按计价器显示的数额扔到了车的前面。
些地铁入口基本被垃圾淹没了。很脏，每个表面都是污垢。开罗的许多角落都是如此。
我的观点是，基础设施超级酷，我喜欢它，我甚至以它安排我的旅行并体验它。但管理不善或其他文化问题可能会使其退化。
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Must admit, after reading this, I'm even less eager visiting Egypt. And those levels were quite low already I'm afraid.
I don't say this cause I'm not interested, because I am, but this kind of experience just seems overwhelming for person who likes cleanliness, honest communication and silence in general. So, me.
我必须承认，看了这些后，我更不想去埃及了。这种水平已经很低了。
我这么说不是因为我不感兴趣，我感兴趣的，但这种经历对于喜欢干净、诚实交流和沉默的人来说是无法忍受的。
The metro, and infrastructure in general, has improved dramatically over the part few years. When did you visit?
总体上，地铁和基础设施在过去的几年里得到了极大的改善。你什么时候去的？
If you're a woman, I don't recommend Egypt. Def if you don't have men in your group. Single or female couples? Very, very bad idea.
如果你是女性，我不推荐去埃及。如果你的团队里没有男性就要紧了。单人或女性团队？这是非常非常糟糕的主意。
100% very dangerous for female travelers
对女性旅行者来说确实非常危险
Go read some r/askreddit threads about places you never want to go back to. Egypt is generally a 'favorite.'
去r/askreddit版块看些“你永远不想回去的地方”的帖子。埃及通常 “最受欢迎”。
Such a shame too. So much increadible history and sites
这也太可惜了。有这么多令人难以置信的历史和遗址
And a heck of a lot easier to build when the right of way is largely through vast, unpopulated desert.
当大部分道路是广阔的、无人居住的沙漠时，造起来要容易得多。
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There were actually a lot of challenges with building a high speed line through desert when that was done for the first time in Saudi Arabia. Egypt will be the second so hopefully it will be easier with the lessons learned.
在沙特阿拉伯第一次建穿越沙漠的高速铁路时，其实面临着很多挑战。埃及将是第二个，有了这些教训后希望能更容易。
I am more curious about how they are going to deal with the difference in temp during day and night. Australia has to deal with that, and they spend a decent amount of money on it.
我更好奇他们要如何处理昼夜温差。澳大利亚必须应对这一点，他们在这方面花了很多的钱。
It must be the ideal country for one, if they can afford it. All that dense population concentrated on a linear thread of river.
如果他们能负担得起，那肯定是建高铁的理想国家。密集人口都集中在一条线性的河流边上。
This rail line is not going along the Nile however. It is going out into the desert east of Cairo where there is currently nothing, but China is building a new city there to serve as the administrative capitol of Egypt.
然而，这条铁路线不是沿着尼罗河的。它将开往开罗东部的沙漠，目前那里什么都没有，但中国正在那里建造一座新城市，作为埃及的行政首都。
Indonesia is doing the same. When your old capital has become an urban hellscape instead of fixing it just build a new one.
印尼也在做同样的事情。当你的旧首都变得拥挤不堪时，与其修修补补不如直接造个新的。
Egypt is also investing a lot of money into building new corridors for development that are not dependent on the Nile River. Cairo is rather dense already and the country's population is still growing. Building new cities to relieve the pressure of living in Cairo may be a better solution than only dumping your money into Cairo.
埃及也在投资大量资金建设新的发展走廊，它不依赖尼罗河。开罗已经相当拥挤了，而且这个国家的人口仍在增长。建造新城市而不仅仅是把钱投入开罗，以此来缓解居住在开罗的压力，这可能是一个更好的解决方案。
Cairo is "rather dense" is like the understatement of the fucking year.
Cairo is a massive behemoth of tiny streets intertwined with poorly kept appartment buildings, packed in as tightly as they could.
说开罗“相当拥挤”就是轻描淡写。
开罗是个庞然大物，狭窄的街道与管理不善的公寓楼交织在一起，尽可能地挤成一堆。
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Indonesia is somewhat unqiue. Our capital city is the fastest sinking city in the world. Of course it's a mix of problems and many of them are probably able to be solved. Still. I doubt a developing country could afford to solve a complex issue with a reasonable budget and on a fixed timescale.
印尼的情况有些独特。我们的首都是世界上下沉速度最快的城市。当然，这是个混杂的问题，其中许多问题可能是可以解决的。另外，我怀疑一个发展中国家是否有能力用合理的预算和固定的时间来解决这么复杂的问题。
That is because Egypt as mentioned in the article is building a new capital:
The high-speed and electrified main rail line will connect Cairo to the New Administrative Capital and surrounding new cities.
This new high speed rail line has to exist to make this plan work.
It is going to be ... interesting to see if Egypt can successfully pull off building a new mega city capital from scratch.
这是因为，正如文章中提到的，埃及正在建造一个新首都:
高速、电气化的主干线将连接开罗和新行政首都及周围的新城市。
这条新的高速铁路线必须存在才能让这个计划生效。
看看埃及能否成功从零开始建设一个新大型首都，这会很有趣。
Egypt can definitely pull it off. They're still a developing country but definitely not an incapable one. Basically another "Asian" country rising rapidly.
埃及肯定可以做到。他们仍然是一个发展中国家，但绝对不是一个无能的国家。他们基本上就是另一个快速崛起的“亚洲”国家。
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How can they afford this?
他们是怎么能负担得起的？
4.5 billion is not that much money, even for a relatively poor country.
45亿美元也没那么多，即使对于一个相对贫穷的国家来说也是如此
I should have said “why are they affording this”. Admittedly I know very little about Egypt, but from what I do, it seems crazy to spend money on a shiny toy to shuttle rich people and tourists around.
我应该问“他们为什么负担得起”。诚然，我对埃及了解不多，但从我所知道的情况来看，把钱花在一个闪亮的玩具上，就为了运送富人和游客，这似乎不理智。
It won't be completed for a mere $4.5 billion.
要建成不会仅仅花费45亿美元
It's not out of the question, Morocco completed a 300 km high speed railway for €2 billion, so 4.5 billion for this 660 km project would be about the same.
不是没可能，摩洛哥花20亿欧元就完成了一条300公里的高速铁路，所以这660公里的项目花45亿也差不多。
India is also building one with a huge plan to connect several cities by 2040 but the project is delayed because of petty politics.
印度也在建，计划到2040年连接几个城市，但由于政治问题，项目被推迟了。
Infrastructure is good. It’s also a target for any armed groups. I admit I don’t know much about Egypt but don’t they have some armed “terrorist” groups in the country? Can’t they just blow the rail line forcing repairs all the time?
造基础设施是很好。但它也是所有武装团体的目标。我承认我对埃及了解不多，但他们不是有一些武装 “恐怖”团体吗？难道他们不会炸了铁路一直迫使他们维修吗？
As we still struggle for a seat on a greyhound bus in the US......
当我们还在为美国灰狗巴士上的一个座位而挣扎的时候……
I bet theirs is done before Californias is
我打赌他们能在加州项目之前完成