网友讨论:对比百年前的残破,为什么今天中国会变得如此强大?
How China Became So Powerful
译文简介
这是一个关于某种特殊资本主义的故事,如果你想了解更多,请查看世界经济论坛上的这篇文章。或者更准确地说,这本书的全文已经在昨天出版(我已经读过了)。很好!
正文翻译



It's a story of a certain type of capitalism
If you want to learn more, check out this article from the WEF or for a deeper dive, the full book was published yesterday (I've read it. it's good!):
This video is a story about China, past to present. But in telling the story of the Rise of China (and Asia generally), it's impossible to not talk about fundamental lessons that have emerged. In this video I try to tell the story but then also look back and at the result of it all. To examine the data and see what effects our global economic system has had on people and the planet. The data is clear that our model of capitalism has some major winners. But it also produces some important losers, those who have lost out or have been damaged by these trends. One major loser of the this system is the future generations of people who will live on a planet with more extreme and volatile weather and ocean patterns. All of this calls for a rethinking of our capitalism. Not to scrap it all together, but to upgrade it to a version that benefits all of society and doesn't threaten our planet and future generations.
Thanks for watching.
-Johnny
这是一个关于某种特殊资本主义的故事
如果你想了解更多,请查看世界经济论坛上的这篇文章。或者更准确地说,这本书的全文已经在昨天出版(我已经读过了)。很好!
这个视频是一个关于中国的故事,从过去到现在的变化。但是,在讲述中国(乃至整个亚洲)崛起的故事时,我们不可能不谈论已经出现的教训。在这段视频中,我会尝试讲好整个故事,但同时也会回顾造成这一切的原因。通过数据调查,看看我们的全球经济体系,对人类和地球产生了什么影响。数据清楚地表明,我们的资本主义模式存在不少主要的赢家,但它也产生了很多重要的输家,比如那些已经出局或正被这些趋势损害的人们。
如今的资本主义体系的一个主要输家是我们未来的几代人,他们将生活在一个气候和海洋模式更加极端和多变的星球上。所有这些损害,都要求我们重新思考我们如今的资本主义。不是要将它全部废弃,而是要将它升级到一个有利于整个社会、不会威胁我们的星球和子孙后代的更新版本。
谢谢收看。
约翰!
评论翻译
LekkerLeviLoos
"It doesn't matter if the cat is black or white so long as it catches mice"
不管黑猫白猫,能抓到老鼠就是好猫。
"It doesn't matter if the cat is black or white so long as it catches mice"
不管黑猫白猫,能抓到老鼠就是好猫。

Valden Corr
The dumbing down of Western people is real.
西方人的愚化是真实存在的。
The dumbing down of Western people is real.
西方人的愚化是真实存在的。
Amethyst752
I don't know what high school you went to. This is definitely not that.
我不知道你上的是哪所高中。但(中国崛起)绝对不是你说的这些原因。
I don't know what high school you went to. This is definitely not that.
我不知道你上的是哪所高中。但(中国崛起)绝对不是你说的这些原因。

Nicola Galasso
History, dangerously oversimplified.
对于历史,你说的过于简单了。
History, dangerously oversimplified.
对于历史,你说的过于简单了。
himanshu singh
Capitalism today: As long as the few ultra rich are getting richer, it's fine.
Let's see how this GameStop story evolves.
今天的资本主义:只要少数超级富豪变得更富,那就没什么问题。
现在让我们看看这个GameStop故事是如何发展的吧。
Capitalism today: As long as the few ultra rich are getting richer, it's fine.
Let's see how this GameStop story evolves.
今天的资本主义:只要少数超级富豪变得更富,那就没什么问题。
现在让我们看看这个GameStop故事是如何发展的吧。
Danil Thorstensson
This has been the philosophy for 40 years
楼上说的是40年前的理念
This has been the philosophy for 40 years
楼上说的是40年前的理念
M ?
“Welcome to 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better.” -World economic forum. Joe Biden’s slogan “Build back better”....World economic forum slogan “Build back better”. Don’t use google search engine, but instead use DuckDuckGo and search “what is the Great Reset”.
“欢迎来到2030年。我失去了一切,没有隐私,但生活从来没有这么好过。”——世界经济论坛。
乔·拜登的口号“重建的更好”……
世界经济论坛的口号也是“重建得更好”。
而不使用谷歌搜索引擎,使用DuckDuckGo搜索,就是“什么才是伟大的重置”。
“Welcome to 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better.” -World economic forum. Joe Biden’s slogan “Build back better”....World economic forum slogan “Build back better”. Don’t use google search engine, but instead use DuckDuckGo and search “what is the Great Reset”.
“欢迎来到2030年。我失去了一切,没有隐私,但生活从来没有这么好过。”——世界经济论坛。
乔·拜登的口号“重建的更好”……
世界经济论坛的口号也是“重建得更好”。
而不使用谷歌搜索引擎,使用DuckDuckGo搜索,就是“什么才是伟大的重置”。
amcboy1
Lol GameStop's not gonna change anything. I don't know why people think it's some sort of revolution. A few hedge funds will lose money, but in the end it's going to be the retail investor holding the bag when the bubble pops. And this whole thing is a tiny tiny fraction of the whole market.
狂笑,GameStop不会改变任何事情。我不知道为什么人们认为这是某种革命。少数对冲基金会赔钱,但最终当经济泡沫破裂时,承担损失的将是散户投资者。这些只是整个市场很小很小的一部分罢了。
Lol GameStop's not gonna change anything. I don't know why people think it's some sort of revolution. A few hedge funds will lose money, but in the end it's going to be the retail investor holding the bag when the bubble pops. And this whole thing is a tiny tiny fraction of the whole market.
狂笑,GameStop不会改变任何事情。我不知道为什么人们认为这是某种革命。少数对冲基金会赔钱,但最终当经济泡沫破裂时,承担损失的将是散户投资者。这些只是整个市场很小很小的一部分罢了。
Nicito Sta. Ana
Wealth is exponential and has multiplier aspects
"A 1k usd salary turns into 3k economic activity"
Or compound interest
Or zipfs, law
Or pareto distribution
So rich getting richer faster is only natural and implies wealth creation
Income mobility is much more important than wealth equality
And as far as I can see on the graph, mobility is increasing.
Problem is the government dependent companies (I see Amazon as a result of the culture where investors have near zero-risk since the government will bail them out anyway if they're too big/important to fail)
Or literally all Chinese companies
财富呈指数增长,具有乘数效应
“1千美元的工资变成了3千美元的经济活动。”
一堆专业术语
所以富人很自然的越富越快,同时也意味着财富的创造
流动收入比财富平等重要得多
就我在图表上看到的,流动性财富一直在增加。
问题是政府依赖的公司(我认为亚马逊文化是投资者几乎零风险的必然结果,因为如果他们太大/重要到不能突然倒闭,政府无论如何都会帮助他们)
或者可以用来形容所有的中国公司
Wealth is exponential and has multiplier aspects
"A 1k usd salary turns into 3k economic activity"
Or compound interest
Or zipfs, law
Or pareto distribution
So rich getting richer faster is only natural and implies wealth creation
Income mobility is much more important than wealth equality
And as far as I can see on the graph, mobility is increasing.
Problem is the government dependent companies (I see Amazon as a result of the culture where investors have near zero-risk since the government will bail them out anyway if they're too big/important to fail)
Or literally all Chinese companies
财富呈指数增长,具有乘数效应
“1千美元的工资变成了3千美元的经济活动。”
一堆专业术语
所以富人很自然的越富越快,同时也意味着财富的创造
流动收入比财富平等重要得多
就我在图表上看到的,流动性财富一直在增加。
问题是政府依赖的公司(我认为亚马逊文化是投资者几乎零风险的必然结果,因为如果他们太大/重要到不能突然倒闭,政府无论如何都会帮助他们)
或者可以用来形容所有的中国公司
craycray kian
Really? Even in china, for all of its authoritarianism, capitalism has raised millions from poverty after the great leap forward in a matter of decades.
In most countries how capitalism works is i agree to do a job for you and you pay me accordingly, we both use our gains on other peoples services which gives them capitol and pay and expands jobs.
This grows businesses, increases wages, expands the economy and makes both the worker and the businessman more wealthy, heck if your economy is great enough most workers have the opportunity to pursue their own enterprises and rival eachother as they want as well.
I think the problems we are finding with the system of capitalism in the united states is monopolism and anti trust with corporations that ruin this balance and threaten the governments and the peoples control of the economy and even polotics through their power.
I dont think capitalism itself is the problem for the USA as much as the lack of control over corporations and the nations ever evolving economy leaves the corporations to exploit this
你认真的吗?...资本主义在大跃进之后的几十年里,也让数百万人摆脱了贫困。
在大多数国家,资本主义是这样运作的:我同意为你做一份工作,然后你给我相应的报酬,我们都把我们的收益用在别人的服务上,这就给了他们资本和报酬,扩大了工作机会。
这可以发展企业,提高工资,发展经济,让工人和商人都更富有,如果你的经济足够强大,大多数工人都有机会发展自己的企业,也可以随心所欲地相互竞争。
我认为我们在美国资本主义制度中发现的问题是垄断和反垄断,垄断企业破坏了这种平衡,威胁到政府和人民通过他们的权力掌控经济甚至政治。
我不认为资本主义本身是美国的问题,我们更严重的问题是缺乏对企业的控制,国家不断发展经济的需求让企业利用了这一点。
Really? Even in china, for all of its authoritarianism, capitalism has raised millions from poverty after the great leap forward in a matter of decades.
In most countries how capitalism works is i agree to do a job for you and you pay me accordingly, we both use our gains on other peoples services which gives them capitol and pay and expands jobs.
This grows businesses, increases wages, expands the economy and makes both the worker and the businessman more wealthy, heck if your economy is great enough most workers have the opportunity to pursue their own enterprises and rival eachother as they want as well.
I think the problems we are finding with the system of capitalism in the united states is monopolism and anti trust with corporations that ruin this balance and threaten the governments and the peoples control of the economy and even polotics through their power.
I dont think capitalism itself is the problem for the USA as much as the lack of control over corporations and the nations ever evolving economy leaves the corporations to exploit this
你认真的吗?...资本主义在大跃进之后的几十年里,也让数百万人摆脱了贫困。
在大多数国家,资本主义是这样运作的:我同意为你做一份工作,然后你给我相应的报酬,我们都把我们的收益用在别人的服务上,这就给了他们资本和报酬,扩大了工作机会。
这可以发展企业,提高工资,发展经济,让工人和商人都更富有,如果你的经济足够强大,大多数工人都有机会发展自己的企业,也可以随心所欲地相互竞争。
我认为我们在美国资本主义制度中发现的问题是垄断和反垄断,垄断企业破坏了这种平衡,威胁到政府和人民通过他们的权力掌控经济甚至政治。
我不认为资本主义本身是美国的问题,我们更严重的问题是缺乏对企业的控制,国家不断发展经济的需求让企业利用了这一点。

craycray kian
@amcboy1 certainly, the more the corporations monopolise the economy the less competition we have between enterprises and this will stunt economic growth for everyone, especially the working class. Leading to more disgruntled people looking to radical change such as socialism. It scares me also that corporations are beginning to rival governments such as the case with google who has threatened the Australian and US governments openly.
当然,企业对经济的垄断程度越高,企业之间的竞争就越少,这将阻碍每个人的经济增长,尤其是工人阶级。导致更多不满的人寻求激进的变革,比如社会主义。让我感到害怕的是,企业开始与政府竞争,比如公开威胁澳大利亚和美国政府的谷歌。
@amcboy1 certainly, the more the corporations monopolise the economy the less competition we have between enterprises and this will stunt economic growth for everyone, especially the working class. Leading to more disgruntled people looking to radical change such as socialism. It scares me also that corporations are beginning to rival governments such as the case with google who has threatened the Australian and US governments openly.
当然,企业对经济的垄断程度越高,企业之间的竞争就越少,这将阻碍每个人的经济增长,尤其是工人阶级。导致更多不满的人寻求激进的变革,比如社会主义。让我感到害怕的是,企业开始与政府竞争,比如公开威胁澳大利亚和美国政府的谷歌。
Jared Mitchell
This man used Walmart as an example of a socially responsible company...
这个人竟然举例子,把沃尔玛作为一个有社会责任感的公司……
This man used Walmart as an example of a socially responsible company...
这个人竟然举例子,把沃尔玛作为一个有社会责任感的公司……

Yash Known
"Socialist China is a loophole for billionaires in a capitalist world " ??????
“社会主义中国是资本主义世界中一个开挂的亿万富翁”??????
"Socialist China is a loophole for billionaires in a capitalist world " ??????
“社会主义中国是资本主义世界中一个开挂的亿万富翁”??????
Carmine Galante
How are the Opium Wars not mentioned. Britain single handedly ravaged an entire generations.
怎么没有提到鸦片战争呢?英国一手摧毁了中国整整一代人。
How are the Opium Wars not mentioned. Britain single handedly ravaged an entire generations.
怎么没有提到鸦片战争呢?英国一手摧毁了中国整整一代人。


Selperun
@QooBee Even so, not only Britain was in this. Germany, Russia, Portugal, all had their hands one way or another.
即便如此,不仅英国卷入了这场战争。德国,俄罗斯,葡萄牙,都以各种方式入侵了中国。
@QooBee Even so, not only Britain was in this. Germany, Russia, Portugal, all had their hands one way or another.
即便如此,不仅英国卷入了这场战争。德国,俄罗斯,葡萄牙,都以各种方式入侵了中国。

Selperun
@QooBee The only reason I see it as a good thing is that China creates Competition. It forces the West to step up its game for once.
我认为这是件好事的唯一原因是中国创造了新的竞争,这种竞争迫使西方国家不得不加大力量投入竞争。
@QooBee The only reason I see it as a good thing is that China creates Competition. It forces the West to step up its game for once.
我认为这是件好事的唯一原因是中国创造了新的竞争,这种竞争迫使西方国家不得不加大力量投入竞争。
Yang Fan
@QooBee you got that part right, it's in our history book, eight powerful countries invaded China in the past. thanks for your kind words.
你说对了,在我们的历史书上,曾经有八个列强国家侵略过中国。谢谢你替我们说话。
@QooBee you got that part right, it's in our history book, eight powerful countries invaded China in the past. thanks for your kind words.
你说对了,在我们的历史书上,曾经有八个列强国家侵略过中国。谢谢你替我们说话。


victor ye
@QooBee Well this time China has learned their mistakes of past. This time doing business with a big gun in their back pack.
好吧,现在中国吸取了过去的教训,这次是背着一把大枪做生意。
@QooBee Well this time China has learned their mistakes of past. This time doing business with a big gun in their back pack.
好吧,现在中国吸取了过去的教训,这次是背着一把大枪做生意。

White Puppy
Johnny Harris: So what's the solution? Is it SOCIALISM? ?? Noooo!
World Economic Forum: That's my boy!
约翰尼·哈里斯:那么解决办法是什么呢?社会主义吗??不是!!!
世界经济论坛:这才是我的好孩子!
Johnny Harris: So what's the solution? Is it SOCIALISM? ?? Noooo!
World Economic Forum: That's my boy!
约翰尼·哈里斯:那么解决办法是什么呢?社会主义吗??不是!!!
世界经济论坛:这才是我的好孩子!


Asperigo Paslamus
"You'll own nothing, and you'll be happy"
"你虽然一无所有,但你会很快乐"
"You'll own nothing, and you'll be happy"
"你虽然一无所有,但你会很快乐"
Josip
"This isn't some fringe liberal idea" - took it from the World Economic Forum, the richest of the rich hahaha. You never made a point for why Chinese economy is good.
楼上,“这根本不是什么边缘的自由主义思想”——这句话来自世界经济论坛,富人中最富有的人说的,哈哈哈,你从来没有说明白,为什么中国经济会是良性的(不会突然崩溃的那种恶性)。
"This isn't some fringe liberal idea" - took it from the World Economic Forum, the richest of the rich hahaha. You never made a point for why Chinese economy is good.
楼上,“这根本不是什么边缘的自由主义思想”——这句话来自世界经济论坛,富人中最富有的人说的,哈哈哈,你从来没有说明白,为什么中国经济会是良性的(不会突然崩溃的那种恶性)。
Somedudeontheinternet
Propaganda my guy he's just making Propaganda
伙计,他只是在做宣传
孙策
Propaganda my guy he's just making Propaganda
伙计,他只是在做宣传
孙策
In fact, China's economy is good, this is very normal, China's history is an economic power, without the emergence of the United States, China may have long become the world hegemony, those anti-China Western countries, they will be as friendly as in the past and China trade.And called the Chinese white.
事实上,中国的经济是良性经济,是很正常的经济模式,中国历史上就是一个经济大国,如果没有美国的出现,中国可能早就成为世界霸权了,那些反华的西方国家,他们会像过去一样和中国友好贸易,把中国人叫做白大人。
事实上,中国的经济是良性经济,是很正常的经济模式,中国历史上就是一个经济大国,如果没有美国的出现,中国可能早就成为世界霸权了,那些反华的西方国家,他们会像过去一样和中国友好贸易,把中国人叫做白大人。

Yaria Samavan Carlan
China economy is good because they took our jobs. He said that. Did you watched the video?
中国经济好是因为他们抢走了我们的工作。他是这么说的,你们都看视频了吗?
China economy is good because they took our jobs. He said that. Did you watched the video?
中国经济好是因为他们抢走了我们的工作。他是这么说的,你们都看视频了吗?

Chunhui Ren
Lol, to avoid wasting 16 minutes of your life, his answer is simply “capitalism”.
哈哈,为了避免浪费大家16分钟的生命,他最终的答案是“资本主义”。
Lol, to avoid wasting 16 minutes of your life, his answer is simply “capitalism”.
哈哈,为了避免浪费大家16分钟的生命,他最终的答案是“资本主义”。
Ishan Mukherjee
Johnny Harris uploads two videos in a week
I think we found a glitch in the matrix.
约翰尼·哈里斯,一周内上传了两个视频(一样)
我想我们发现了一个小故障。
Johnny Harris uploads two videos in a week
I think we found a glitch in the matrix.
约翰尼·哈里斯,一周内上传了两个视频(一样)
我想我们发现了一个小故障。

Lex Scot
Yeah I just don't trust that and this guy seems like a sham to me, He's plugging for the same people who wants us to own nothing and be happy
我不相信这家伙,在我看来他是个骗子,他在为那些希望我们一无所有,却快乐的人做宣传
Yeah I just don't trust that and this guy seems like a sham to me, He's plugging for the same people who wants us to own nothing and be happy
我不相信这家伙,在我看来他是个骗子,他在为那些希望我们一无所有,却快乐的人做宣传

AG
@Cecilia Cecchet it ain't easy being an american
做一个美国人不容易
@Cecilia Cecchet it ain't easy being an american
做一个美国人不容易
blueulb
stakeholder capitalism isn't socialism. It's a economic liberalism (liberalism is not progressivism, despite what most americans believe).
利益关联资本主义不是社会主义,这是一种经济自由主义(自由主义不是进步主义,尽管大多数美国人认为它是)
stakeholder capitalism isn't socialism. It's a economic liberalism (liberalism is not progressivism, despite what most americans believe).
利益关联资本主义不是社会主义,这是一种经济自由主义(自由主义不是进步主义,尽管大多数美国人认为它是)
Dee B.
I thought this video was about China... Or is it 'how to be like China' and combine capitalism and socialism. I don't think it's possible, even Chinese don't think their brand of socialism is transferrable to other cultures
我以为这个视频是关于中国的……或者是《如何像中国一样》(how to be like China),把资本主义和社会主义结合起来,结果并不是。
不过我认为做到和中国一样是不可能的,即使是中国人也不认为他们的特色社会主义制度,可以移植到其他文化中
I thought this video was about China... Or is it 'how to be like China' and combine capitalism and socialism. I don't think it's possible, even Chinese don't think their brand of socialism is transferrable to other cultures
我以为这个视频是关于中国的……或者是《如何像中国一样》(how to be like China),把资本主义和社会主义结合起来,结果并不是。
不过我认为做到和中国一样是不可能的,即使是中国人也不认为他们的特色社会主义制度,可以移植到其他文化中

Tyler Hills
"how did China become so big?" Nahhhh I ain't gonna talk about that -- "let's push the World Economic Forum and the Great Reset"
“中国是怎么变得这么强大的?”呃呐……我不打算谈这个,我来说:“让我们推动世界经济论坛和大重置吧”
"how did China become so big?" Nahhhh I ain't gonna talk about that -- "let's push the World Economic Forum and the Great Reset"
“中国是怎么变得这么强大的?”呃呐……我不打算谈这个,我来说:“让我们推动世界经济论坛和大重置吧”
orange juice
Did you seriously, with a straight face, suggest that Walmart and Apple are moving towards a more socially conscious capitalism?? This video was so biased and it's ironic since you just released a video on journalistic integrity.
你板着脸,暗示沃尔玛和苹果正在向更有社会意识的资本主义发展,是认真的吗?这个视频太有偏见了!而且很讽刺,因为你刚刚发布了一个关于新闻诚信的视频。
Did you seriously, with a straight face, suggest that Walmart and Apple are moving towards a more socially conscious capitalism?? This video was so biased and it's ironic since you just released a video on journalistic integrity.
你板着脸,暗示沃尔玛和苹果正在向更有社会意识的资本主义发展,是认真的吗?这个视频太有偏见了!而且很讽刺,因为你刚刚发布了一个关于新闻诚信的视频。
Andrew Eisenman
Ooooh I love the definition of “stakeholders” you’re presenting here. That’s great
哦哦哦,我很喜欢您在这里提出的“利益相关者”的定义,很不错
Ooooh I love the definition of “stakeholders” you’re presenting here. That’s great
哦哦哦,我很喜欢您在这里提出的“利益相关者”的定义,很不错
Nathaly Kim
i don't feel like it was capitalism that saved France, Japan, South Korea after ww2
it was rather the fact that the united states was so worried in maintaining these economies in their capitalist sphere, that it literally financed their development
us' loans have a huge role in the economic success of these and other counties
我不觉得是资本主义在二战后拯救了法国、日本和韩国
事实上,美国非常关心这些经济体在他们的资本主义领域的发展,所以美国主动为它们的发展提供了资金
美国的贷款在这些国家和其他国家的经济成功中,发挥了巨大的作用
i don't feel like it was capitalism that saved France, Japan, South Korea after ww2
it was rather the fact that the united states was so worried in maintaining these economies in their capitalist sphere, that it literally financed their development
us' loans have a huge role in the economic success of these and other counties
我不觉得是资本主义在二战后拯救了法国、日本和韩国
事实上,美国非常关心这些经济体在他们的资本主义领域的发展,所以美国主动为它们的发展提供了资金
美国的贷款在这些国家和其他国家的经济成功中,发挥了巨大的作用
Renz D
The marshal plan you mean? Even if it's true, then why the similar plan of the USSR didn’t lifted out N.Korea, Cuba, and former eastern bloc from poverty?
Ultimately, it has something to do with free enterprenuership, decentralization, and liberty which wil you find in capitalism (tho, it's not wholly free-market, but regulated or keynesian one).
你是在说marshal计划吗?即使这是真的,那么为什么苏联类似的计划没有让朝鲜、古巴和前东欧集团摆脱贫困呢?
归根结底,它与自由创业、权力下放和你在资本主义中可以找到的自由有关(尽管它不是完全的自由市场,而是受管制的或凯恩斯主义的形式自由)。
The marshal plan you mean? Even if it's true, then why the similar plan of the USSR didn’t lifted out N.Korea, Cuba, and former eastern bloc from poverty?
Ultimately, it has something to do with free enterprenuership, decentralization, and liberty which wil you find in capitalism (tho, it's not wholly free-market, but regulated or keynesian one).
你是在说marshal计划吗?即使这是真的,那么为什么苏联类似的计划没有让朝鲜、古巴和前东欧集团摆脱贫困呢?
归根结底,它与自由创业、权力下放和你在资本主义中可以找到的自由有关(尽管它不是完全的自由市场,而是受管制的或凯恩斯主义的形式自由)。
Kron
@Renz D ever heard of sanctions and embargoes? We've denied cuba access to the global economy for over a half century.
The Russian Empire was literally a fuedal state of serfs, with less than 20% literacy rate before the soviets took power and implemented mass education and industrialization.
I dunno, maybe history has something to do with how things are today and it isn't as simple as some magical properties associated with what you think capitalism is.
听说过制裁和禁运吗?半个多世纪以来,我们一直在阻止古巴参与全球经济。
在苏联掌权并实施大规模教育和工业化之前,俄罗斯帝国实际上是一个由农奴组成的封建国家,识字率不到20%。
我不知道怎么说,也许历史与今天的情况有一部分相关,但它并不像你所认为的资本主义最牛逼那么简单。
@Renz D ever heard of sanctions and embargoes? We've denied cuba access to the global economy for over a half century.
The Russian Empire was literally a fuedal state of serfs, with less than 20% literacy rate before the soviets took power and implemented mass education and industrialization.
I dunno, maybe history has something to do with how things are today and it isn't as simple as some magical properties associated with what you think capitalism is.
听说过制裁和禁运吗?半个多世纪以来,我们一直在阻止古巴参与全球经济。
在苏联掌权并实施大规模教育和工业化之前,俄罗斯帝国实际上是一个由农奴组成的封建国家,识字率不到20%。
我不知道怎么说,也许历史与今天的情况有一部分相关,但它并不像你所认为的资本主义最牛逼那么简单。
Selperun
@Kron Not to mention that despite all the starvation jokes, it even decreased compared to what Imperial Russia went through. Theres a reason people were in favor of the soviets for this long.
尽管有很多关于饥饿的笑话,但苏联比俄帝国时期的少太多了。人们那么长时间支持苏联是有原因的。
@Kron Not to mention that despite all the starvation jokes, it even decreased compared to what Imperial Russia went through. Theres a reason people were in favor of the soviets for this long.
尽管有很多关于饥饿的笑话,但苏联比俄帝国时期的少太多了。人们那么长时间支持苏联是有原因的。
Daniel Konzman
Great point. He really missed some important points like that. Those economies did well because they had foreign investment and also because they ignored a key tenant of neoliberalism by supporting their growing industries. He failed to articulate the distinction between capitalism in its Keynesian form and neoliberal. One maintains social programs while the other destroys them and produces great inequalities.
他真的漏掉了某些很重要的关键!
东亚经济体之所以表现良好,一方面是因为它们有外国投资,另一方面是因为它们无视了所谓的新自由主义,通过支持本国不断发展工业。
他未能明确区分凯恩斯主义形式的资本主义和新自由主义形式的资本主义。一个维护社会计划,另一个破坏社会计划,这会造成严重的不平等。
Great point. He really missed some important points like that. Those economies did well because they had foreign investment and also because they ignored a key tenant of neoliberalism by supporting their growing industries. He failed to articulate the distinction between capitalism in its Keynesian form and neoliberal. One maintains social programs while the other destroys them and produces great inequalities.
他真的漏掉了某些很重要的关键!
东亚经济体之所以表现良好,一方面是因为它们有外国投资,另一方面是因为它们无视了所谓的新自由主义,通过支持本国不断发展工业。
他未能明确区分凯恩斯主义形式的资本主义和新自由主义形式的资本主义。一个维护社会计划,另一个破坏社会计划,这会造成严重的不平等。
Gobi Murugesan
Fun fact: Pakistan was once considered as competitor in the Asia's tigers list like Singapore, Taiwan. After that politicians used religion for votes then boom...
有趣的事实:巴基斯坦曾被认为是亚洲四小龙的竞争对手,就像新加坡、台湾。但在那之后的时间,政客们利用宗教来拉票获取权利,然后爆炸……
Fun fact: Pakistan was once considered as competitor in the Asia's tigers list like Singapore, Taiwan. After that politicians used religion for votes then boom...
有趣的事实:巴基斯坦曾被认为是亚洲四小龙的竞争对手,就像新加坡、台湾。但在那之后的时间,政客们利用宗教来拉票获取权利,然后爆炸……
emae
Why does this rock on the shelf look like the cutest face ever!?!?! ( it also probably is not a rock...)
为什么架子上的这块石头,看起来像史上最可爱的脸!(它也可能不是一块石头……)
Why does this rock on the shelf look like the cutest face ever!?!?! ( it also probably is not a rock...)
为什么架子上的这块石头,看起来像史上最可爱的脸!(它也可能不是一块石头……)
HarBuggley James
He’s really dedicated to the graph-paper fantasy hahaha
Lifts up blank sheet and studies briefly ‘Hmm I see...’
他真的很喜欢用图形幻想,哈哈哈
拿起一张白纸,简单地研究一下“嗯,我明白了……”
He’s really dedicated to the graph-paper fantasy hahaha
Lifts up blank sheet and studies briefly ‘Hmm I see...’
他真的很喜欢用图形幻想,哈哈哈
拿起一张白纸,简单地研究一下“嗯,我明白了……”
Henrik
Interesting, however I was hoping for a deeper look at China
有意思,不过我希望你能更深入地了解中国
Interesting, however I was hoping for a deeper look at China
有意思,不过我希望你能更深入地了解中国
Peter Lonjers
Yea this was really terrible. It really neglects to show how much damage Western powers caused to China. It also gives was too much credit to capitalism for China's rise. China was already growing fast by the time it started capitalistic reforms. And those reforms never went as far as the West but despite that it still has a faster growing economy than the West.
是的,这真的很糟糕。它真的忽视了西方列强对中国造成了多大的损害。它还把中国的崛起归功于资本主义。中国在开始资本主义改革时已经发展迅速,而这些改革从来没有追随西方的资本主义,但它的经济增长仍比西方快。
Yea this was really terrible. It really neglects to show how much damage Western powers caused to China. It also gives was too much credit to capitalism for China's rise. China was already growing fast by the time it started capitalistic reforms. And those reforms never went as far as the West but despite that it still has a faster growing economy than the West.
是的,这真的很糟糕。它真的忽视了西方列强对中国造成了多大的损害。它还把中国的崛起归功于资本主义。中国在开始资本主义改革时已经发展迅速,而这些改革从来没有追随西方的资本主义,但它的经济增长仍比西方快。
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