爱沙尼亚是其他前苏联国家“羡慕”的对象吗?如果是这样,为什么?
Is Estonia the "envy" of the other former Soviet and Communist countries? If so, why?
译文简介
偶尔看看俄罗斯跟周边国家的争吵也挺有意思的，中国跟周边和欧美的争吵都看烦了。
正文翻译
Is Estonia the "envy" of the other former Soviet and Communist countries? If so, why?
爱沙尼亚是其他前苏联国家“羡慕”的对象吗?如果是这样,为什么?
爱沙尼亚是其他前苏联国家“羡慕”的对象吗?如果是这样,为什么?
评论翻译
官方宣传的另一个热门话题是嘲笑爱沙尼亚的小军队。这幅漫画指的是关于爱沙尼亚突击队员为破坏性防御行动进行训练的新闻，这将减缓俄罗斯可能的入侵，直到北约快速部署部队前来支援。
“你需要吓唬敌人”:
Boban Sosan
including Dima Vorobiev
“For most Russians, it’s a mystery how such a tiny nation can manage on its own, living seemingly from clipping each other’s hair and selling groceries to each other.” haha
对于大多数俄罗斯人来说，这样一个小国家是如何靠自己的力量——互相剪头发和卖杂货维持生计并生存下来的，这是个谜。
哈哈哈哈
Sami Ahonen
That’s called trade. Trade can be and increasingly is immaterial. Innovations will diminish the importance of gas and oil not to mention coal. Russians just think they can pump infinite riches out of Mother Russia as if she were a milch cow – and throw garbage into her endless bosom just as liberally.
这就是所谓的贸易。
贸易可以但越来越无关紧要。创新将降低天然气和石油的重要性，更不用说煤炭了。
俄罗斯人只是认为他们可以从俄罗斯母亲那里榨取无穷无尽的财富，就好像她是一头挤奶的奶牛一样——并且毫不吝惜地把垃圾扔进她无尽的怀抱里。
That’s called trade. Trade can be and increasingly is immaterial. Innovations will diminish the importance of gas and oil not to mention coal. Russians just think they can pump infinite riches out of Mother Russia as if she were a milch cow – and throw garbage into her endless bosom just as liberally.
这就是所谓的贸易。
贸易可以但越来越无关紧要。创新将降低天然气和石油的重要性，更不用说煤炭了。
俄罗斯人只是认为他们可以从俄罗斯母亲那里榨取无穷无尽的财富，就好像她是一头挤奶的奶牛一样——并且毫不吝惜地把垃圾扔进她无尽的怀抱里。
Simon Long
I wish more trade was in electrons, and less in stuff shipped around the world in heavy containers. With specific reference to the west living from clipping each others hair and getting all of their goods from China. I’d prefer bureaucracy was farmed out overseas and manufacturing kept in house.
我希望更多的贸易是在电子方面，而不是在世界各地用重型集装箱运输的货物方面。特别是西方的生活方式，他们互相剪头发，所有商品都来自中国。我宁愿把官僚机构外包到海外，把制造业留在国内。
I wish more trade was in electrons, and less in stuff shipped around the world in heavy containers. With specific reference to the west living from clipping each others hair and getting all of their goods from China. I’d prefer bureaucracy was farmed out overseas and manufacturing kept in house.
我希望更多的贸易是在电子方面，而不是在世界各地用重型集装箱运输的货物方面。特别是西方的生活方式，他们互相剪头发，所有商品都来自中国。我宁愿把官僚机构外包到海外，把制造业留在国内。
Chris Judge
including Dima Vorobiev
Thanks Joel. That’s the sort of thing Quora is good for.
谢谢，Joel。这正是Quora的优势所在。
including Dima Vorobiev
Thanks Joel. That’s the sort of thing Quora is good for.
谢谢，Joel。这正是Quora的优势所在。
Dima Vorobiev
from Martin Jacob Kristoffersen
Exactly. Dere klipper hår på hverandre og vi pumper olje. Everyone’s set alright
没错，每个人的位置都已经安排好了。
from Martin Jacob Kristoffersen
Exactly. Dere klipper hår på hverandre og vi pumper olje. Everyone’s set alright
没错，每个人的位置都已经安排好了。
Martin Jacob Kristoffersen
including Dima Vorobiev
Lol. Yes, everyone`s set. It is quite peculiar that the service sector`s value added share of GDP in the whole world is 65 percent. Even in Russia it`s 54, 60 in Estonia.
So you could say most people on the planet are living off by clipping each other`s hair, Russia included.
But they need petroleum to get to work, to make plastic for the scissor handles, and for vaseline in hair styling products, coal to stay warm, copper for electricity and rare earth minerals for the batteries to the hair cutting machine, This guy had a really hard time understanding that, and said that we can just use data to find oil and minerals.
哈哈哈，是的，每个人的位置都安排好了。
奇特的是，服务业产值占全球GDP的比重达到65%。在俄罗斯也有54%，在爱沙尼亚是60%。
所以你可以说这个星球上的大多数人都靠剪别人的头发为生，俄罗斯也不例外。
但他们上班需要石油，剪子柄需要塑料，头发定型产品需要凡士林，取暖需要煤炭，发电需要铜，剪发机的电池需要稀土矿物。那个声称我们可以用数据来找到石油和矿产的人是很难理解这一点的。
including Dima Vorobiev
Lol. Yes, everyone`s set. It is quite peculiar that the service sector`s value added share of GDP in the whole world is 65 percent. Even in Russia it`s 54, 60 in Estonia.
So you could say most people on the planet are living off by clipping each other`s hair, Russia included.
But they need petroleum to get to work, to make plastic for the scissor handles, and for vaseline in hair styling products, coal to stay warm, copper for electricity and rare earth minerals for the batteries to the hair cutting machine, This guy had a really hard time understanding that, and said that we can just use data to find oil and minerals.
哈哈哈，是的，每个人的位置都安排好了。
奇特的是，服务业产值占全球GDP的比重达到65%。在俄罗斯也有54%，在爱沙尼亚是60%。
所以你可以说这个星球上的大多数人都靠剪别人的头发为生，俄罗斯也不例外。
但他们上班需要石油，剪子柄需要塑料，头发定型产品需要凡士林，取暖需要煤炭，发电需要铜，剪发机的电池需要稀土矿物。那个声称我们可以用数据来找到石油和矿产的人是很难理解这一点的。
Susanna Viljanen
In the future, oil will go the way which coal has gone already: become redundant.
We are on the verge of abandoning combustion engine cars altogether, and combustion engines in general are so last season. They are sunset technology. Every year sees cheaper and more efficient solar panels, wind turbines, batteries and other means of creating electricity than burning things up and boiling water. The Second Industrial Revolution (1870 to 1940) made oil meaningful; the Fourth Industrial Revolution (2010 to near future) will make it irrelevant.
This is not to say oil wasn’t important for the world of today, but within 20 years its production will diminish, prices plummet and oil industry in general be run down.
Russians, Venezuelans and Arabs are better to learn to drink their oil.
在未来，石油将走上煤炭的路:变得多余。
我们正处于完全放弃内燃机汽车的边缘，而一般来说，内燃机已经过时了。它们是夕阳科技。每年都能看到更便宜、更高效的太阳能电池板、风力涡轮机、电池和其他发电方式，而不是烧火烧水。第二次工业革命(1870年至1940年)使石油变得有意义;第四次工业革命(2010年到不久的将来)将使它变得无关紧要。
这并不是说石油对当今世界不重要，但在20年内，石油产量将会减少，价格将会暴跌，整个石油行业将会走下坡路。
俄罗斯人、委内瑞拉人和阿拉伯人最好学如何饮用他们的石油。
In the future, oil will go the way which coal has gone already: become redundant.
We are on the verge of abandoning combustion engine cars altogether, and combustion engines in general are so last season. They are sunset technology. Every year sees cheaper and more efficient solar panels, wind turbines, batteries and other means of creating electricity than burning things up and boiling water. The Second Industrial Revolution (1870 to 1940) made oil meaningful; the Fourth Industrial Revolution (2010 to near future) will make it irrelevant.
This is not to say oil wasn’t important for the world of today, but within 20 years its production will diminish, prices plummet and oil industry in general be run down.
Russians, Venezuelans and Arabs are better to learn to drink their oil.
在未来，石油将走上煤炭的路:变得多余。
我们正处于完全放弃内燃机汽车的边缘，而一般来说，内燃机已经过时了。它们是夕阳科技。每年都能看到更便宜、更高效的太阳能电池板、风力涡轮机、电池和其他发电方式，而不是烧火烧水。第二次工业革命(1870年至1940年)使石油变得有意义;第四次工业革命(2010年到不久的将来)将使它变得无关紧要。
这并不是说石油对当今世界不重要，但在20年内，石油产量将会减少，价格将会暴跌，整个石油行业将会走下坡路。
俄罗斯人、委内瑞拉人和阿拉伯人最好学如何饮用他们的石油。
————
Linda Robinett
including Dima Vorobiev
I found Estonia to be a lovely country. The people seemed to have a lot of pride and were proud of their “singing revolution.”
我发现爱沙尼亚是一个可爱的国家。人们似乎很为他们的“歌唱革命”感到自豪。
Linda Robinett
including Dima Vorobiev
I found Estonia to be a lovely country. The people seemed to have a lot of pride and were proud of their “singing revolution.”
我发现爱沙尼亚是一个可爱的国家。人们似乎很为他们的“歌唱革命”感到自豪。
————
Stefan Damnjanovic
including Dima Vorobiev
I’m with you on most of what you wrote but bro a primarily service based economy is what all industrial nations eventually transition into; it’s often the mark of a developed country.
Natural resources are finite. Estonia like you say has an enormous tech sector (considering it’s size) and professional services relating to that is hardly just cutting each other’s hair and buying groceries from each other.
Most of their investment has been from Finland and Sweden as far as I know, which along with the know-how from those two countries is what has led to Estonia becoming far more developed than the other Baltic States (Latvia & Lithuania).
Kind regards Russian brother (from a Serb)
Slava Rossiya!
我同意你的大部分观点，但是以服务为基础的经济是所有工业国家最终都会过渡到的经济，这通常是一个发达国家的标志。
自然资源是有限的，就像你说的，爱沙尼亚拥有庞大的科技产业(考虑到它的规模)，与之相关的专业服务不仅仅是互相理发和购买日用品。
据我所知，他们的大部分投资来自芬兰和瑞典，这些投资加上这两个国家的专门知识，使爱沙尼亚比其他波罗的海国家(拉脱维亚和立陶宛)更加发达。
——亲切问候俄罗斯兄弟(来自塞尔维亚)
Stefan Damnjanovic
including Dima Vorobiev
I’m with you on most of what you wrote but bro a primarily service based economy is what all industrial nations eventually transition into; it’s often the mark of a developed country.
Natural resources are finite. Estonia like you say has an enormous tech sector (considering it’s size) and professional services relating to that is hardly just cutting each other’s hair and buying groceries from each other.
Most of their investment has been from Finland and Sweden as far as I know, which along with the know-how from those two countries is what has led to Estonia becoming far more developed than the other Baltic States (Latvia & Lithuania).
Kind regards Russian brother (from a Serb)
Slava Rossiya!
我同意你的大部分观点，但是以服务为基础的经济是所有工业国家最终都会过渡到的经济，这通常是一个发达国家的标志。
自然资源是有限的，就像你说的，爱沙尼亚拥有庞大的科技产业(考虑到它的规模)，与之相关的专业服务不仅仅是互相理发和购买日用品。
据我所知，他们的大部分投资来自芬兰和瑞典，这些投资加上这两个国家的专门知识，使爱沙尼亚比其他波罗的海国家(拉脱维亚和立陶宛)更加发达。
——亲切问候俄罗斯兄弟(来自塞尔维亚)
Vaidas K
including Dima Vorobiev
The prosperity of Estonia is based on population’s Nordic rational mentality and a protestant work ethics.
爱沙尼亚的繁荣是建立在北欧人的理性心态和新教的工作伦理基础上的。
including Dima Vorobiev
The prosperity of Estonia is based on population’s Nordic rational mentality and a protestant work ethics.
爱沙尼亚的繁荣是建立在北欧人的理性心态和新教的工作伦理基础上的。
Craig Urquhart
And yet, the Estonians are quietly building an effective, modern state.
Why are Russians so astonishingly blind to this kind of thing?
说了那么多，然而，爱沙尼亚人正在悄悄地建立一个有效率的现代国家。为什么俄罗斯人对这种事情如此视而不见?
And yet, the Estonians are quietly building an effective, modern state.
Why are Russians so astonishingly blind to this kind of thing?
说了那么多，然而，爱沙尼亚人正在悄悄地建立一个有效率的现代国家。为什么俄罗斯人对这种事情如此视而不见?
Suttichart Denpreuktham
selling Russain vodka to the occasional Finn visitor?
把俄罗斯伏特加卖给偶尔来的芬兰人，这怎么说?
selling Russain vodka to the occasional Finn visitor?
把俄罗斯伏特加卖给偶尔来的芬兰人，这怎么说?
James Leland
There are Russians in Estonia and they are poor but they are not as poor as Russians in Russia. Estonia has suffered for centuries from Russian aggression. Russians can not understand how Estonia can flourish because they have accepted that corruption is the usually form of business and do not understand that it causes Russian poverty where as Estonia’s acceptance of rule of law allows prosperity. Since the Russians accept corruption and brutality as their lot in life they have to denegrate nations which are far better places to live. This also drives their desire to reincorporate these smaller nations into their empire, If Russians have short miserable lives why shouldn’t the Estonians too, is closer to Russian thinking than they don’t have any resources. Russians don’t mind misery as long as their naibours are mostly miserable too and that is at the national and personal level.
爱沙尼亚有俄罗斯人，他们很穷，但他们不像俄罗斯境内的人那么穷。爱沙尼亚几个世纪以来一直遭受俄罗斯的侵略。俄罗斯人无法理解爱沙尼亚是如何繁荣起来的，因为他们已经接受了腐败是一种常见的商业形式，也无法理解腐败导致俄罗斯贫困，而爱沙尼亚接受法治并允许繁荣的原因。
既然俄罗斯人接受了腐败和残暴作为他们的命运，他们就必须摒弃那些更适合居住的国家。这也促使他们将这些小国重新纳入他们的帝国，如果俄罗斯人的生活短暂又悲惨，为什么爱沙尼亚人不——这更接近俄罗斯人的想法，而不是他们没有任何资源。
俄罗斯人不介意痛苦，只要他们的邻居也大多是痛苦的。无论是国家层面还是个人层面。
There are Russians in Estonia and they are poor but they are not as poor as Russians in Russia. Estonia has suffered for centuries from Russian aggression. Russians can not understand how Estonia can flourish because they have accepted that corruption is the usually form of business and do not understand that it causes Russian poverty where as Estonia’s acceptance of rule of law allows prosperity. Since the Russians accept corruption and brutality as their lot in life they have to denegrate nations which are far better places to live. This also drives their desire to reincorporate these smaller nations into their empire, If Russians have short miserable lives why shouldn’t the Estonians too, is closer to Russian thinking than they don’t have any resources. Russians don’t mind misery as long as their naibours are mostly miserable too and that is at the national and personal level.
爱沙尼亚有俄罗斯人，他们很穷，但他们不像俄罗斯境内的人那么穷。爱沙尼亚几个世纪以来一直遭受俄罗斯的侵略。俄罗斯人无法理解爱沙尼亚是如何繁荣起来的，因为他们已经接受了腐败是一种常见的商业形式，也无法理解腐败导致俄罗斯贫困，而爱沙尼亚接受法治并允许繁荣的原因。
既然俄罗斯人接受了腐败和残暴作为他们的命运，他们就必须摒弃那些更适合居住的国家。这也促使他们将这些小国重新纳入他们的帝国，如果俄罗斯人的生活短暂又悲惨，为什么爱沙尼亚人不——这更接近俄罗斯人的想法，而不是他们没有任何资源。
俄罗斯人不介意痛苦，只要他们的邻居也大多是痛苦的。无论是国家层面还是个人层面。
Sami Ahonen
The Estonian rationale is completely ignored in news stories—not only in Russia, but in most of Western reporting as well—on the alleged discrimination of Russians or Russian-speakers in granting citizenship. Estonians are adamant about the legal continuity of the Republic of Estonia. So why people have been treated differently has nothing to do with their language or ethnicity but with citizenship of the pre-war Republic of Estonia: either you are a citizen or a descendant of a citizen or then you are not. Not very many complaints about discrimination have been heard from Estonia’s Old Believer Russian community, the traditional Russian minority there.
But those bad Estonians just won’t give people Passports!! Imagine the affront! Moscow was more than generous giving Estonians brand new Passports, right…?
(Of course some people don’t even want citizenship, because they don’t feel like learning Estonian at older age or simply don’t care about Tallinn politics. They can vote in local elections being residents, and crossing the border to Russia with the grey Estonian Alien’s Passport is a piece of cake, so they actually prefer this to being citizens.)
爱沙尼亚的基本原则在新闻报道中完全被忽视了。不仅在俄罗斯，而且在大多数西方报道中也是如此。关于俄罗斯人或讲俄语的人在授予公民身份方面受到歧视的指控。
爱沙尼亚人坚持认为爱沙尼亚共和国具有法律连续性。因此，人们被区别对待的原因与他们的语言或种族无关，而是与战前爱沙尼亚共和国的公民身份有关:你要么是公民，要么是公民的后裔，要么就不是。
在爱沙尼亚的传统俄罗斯社区的老信徒们那里并没有听到多少关于歧视的抱怨。
但是，那些糟糕的爱沙尼亚人就是不给人们护照，这是侮辱!所以莫斯科有慷慨地给爱沙尼亚人崭新的护照，对吗?
当然，有些人甚至不想要公民身份，因为他们不想在年迈时还要学习爱沙尼亚语，或者根本不关心塔林（爱沙尼亚首都）的政治。他们可以在当地选举中投票，并利用灰色的爱沙尼亚外国人护照穿越边境去俄罗斯，这小菜一碟，所以他们实际上更喜欢这样而不是成为本地公民。
The Estonian rationale is completely ignored in news stories—not only in Russia, but in most of Western reporting as well—on the alleged discrimination of Russians or Russian-speakers in granting citizenship. Estonians are adamant about the legal continuity of the Republic of Estonia. So why people have been treated differently has nothing to do with their language or ethnicity but with citizenship of the pre-war Republic of Estonia: either you are a citizen or a descendant of a citizen or then you are not. Not very many complaints about discrimination have been heard from Estonia’s Old Believer Russian community, the traditional Russian minority there.
But those bad Estonians just won’t give people Passports!! Imagine the affront! Moscow was more than generous giving Estonians brand new Passports, right…?
(Of course some people don’t even want citizenship, because they don’t feel like learning Estonian at older age or simply don’t care about Tallinn politics. They can vote in local elections being residents, and crossing the border to Russia with the grey Estonian Alien’s Passport is a piece of cake, so they actually prefer this to being citizens.)
爱沙尼亚的基本原则在新闻报道中完全被忽视了。不仅在俄罗斯，而且在大多数西方报道中也是如此。关于俄罗斯人或讲俄语的人在授予公民身份方面受到歧视的指控。
爱沙尼亚人坚持认为爱沙尼亚共和国具有法律连续性。因此，人们被区别对待的原因与他们的语言或种族无关，而是与战前爱沙尼亚共和国的公民身份有关:你要么是公民，要么是公民的后裔，要么就不是。
在爱沙尼亚的传统俄罗斯社区的老信徒们那里并没有听到多少关于歧视的抱怨。
但是，那些糟糕的爱沙尼亚人就是不给人们护照，这是侮辱!所以莫斯科有慷慨地给爱沙尼亚人崭新的护照，对吗?
当然，有些人甚至不想要公民身份，因为他们不想在年迈时还要学习爱沙尼亚语，或者根本不关心塔林（爱沙尼亚首都）的政治。他们可以在当地选举中投票，并利用灰色的爱沙尼亚外国人护照穿越边境去俄罗斯，这小菜一碟，所以他们实际上更喜欢这样而不是成为本地公民。
Manuel Angst
People who have lived all their life in a country should have the opportunity to get citizenship of that country, regardless of history.
It’s not complicated.
(asking that they speak the language is of course only fair)
无论历史如何，在一个国家生活了一辈子的人应该有机会获得该国公民身份。
这并不复杂。
要求他们说本地语言当然是公平的。
People who have lived all their life in a country should have the opportunity to get citizenship of that country, regardless of history.
It’s not complicated.
(asking that they speak the language is of course only fair)
无论历史如何，在一个国家生活了一辈子的人应该有机会获得该国公民身份。
这并不复杂。
要求他们说本地语言当然是公平的。
Sami Ahonen
including Manuel Angst
(I’m glad we agree. But just to make sure:)
They do have, any of them, regardless of history and ethnic or national background, the opportunity to get citizenship. Even if they don’t, they have rights, such as the right to vote in local elections as residents. (As I already said, many ethnic Russians of the north-east prefer the “gray passport” because it makes things easier for them with Russia. This is completely ignored in Russia’s media propaganda.)
Incidentally, as Russia(n propaganda) seems to be so triggered about the rights of Russians in Estonia, how is it with non-citizen residents in Russia? Do they have the same rights? I’m rather implying that maybe local elections would be of some consequence in Russia, but I may be wrong.
What I was talking about above was those who became citizens of the newly independent republic “automatically”. Actually, they did not become citizens; they (or their ancestors) were citizens of the Republic of Estonia, so they were citizens when the independence of the country was restored.
我很高兴我们观点一致，但需要明确的是：
他们中的任何一个人，不论其历史、种族或国家背景，都有获得公民身份的机会。即使他们不是公民，他们也有权利，比如作为居民在地方选举中投票的权利。(正如我已经说过的，许多东北地区的俄罗斯族人更喜欢“灰色护照”，因为这让他们与俄罗斯相处更容易。这在俄罗斯的媒体宣传中完全被忽视了。)
顺便提一下，俄罗斯的宣传中似乎非常关注身在爱沙尼亚的俄罗斯人的权利，但俄罗斯的非公民居民又是如何被看待的呢?他们有同样的权利吗?我的意思是，也许地方选举在俄罗斯会产生一些影响，但我可能是错的。
我上面所说的是那些人本应“自动”成为新独立共和国的公民，他们(或他们的祖先)过去是爱沙尼亚共和国的公民，因此在该国恢复独立时他们本就是公民。然而实际上，他们并没有（选择）成为公民。
including Manuel Angst
(I’m glad we agree. But just to make sure:)
They do have, any of them, regardless of history and ethnic or national background, the opportunity to get citizenship. Even if they don’t, they have rights, such as the right to vote in local elections as residents. (As I already said, many ethnic Russians of the north-east prefer the “gray passport” because it makes things easier for them with Russia. This is completely ignored in Russia’s media propaganda.)
Incidentally, as Russia(n propaganda) seems to be so triggered about the rights of Russians in Estonia, how is it with non-citizen residents in Russia? Do they have the same rights? I’m rather implying that maybe local elections would be of some consequence in Russia, but I may be wrong.
What I was talking about above was those who became citizens of the newly independent republic “automatically”. Actually, they did not become citizens; they (or their ancestors) were citizens of the Republic of Estonia, so they were citizens when the independence of the country was restored.
我很高兴我们观点一致，但需要明确的是：
他们中的任何一个人，不论其历史、种族或国家背景，都有获得公民身份的机会。即使他们不是公民，他们也有权利，比如作为居民在地方选举中投票的权利。(正如我已经说过的，许多东北地区的俄罗斯族人更喜欢“灰色护照”，因为这让他们与俄罗斯相处更容易。这在俄罗斯的媒体宣传中完全被忽视了。)
顺便提一下，俄罗斯的宣传中似乎非常关注身在爱沙尼亚的俄罗斯人的权利，但俄罗斯的非公民居民又是如何被看待的呢?他们有同样的权利吗?我的意思是，也许地方选举在俄罗斯会产生一些影响，但我可能是错的。
我上面所说的是那些人本应“自动”成为新独立共和国的公民，他们(或他们的祖先)过去是爱沙尼亚共和国的公民，因此在该国恢复独立时他们本就是公民。然而实际上，他们并没有（选择）成为公民。
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Priit Silm
As an Estonian in my mid-20s, with keen interests in geopolitics and history, and having also done my compulsory military service, I could have a very long argument about that propaganda, and about what has happened and what is happening, but instead I’ll just say it’s sad that the situation is like it is.
To put it in the simplest of terms: fundamentally, we are simply afraid of you, and considering our tragic history, I don’t really think Russia or anybody else can blame us for being a bit paranoid, whether there is reason to be afraid or not. And namely we are afraid of your regime, not your people, with whom we get along fine, there’s tourism both ways, cultural lixs, etc.
We just want to never be occupied again, and all the decisions we take ultimately serve that purpose. If those fifty years of communism would not have happened, we would basically be a small version of Finland right now. All we want is to stay free and to catch up with our friends in Europe as fast as we can.
作为一个爱沙尼亚人，在我25岁左右, 我对地缘政治和历史有着浓厚的兴趣，而且我也服过义务兵役，我本可以就这种宣传、已经发生的事情和正在发生的事情进行很长时间的争论，但我只想说，可悲的是，情况就是这样。
用最简单的话说:从根本上说，我们只是害怕你们，考虑到我们的悲惨历史，我真的不认为俄罗斯或任何其他国家会因为我们有点偏执而责怪我们，不管我们是否有理由害怕。也就是说，我们害怕你的政权，而不是你的人民，我们和他们相处得很好，有双向旅游，文化联系，等等。
我们只是不想再被占领，我们所做的所有决定最终都是为了这个目的。如果那50年的苏联统治不曾发生，我们现在基本上就是芬兰的缩小版。我们所希望的就是保持自由，并尽快与我们在欧洲的朋友们取得联系。
Priit Silm
As an Estonian in my mid-20s, with keen interests in geopolitics and history, and having also done my compulsory military service, I could have a very long argument about that propaganda, and about what has happened and what is happening, but instead I’ll just say it’s sad that the situation is like it is.
To put it in the simplest of terms: fundamentally, we are simply afraid of you, and considering our tragic history, I don’t really think Russia or anybody else can blame us for being a bit paranoid, whether there is reason to be afraid or not. And namely we are afraid of your regime, not your people, with whom we get along fine, there’s tourism both ways, cultural lixs, etc.
We just want to never be occupied again, and all the decisions we take ultimately serve that purpose. If those fifty years of communism would not have happened, we would basically be a small version of Finland right now. All we want is to stay free and to catch up with our friends in Europe as fast as we can.
作为一个爱沙尼亚人，在我25岁左右, 我对地缘政治和历史有着浓厚的兴趣，而且我也服过义务兵役，我本可以就这种宣传、已经发生的事情和正在发生的事情进行很长时间的争论，但我只想说，可悲的是，情况就是这样。
用最简单的话说:从根本上说，我们只是害怕你们，考虑到我们的悲惨历史，我真的不认为俄罗斯或任何其他国家会因为我们有点偏执而责怪我们，不管我们是否有理由害怕。也就是说，我们害怕你的政权，而不是你的人民，我们和他们相处得很好，有双向旅游，文化联系，等等。
我们只是不想再被占领，我们所做的所有决定最终都是为了这个目的。如果那50年的苏联统治不曾发生，我们现在基本上就是芬兰的缩小版。我们所希望的就是保持自由，并尽快与我们在欧洲的朋友们取得联系。
Bao D Nguyen
So now instead of being independent, you allow yourself to be a tool of NATO.
所以相比于独立，你允许你自己成为北约的工具。
So now instead of being independent, you allow yourself to be a tool of NATO.
所以相比于独立，你允许你自己成为北约的工具。
Vahur Lokk
Bao, NATO hasn’t driven Estonians close to extinction 3 times during the last 500 years. Russia did. Simple as that.
在过去的500年里，北约没有三次将爱沙尼亚人逼到濒临灭绝的边缘，俄罗斯做到了。
就这么简单。
Bao, NATO hasn’t driven Estonians close to extinction 3 times during the last 500 years. Russia did. Simple as that.
在过去的500年里，北约没有三次将爱沙尼亚人逼到濒临灭绝的边缘，俄罗斯做到了。
就这么简单。
Normunds Lauks
They have a really good university and people come from all over the world to live/work in Estonia. Tourism is also a thing in Estonia. I bet they also invest in AI technologies, IT etc. so it is less about products than solutions. Being close to the sea gives you many opportunities (they have cruise ships, fishing etc.). And we have to remember the past, when people lived in small tribes. Small groups are more easy manageable and more productive. I think maybe it is the same with smaller countries. You will always find electricity and communications wherever you go, unlike in Russia. Of course it has some negative side to it, like you don''''t have so many beautiful places untouched by humans, but they still have those. And these days I doubt you have to worry so much about the military strength - most warfare is economic. It would be nonsense to even think about military conflicts.
他们有一所非常好的大学，人们从世界各地来到爱沙尼亚生活/工作。旅游业在爱沙尼亚也很受欢迎。我敢打赌，他们还投资于人工智能技术、IT等，所以与其说是产品，不如说是解决方案。
靠近大海给了你很多机会(他们有游轮，钓鱼等)。我们必须记住过去，那时人们生活在小部落里。小群体更容易管理，效率更高。我想这可能也适用于较小的国家。无论你走到哪里，总能找到电力和通讯设备，这一点与俄罗斯不同。当然，它也有消极的一面，比如你没有那么多美丽的未被人类触及的地方，但他们仍然一些。
这些天来，我怀疑你是否有那么担心军事力量——大多数战争是经济上的。甚至想都别想军事冲突。
They have a really good university and people come from all over the world to live/work in Estonia. Tourism is also a thing in Estonia. I bet they also invest in AI technologies, IT etc. so it is less about products than solutions. Being close to the sea gives you many opportunities (they have cruise ships, fishing etc.). And we have to remember the past, when people lived in small tribes. Small groups are more easy manageable and more productive. I think maybe it is the same with smaller countries. You will always find electricity and communications wherever you go, unlike in Russia. Of course it has some negative side to it, like you don''''t have so many beautiful places untouched by humans, but they still have those. And these days I doubt you have to worry so much about the military strength - most warfare is economic. It would be nonsense to even think about military conflicts.
他们有一所非常好的大学，人们从世界各地来到爱沙尼亚生活/工作。旅游业在爱沙尼亚也很受欢迎。我敢打赌，他们还投资于人工智能技术、IT等，所以与其说是产品，不如说是解决方案。
靠近大海给了你很多机会(他们有游轮，钓鱼等)。我们必须记住过去，那时人们生活在小部落里。小群体更容易管理，效率更高。我想这可能也适用于较小的国家。无论你走到哪里，总能找到电力和通讯设备，这一点与俄罗斯不同。当然，它也有消极的一面，比如你没有那么多美丽的未被人类触及的地方，但他们仍然一些。
这些天来，我怀疑你是否有那么担心军事力量——大多数战争是经济上的。甚至想都别想军事冲突。
Māris Krivtežs
The author of the first cartoon does not understand what the fence is for and displays false assumptions. Estonia and Latvia are building the fence not to protect from Russia but stopping illegal people traffic. There are quite a lot of Vietnamese and other Asian illegal migrants crossing the border.
第一幅漫画的作者不明白栅栏是用来干什么的，并做出了错误的假设。爱沙尼亚和拉脱维亚正在修建围墙，不是为了防止俄罗斯入侵，而是为了阻止非法移民的流动。
有相当多的越南人和其他亚洲非法移民穿越边境。
The author of the first cartoon does not understand what the fence is for and displays false assumptions. Estonia and Latvia are building the fence not to protect from Russia but stopping illegal people traffic. There are quite a lot of Vietnamese and other Asian illegal migrants crossing the border.
第一幅漫画的作者不明白栅栏是用来干什么的，并做出了错误的假设。爱沙尼亚和拉脱维亚正在修建围墙，不是为了防止俄罗斯入侵，而是为了阻止非法移民的流动。
有相当多的越南人和其他亚洲非法移民穿越边境。
Tonia Kisliakov
Estonians hate all things russian as the soviets invaded their country for no reason. Unfortunately not all Russians should be blamed for what communists did
当苏联毫无理由地入侵他们的国家时，爱沙尼亚人憎恨俄罗斯的一切。不幸的是，并不是所有俄罗斯人都应该为苏联的所作所为受到指责
Estonians hate all things russian as the soviets invaded their country for no reason. Unfortunately not all Russians should be blamed for what communists did
当苏联毫无理由地入侵他们的国家时，爱沙尼亚人憎恨俄罗斯的一切。不幸的是，并不是所有俄罗斯人都应该为苏联的所作所为受到指责
Charlotte Jents
That is not true that Estonians hate all things Russian. At all
所谓的爱沙尼亚人憎恨俄罗斯的一切，是完全不对的。
That is not true that Estonians hate all things Russian. At all
所谓的爱沙尼亚人憎恨俄罗斯的一切，是完全不对的。
Charles Landraitis
Estonia is largely seen in the English language press as a model post-Soviet nation, progressive, sophisticated, technology-oriented, and, importantly, picturesque and an excellent tourist destination. Estonia’s government appears to be very open to creative initiatives to make it more efficient and responsive. All of this is an implied rebuke to the memory of the preceding regime. Estonians seem to be demonstrating just how stultifying it must have been to have kept this talented and progressive people down. This is the image, carefully and successfully cultivated. I would guess that many in other former unx republics envy the success of Estonia in branding itself as a modern western nation, worthy of being folded into its economic, cultural and security institutions. The darker narrative of the language conflict and NATO’s presence in close proximity to Estonia’s mammoth neighbor and former “occupier” is also frequently mentioned in the press as an unresolved problem.
在英语报刊上，爱沙尼亚被认为是一个典型的后苏联国家——进步，成熟，以技术为导向，重要的是，风景如画，是一个优秀的旅游目的地。爱沙尼亚政府似乎非常愿意采取创造性的主动行动，以提高其效率和反应能力。
所有这一切都是对前政权记忆的含蓄谴责。爱沙尼亚人似乎正在证明，压制这个有才干和进步的民族是多么愚蠢。这就是精心培育的成功形象。
我想，其他前加盟共和国的许多人羡慕爱沙尼亚成功地标榜自己为一个现代西方国家，值得被纳入其经济、文化和安全机构。
语言冲突/北约在爱沙尼亚/庞大邻国和前“占领者”这类叙事，也经常被媒体提到，成为悬而未决的问题。
Estonia is largely seen in the English language press as a model post-Soviet nation, progressive, sophisticated, technology-oriented, and, importantly, picturesque and an excellent tourist destination. Estonia’s government appears to be very open to creative initiatives to make it more efficient and responsive. All of this is an implied rebuke to the memory of the preceding regime. Estonians seem to be demonstrating just how stultifying it must have been to have kept this talented and progressive people down. This is the image, carefully and successfully cultivated. I would guess that many in other former unx republics envy the success of Estonia in branding itself as a modern western nation, worthy of being folded into its economic, cultural and security institutions. The darker narrative of the language conflict and NATO’s presence in close proximity to Estonia’s mammoth neighbor and former “occupier” is also frequently mentioned in the press as an unresolved problem.
在英语报刊上，爱沙尼亚被认为是一个典型的后苏联国家——进步，成熟，以技术为导向，重要的是，风景如画，是一个优秀的旅游目的地。爱沙尼亚政府似乎非常愿意采取创造性的主动行动，以提高其效率和反应能力。
所有这一切都是对前政权记忆的含蓄谴责。爱沙尼亚人似乎正在证明，压制这个有才干和进步的民族是多么愚蠢。这就是精心培育的成功形象。
我想，其他前加盟共和国的许多人羡慕爱沙尼亚成功地标榜自己为一个现代西方国家，值得被纳入其经济、文化和安全机构。
语言冲突/北约在爱沙尼亚/庞大邻国和前“占领者”这类叙事，也经常被媒体提到，成为悬而未决的问题。
Walter DuBlanica
All the small countries around Russia would do best by joining Russia : Estonia/Latvia/Lithuania/Moldavia/Armenia/Georgia. Russians are decent people.
俄罗斯周围的所有小国都最好加入俄罗斯:爱沙尼亚/拉脱维亚/立陶宛/摩尔达维亚/亚美尼亚/格鲁吉亚。
俄罗斯人是正派的人。
All the small countries around Russia would do best by joining Russia : Estonia/Latvia/Lithuania/Moldavia/Armenia/Georgia. Russians are decent people.
俄罗斯周围的所有小国都最好加入俄罗斯:爱沙尼亚/拉脱维亚/立陶宛/摩尔达维亚/亚美尼亚/格鲁吉亚。
俄罗斯人是正派的人。
Piotr Szafranski
3 upvotes
Sure, last time they did, 103% vote to join, they got a solid help in solving their overpopulation problem. About 10% of people.
对，最后一次他们这样做过，103%的人投票加入俄罗斯，他们有力地帮助当地解决了人口过剩问题，消灭了大约10%的人口。
3 upvotes
Sure, last time they did, 103% vote to join, they got a solid help in solving their overpopulation problem. About 10% of people.
对，最后一次他们这样做过，103%的人投票加入俄罗斯，他们有力地帮助当地解决了人口过剩问题，消灭了大约10%的人口。
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