英国超市威胁称，如果巴西实施加速破坏亚马逊雨林的计划，那么超市将抵制来自巴西的产品
UK supermarkets threaten to boycott products from Brazil if this law goes ahead
译文简介
“你必须非常天真地相信，像英国、美国和法国这样的国家，如果换成它们控制了亚马逊，那它们肯定不会做（和巴西）同样的事情。”
正文翻译
UK supermarkets threaten to boycott products from Brazil if this law goes ahead
-SUPERMARKETS in the UK have threatened to boycott products from Brazil if the country goes ahead with plans that may accelerate the destruction of the Amazon rainforest
英国超市威胁说，如果这项法律实施，他们将抵制来自巴西的产品
——英国超市威胁称，如果巴西实施加速破坏亚马逊雨林的计划，那么超市将抵制来自巴西的产品
新闻介绍：
-SUPERMARKETS in the UK have threatened to boycott products from Brazil if the country goes ahead with plans that may accelerate the destruction of the Amazon rainforest
英国超市威胁说，如果这项法律实施，他们将抵制来自巴西的产品
——英国超市威胁称，如果巴西实施加速破坏亚马逊雨林的计划，那么超市将抵制来自巴西的产品
新闻介绍：
（英国超市和其他几十家公司已经签署了一封致巴西国会的信。）
乐购、塞恩斯伯里、玛莎百货、莫里森等许多超市都敦促巴西政府不要实施其计划。这项名为“临时措施910”或“PL 2633/2020”的法案目前正在巴西国会进行审议。
一封由各大超市签署并直接递交给巴西国会的信表示，该法律将使私营机构获得大部分位于亚马逊河流域的公共土地成为合法行为。
据路透社报道，该法案的支持者表示，通过合法地标记土地，政府将更容易执行防止森林被砍伐的法律。
但批评人士则表示，该法案将起到相反的作用，为在以前的公共土地上进一步砍伐森林打下基础。
零售大豆集团发布的超市联名信草案副本写道：“如果该法案获得通过，那么它将鼓励进一步的土地掠夺和广泛的森林砍伐行为，这将危及亚马逊的生存，并抵触《巴黎气候变化协定》的目标，并损害土著和传统社区的权利。
“我们认为，这也将危及我们这样的组织未来继续从巴西采购的能力。
“我们敦促巴西政府重新考虑其立场，并希望继续与巴西的合作伙伴合作，以证明经济发展和环境保护并非相互排斥。”
这封信还概述了亚马逊雨林作为一种生态环境的重要性，强调了它在调节全球气候方面的作用。
共有40家公司签署了该联名信，其中包括Nando ''s、Ocado、Moy Park等非英国公司。
亚马逊雨林是世界上最大的雨林。据环境科学新闻网站Mongabay报道，雨林覆盖面积达320万平方英里，其中三分之二位于巴西。
据估计，它包含3900亿棵树，以及地球上已知物种的10%，包括250万种昆虫。
但它也是世界上最大的森林砍伐热点地区。世界野生动物联合会估计，按照目前的森林砍伐速度，到2030年，超过四分之一的亚马逊生物群落将会失去树木。
世界自然基金会补充说，在2001年到2012年之间，亚马逊雨林平均每年被砍伐140万公顷，相当于每年超过5405平方英里，或者每天接近15平方英里。
（砍伐森林是亚马逊地区的一个主要问题，大部分原因在于发展畜牧业。）
亚马逊河流域的大部分破坏（大约70%）都是由于畜牧业造成的。
近年来，来自环保组织的压力以及来自私营部门的倡议导致了森林砍伐率的下降。
事实上，昨天写给巴西政府的联名信强调了“巴西在森林法律上的领导地位”，提到了一些协议，比如导致了缓解森林砍伐的亚马逊大豆禁令。
路透社报道称，与最初的构想相比，该法案已被“大幅稀释”。
（据悉，巴西总统波索纳罗支持该法案。）
但显然，人们仍然担心它可能对亚马逊造成的影响。
据巴西众议院议长罗德里戈·玛雅表示，该法案可能于今天进行投票表决。
据悉，该法案得到了巴西总统波索纳罗和他的政府的支持。
评论翻译
Ssundfeld
The idea that developed nations that have deployed their countries of everything are now telling developing nations that they can''t use their resources is so hypocritical and dangerous. Other incentives should be used to stop this sort of situations which by the way are happening to satisfy the hunger of the developed nations that don''t want to reduce their consumption or rate of living but do want to go and tell others what to do. Not acceptable.
发达国家已经拥有了他们国家的一切，现在却反过来告诉发展中国家他们不能使用他们的资源，这种想法是如此虚伪和危险。应该用其他激励措施来阻止这种情况的发生，顺便说一下，这种情况正在发生——以填饱发达国家的肚子，他们不想减少自己的消费或生活水平，但又确实想去告诉别人应该做什么。这不可接受。
The idea that developed nations that have deployed their countries of everything are now telling developing nations that they can''t use their resources is so hypocritical and dangerous. Other incentives should be used to stop this sort of situations which by the way are happening to satisfy the hunger of the developed nations that don''t want to reduce their consumption or rate of living but do want to go and tell others what to do. Not acceptable.
发达国家已经拥有了他们国家的一切，现在却反过来告诉发展中国家他们不能使用他们的资源，这种想法是如此虚伪和危险。应该用其他激励措施来阻止这种情况的发生，顺便说一下，这种情况正在发生——以填饱发达国家的肚子，他们不想减少自己的消费或生活水平，但又确实想去告诉别人应该做什么。这不可接受。
FlimsyForeskin
Well, we have, at least to some degree, learned from our own mistakes and don''t want other countries to make similar mistakes. Sure, in some way it''s unfair, but deforestation really needs to stop.
Edit: apparently people would like to see massive deforestation of the Amazon rainforest, just because "we" were also allowed to destroy our environment.
好吧，至少在某种程度上，我们已经从自己的错误中吸取了教训，并且不希望其他国家也犯类似的错误。当然，在某种程度上这是不公平的，但森林砍伐行为确实需要停止。
PS：显然，人们希望看到亚马逊雨林被大规模砍伐，仅仅因为“我们”曾经也被允许破坏我们的环境。
Well, we have, at least to some degree, learned from our own mistakes and don''t want other countries to make similar mistakes. Sure, in some way it''s unfair, but deforestation really needs to stop.
Edit: apparently people would like to see massive deforestation of the Amazon rainforest, just because "we" were also allowed to destroy our environment.
好吧，至少在某种程度上，我们已经从自己的错误中吸取了教训，并且不希望其他国家也犯类似的错误。当然，在某种程度上这是不公平的，但森林砍伐行为确实需要停止。
PS：显然，人们希望看到亚马逊雨林被大规模砍伐，仅仅因为“我们”曾经也被允许破坏我们的环境。
Flovati
You have to be really naive to actually belive that countries like UK, US and France wouldn''t do the same thing if they had control over the amazon.
你必须非常天真地相信，像英国、美国和法国这样的国家，如果换成它们控制了亚马逊，那它们肯定不会做（和巴西）同样的事情。
You have to be really naive to actually belive that countries like UK, US and France wouldn''t do the same thing if they had control over the amazon.
你必须非常天真地相信，像英国、美国和法国这样的国家，如果换成它们控制了亚马逊，那它们肯定不会做（和巴西）同样的事情。
PerreoEnLaDisco
You could reforest all your developed lands. No more farmland, sprawling cities, or suburbia. Could work on reforesting the 99% of North America that has been deforested.
你们也可以在所有已开发的土地上重新造林嘛。没有更多的农田，没有城市，没有郊区。可以对北美99%被砍伐的森林再重新造林嘛。
You could reforest all your developed lands. No more farmland, sprawling cities, or suburbia. Could work on reforesting the 99% of North America that has been deforested.
你们也可以在所有已开发的土地上重新造林嘛。没有更多的农田，没有城市，没有郊区。可以对北美99%被砍伐的森林再重新造林嘛。
Varen44
Do you want to invade coal mining countrys? Country where a Lot of meat is being eaten? With what authority do you want to tell a country how to use their resources if every other country uses theirs as they Like?
你想入侵煤矿开采的国家吗？入侵一个吃肉很多的国家么？如果其他国家都按照自己的意愿使用自己的资源，你又有什么权威去告诉一个国家该怎么使用他们的资源呢？
Do you want to invade coal mining countrys? Country where a Lot of meat is being eaten? With what authority do you want to tell a country how to use their resources if every other country uses theirs as they Like?
你想入侵煤矿开采的国家吗？入侵一个吃肉很多的国家么？如果其他国家都按照自己的意愿使用自己的资源，你又有什么权威去告诉一个国家该怎么使用他们的资源呢？
dtta8
It would certainly help cut their emissions, just like how the restrictions due to the outbreak has while people are staying at home.
这肯定会有助于减少他们的排放，就像人们因疫情而受到的限制呆在家里时一样。
It would certainly help cut their emissions, just like how the restrictions due to the outbreak has while people are staying at home.
这肯定会有助于减少他们的排放，就像人们因疫情而受到的限制呆在家里时一样。
Flovati
I agree with you, but the same logic can also be aplied to Brazil. Every single developed contry has already destroyed huge parts of their forests to develop themselfs, now that Brazil is doing the same they want to intervene?
我赞同你的看法，但同样的逻辑也适用于巴西。每个发达国家都已经为了发展自己而破坏了大片森林，现在巴西也在做同样的事情，但它们却想要干预？
I agree with you, but the same logic can also be aplied to Brazil. Every single developed contry has already destroyed huge parts of their forests to develop themselfs, now that Brazil is doing the same they want to intervene?
我赞同你的看法，但同样的逻辑也适用于巴西。每个发达国家都已经为了发展自己而破坏了大片森林，现在巴西也在做同样的事情，但它们却想要干预？
CharliDelReyJepsen
Other countries aren’t home to the largest rainforest in the world. The Amazon may be the single most important ecosystem on the planet.
但其他国家并没有世界上最大的雨林啊。亚马逊可能是地球上最重要的生态系统。
Other countries aren’t home to the largest rainforest in the world. The Amazon may be the single most important ecosystem on the planet.
但其他国家并没有世界上最大的雨林啊。亚马逊可能是地球上最重要的生态系统。
daredemo
For all the people saying other countries should follow the boycott, would you mind elaborating on you argument?
As a Brazilian I am not a Bolsonaro supporter in any way, but what gives other countries the right to dictate what should be done with our resources? I strongly believe the amazon should be preserved as well as our native brazilians comunities, but I don’t think many countries can push this boycott propaganda forward. If anything only the countries who specifically payed brazilian government for the protection of amazon. And even so they could either claim back their money or sever commercial ties with Brazil for the time being. UK is not on this list let alone UK supermarket owners.
I honestly believe there is a better way to solve it and pressure this bad government (from both sides) into doing the right thing.
对于所有说其他国家也应该效仿英国的抵制运动的那些人，你们介意详细阐述一下你们的观点吗？
作为一名巴西人，我并不是波索纳罗的支持者，但是，是什么赋予了其他国家权利来决定我们应该怎么使用我们自己的资源的呢？我坚信亚马逊应该像我们的巴西土著社区一样得到保护，但我不认为有很多国家能够推动这种抵制宣传。如果说有什么区别的话，那就是除了那些专门向巴西政府支付亚马逊保护费的国家（有提建议的资格）。即便如此，它们也可以要求收回资金，或者暂时断绝与巴西的商业联系。英国不在这个（出资）名单上，更不用说英国的超市老板们了。
老实说，我相信有更好的办法来解决这个问题，并迫使这个糟糕的政府（从两方面）做正确的事情。
For all the people saying other countries should follow the boycott, would you mind elaborating on you argument?
As a Brazilian I am not a Bolsonaro supporter in any way, but what gives other countries the right to dictate what should be done with our resources? I strongly believe the amazon should be preserved as well as our native brazilians comunities, but I don’t think many countries can push this boycott propaganda forward. If anything only the countries who specifically payed brazilian government for the protection of amazon. And even so they could either claim back their money or sever commercial ties with Brazil for the time being. UK is not on this list let alone UK supermarket owners.
I honestly believe there is a better way to solve it and pressure this bad government (from both sides) into doing the right thing.
对于所有说其他国家也应该效仿英国的抵制运动的那些人，你们介意详细阐述一下你们的观点吗？
作为一名巴西人，我并不是波索纳罗的支持者，但是，是什么赋予了其他国家权利来决定我们应该怎么使用我们自己的资源的呢？我坚信亚马逊应该像我们的巴西土著社区一样得到保护，但我不认为有很多国家能够推动这种抵制宣传。如果说有什么区别的话，那就是除了那些专门向巴西政府支付亚马逊保护费的国家（有提建议的资格）。即便如此，它们也可以要求收回资金，或者暂时断绝与巴西的商业联系。英国不在这个（出资）名单上，更不用说英国的超市老板们了。
老实说，我相信有更好的办法来解决这个问题，并迫使这个糟糕的政府（从两方面）做正确的事情。
DarkMadjick
I would be against the UK coming in and demanding Brazil to behave one way or another, however number one- the amazon rainforest contributes 6% of the world’s oxygen so its destruction does not affect just Brazil. Along with this, every country has a right to choose what country’s it does and does not want to trade with. If the UK does not want to financially support Brazil due to this deforestation, it is 100% its right to choose what products to stock in its stores
我反对英国介入，要求巴西做这样或那样的事，不管怎么讲，第一——亚马逊雨林贡献了世界上6%的氧气，所以它的破坏不只是影响巴西。与此同时，每个国家都有权选择与哪个国家进行贸易或不进行贸易。如果英国不想在经济上支持巴西的森林砍伐，那它有100%的权利自主选择商店的货架上放什么产品
I would be against the UK coming in and demanding Brazil to behave one way or another, however number one- the amazon rainforest contributes 6% of the world’s oxygen so its destruction does not affect just Brazil. Along with this, every country has a right to choose what country’s it does and does not want to trade with. If the UK does not want to financially support Brazil due to this deforestation, it is 100% its right to choose what products to stock in its stores
我反对英国介入，要求巴西做这样或那样的事，不管怎么讲，第一——亚马逊雨林贡献了世界上6%的氧气，所以它的破坏不只是影响巴西。与此同时，每个国家都有权选择与哪个国家进行贸易或不进行贸易。如果英国不想在经济上支持巴西的森林砍伐，那它有100%的权利自主选择商店的货架上放什么产品
Ark76RageMonster
Pretty silly when you remember the other 94% and what other countries have done to their own environments. Deforestation for us but not for you
当你想起其他94%的国家，以及其他国家过去对他们自己的环境所做的事情时，你会觉得（英国的呼吁）很愚蠢。砍伐的是我们的森林，不是你们的。
Pretty silly when you remember the other 94% and what other countries have done to their own environments. Deforestation for us but not for you
当你想起其他94%的国家，以及其他国家过去对他们自己的环境所做的事情时，你会觉得（英国的呼吁）很愚蠢。砍伐的是我们的森林，不是你们的。
DarkMadjick
Never said I wasn’t outraged by how my two countries (the US and the UK) have been behaving when it comes to the environment. All I am saying is that this is a completely valid response and English companies are completely within their right to take these actions.
从来没有说过我对我的两个国家（美国和英国）在环境问题上的行为不感到愤怒。我想说的是，这是一个完全有效的回应，并且英国公司完全有权利采取这些行动。
Never said I wasn’t outraged by how my two countries (the US and the UK) have been behaving when it comes to the environment. All I am saying is that this is a completely valid response and English companies are completely within their right to take these actions.
从来没有说过我对我的两个国家（美国和英国）在环境问题上的行为不感到愤怒。我想说的是，这是一个完全有效的回应，并且英国公司完全有权利采取这些行动。
Ark76RageMonster
Its not a valid response. Sure they are within their right but its pathetic and hypocritical. These companies are literally propped up by their own countries destructive development and now trying to stop others from achieving the same thing, through economic bullying.
Again, because they are economically powerful because their developed country did it 100 years ago.
Its selfish.
这不是一个有效的回应。当然他们是有权利的，但这是可悲和虚伪的。这些公司实际上是靠自己国家破坏性的发展才支撑起来的，现在却又试图通过经济欺凌阻止其他国家取得同样的成就。
再说一次，因为它们经济强大，因为它们所在的发达国家早在100年前就已经这样干过了。
这是自私。
Its not a valid response. Sure they are within their right but its pathetic and hypocritical. These companies are literally propped up by their own countries destructive development and now trying to stop others from achieving the same thing, through economic bullying.
Again, because they are economically powerful because their developed country did it 100 years ago.
Its selfish.
这不是一个有效的回应。当然他们是有权利的，但这是可悲和虚伪的。这些公司实际上是靠自己国家破坏性的发展才支撑起来的，现在却又试图通过经济欺凌阻止其他国家取得同样的成就。
再说一次，因为它们经济强大，因为它们所在的发达国家早在100年前就已经这样干过了。
这是自私。
PerreoEnLaDisco
And the UK wouldn’t be where it is today without centuries of foreign capital flowing into it at the dangerous end of a musket.
So should the current citizens of the UK commit themselves to destitution to give back what was taken?
并且如果没有几个世纪以来外国资本在英国枪口的威逼下流入英国，英国也不会发展成今天的样子。
所以，英国当前的公民是否应该致力于让自己陷入贫困，以归还被自己夺走的东西呢？
And the UK wouldn’t be where it is today without centuries of foreign capital flowing into it at the dangerous end of a musket.
So should the current citizens of the UK commit themselves to destitution to give back what was taken?
并且如果没有几个世纪以来外国资本在英国枪口的威逼下流入英国，英国也不会发展成今天的样子。
所以，英国当前的公民是否应该致力于让自己陷入贫困，以归还被自己夺走的东西呢？
DarkMadjick
I don’t disagree with you that English imperialism was brutal and evil- as a citizen, reparations for the damage has always been one of the key things I fight for. However, grocery stores refusing to stock Brazilian goods is not an example of imperialism- as I said before, every country has the right to decide whether it wants to trade with another. If Brazil decides it wants to stop supporting the UK it is also its right to stop supplying UK made goods. This would be imperialism if the UK was sending troops to Brazil to force Bolsonaro to stop destroying the rainforest
我不反对你说英国帝国主义是野蛮和邪恶的——作为一个公民，赔偿损失一直是我为之奋斗的关键事情之一。然而，杂货店拒绝储备巴西商品并不是帝国主义的案例——正如我之前所说，每个国家都有权决定是否与另一个国家进行贸易。如果巴西决定不再支持英国，它也有权停止供应英国制造的商品。如果英国向巴西派兵，迫使波索纳罗停止破坏雨林，那才是帝国主义
I don’t disagree with you that English imperialism was brutal and evil- as a citizen, reparations for the damage has always been one of the key things I fight for. However, grocery stores refusing to stock Brazilian goods is not an example of imperialism- as I said before, every country has the right to decide whether it wants to trade with another. If Brazil decides it wants to stop supporting the UK it is also its right to stop supplying UK made goods. This would be imperialism if the UK was sending troops to Brazil to force Bolsonaro to stop destroying the rainforest
我不反对你说英国帝国主义是野蛮和邪恶的——作为一个公民，赔偿损失一直是我为之奋斗的关键事情之一。然而，杂货店拒绝储备巴西商品并不是帝国主义的案例——正如我之前所说，每个国家都有权决定是否与另一个国家进行贸易。如果巴西决定不再支持英国，它也有权停止供应英国制造的商品。如果英国向巴西派兵，迫使波索纳罗停止破坏雨林，那才是帝国主义
PerreoEnLaDisco
So like the Opium Wars.
所以就像鸦片战争。
So like the Opium Wars.
所以就像鸦片战争。
DarkMadjick
The opium wars featured the UK VIOLATING another country’s right to choose whether it wanted to trade or not, not the UK refusing to buy chinese made goods because they didn’t like what the leader is doing
鸦片战争的特点是英国侵犯了另一个国家选择是否贸易的权利，而不是英国因为他们不喜欢对方领导人的做法而拒绝购买中国制造的商品，这是两码事
The opium wars featured the UK VIOLATING another country’s right to choose whether it wanted to trade or not, not the UK refusing to buy chinese made goods because they didn’t like what the leader is doing
鸦片战争的特点是英国侵犯了另一个国家选择是否贸易的权利，而不是英国因为他们不喜欢对方领导人的做法而拒绝购买中国制造的商品，这是两码事
PerreoEnLaDisco
Jesus Christ that’s my point.
If the British believe violence is a legitimate response to refusing to trade, they should accept a violent response.
上帝啊，这就是我的观点。
如果英国人认为暴力是对拒绝贸易的合理回应，那他们就应该接受暴力回应。
Jesus Christ that’s my point.
If the British believe violence is a legitimate response to refusing to trade, they should accept a violent response.
上帝啊，这就是我的观点。
如果英国人认为暴力是对拒绝贸易的合理回应，那他们就应该接受暴力回应。
DarkMadjick
Except that wasn’t a legitimate response, and the UK owes a lot of countries a lot of reparations for the damage it did. No country has the right to force a country into and out of trade deals- that is imperialism. The fact that the UK has done this in the past is very fucking problematic and warrants anger but it does not justify violence in response to english companies stocking what they want to stock
除了这不是一个合理的回应，英国欠很多国家很多因为它过去对它们造成的伤害的赔款。任何国家都无权强迫一个国家加入或退出贸易协定——这是帝国主义。英国过去这样做的事实是非常有问题的，值得愤怒，但这并不能证明针对英国公司囤积他们想要囤积的东西的暴力行为是正当的
Except that wasn’t a legitimate response, and the UK owes a lot of countries a lot of reparations for the damage it did. No country has the right to force a country into and out of trade deals- that is imperialism. The fact that the UK has done this in the past is very fucking problematic and warrants anger but it does not justify violence in response to english companies stocking what they want to stock
除了这不是一个合理的回应，英国欠很多国家很多因为它过去对它们造成的伤害的赔款。任何国家都无权强迫一个国家加入或退出贸易协定——这是帝国主义。英国过去这样做的事实是非常有问题的，值得愤怒，但这并不能证明针对英国公司囤积他们想要囤积的东西的暴力行为是正当的
PerreoEnLaDisco
I guess you’re right. Africa and Asia and Latin America just need to square up to the fact that what was done to them is not ok to do others. Life’s not fair, suck it up.
我想你是对的。非洲、亚洲和拉丁美洲只需要正视这样一个事实：过去对它们所做的事情，现在不能对其他国家做。生活是不公平的，接受现实吧。
I guess you’re right. Africa and Asia and Latin America just need to square up to the fact that what was done to them is not ok to do others. Life’s not fair, suck it up.
我想你是对的。非洲、亚洲和拉丁美洲只需要正视这样一个事实：过去对它们所做的事情，现在不能对其他国家做。生活是不公平的，接受现实吧。
Xenomemphate
Unfortunately, yes. If you get assaulted in the streets that doesn''t give you permission to go around assaulting people. Being a victim of something doesn''t grant you immunity to that thing.
很不幸，就是这样。如果你在街上被侵犯了，这并不意味着你就可以到处去侵犯别人。成为某种行为的受害者并不会让你能因为它开脱。
Unfortunately, yes. If you get assaulted in the streets that doesn''t give you permission to go around assaulting people. Being a victim of something doesn''t grant you immunity to that thing.
很不幸，就是这样。如果你在街上被侵犯了，这并不意味着你就可以到处去侵犯别人。成为某种行为的受害者并不会让你能因为它开脱。
phhoff
With all respect for your rights, what you call a resource of your country is an essential part of a global climate regulating system that affects every living thing on the planet. It just happens to be INSIDE the political borders of your country. If you ask me, your goverment is committing a crime against mankind.
尽管尊重你们的权利，但你们所谓的“你们自己的国家资源”是影响地球上每一个生物的全球气候调节系统的重要组成部分。它只是碰巧在你们国家的政治边界之内而已。如果你们问我，那我会说你们的政府正在犯下危害人类的罪行。
With all respect for your rights, what you call a resource of your country is an essential part of a global climate regulating system that affects every living thing on the planet. It just happens to be INSIDE the political borders of your country. If you ask me, your goverment is committing a crime against mankind.
尽管尊重你们的权利，但你们所谓的“你们自己的国家资源”是影响地球上每一个生物的全球气候调节系统的重要组成部分。它只是碰巧在你们国家的政治边界之内而已。如果你们问我，那我会说你们的政府正在犯下危害人类的罪行。
daredemo
I agree with you that the amazon is an important resource to the entire world even though it is inside our border, but there are better ways to solve this and seeing all comments here saying we should be fucked because of a president only half the country elected is messed up. Even more by not listening to what the population have to say about it. The government is commiting a crime against humanity, so in return should every Brazilian be held accountable?
Most countries who are pushing this forward did not give a damn until now about environment crimes, and guess what, they still dont care.
Just so you know most Brazilians also hate our government position about it.
To me a most reasonable way would be to either negotiate or do what you can at your own country because I dont trust our government capacity to negotiate.
Imagine if I said how should France run the louvre because the amount of cultural heritage to humanity inside of it is imeasurable. It just happens it is inside their borders... it does not sound right to me.
我赞同你的看法，尽管亚马逊位于我们境内，但它对全世界来说都是一种重要的资源，但是有更好的方法来解决这个问题，看看这里所有的评论吧，说我们应该因为只有一半国家的人选举出来的总统制造的混乱而被cao。并且因为这个总统不去听人们的意见而更应该被cao。政府正在犯下反人类罪，所以作为回报，所有巴西人都应该被问责吗？
大多数推动这一进程的国家直到现在才开始稍微注意到环境犯罪，你猜怎么着，它们还是不关心。
正如你所知道的，大多数巴西人也讨厌我们的政府在这方面的立场。
对我来说，最合理的方式是在你自己的国家进行谈判或尽你所能，因为我不信任我们政府的谈判能力。
想象一下，如果我说，法国应该怎么管理卢浮宫，因为里面的文化遗产对人类来说是不可估量的。只是碰巧卢浮宫在他们的国境之内而已……那我的观点听起来不太对。
I agree with you that the amazon is an important resource to the entire world even though it is inside our border, but there are better ways to solve this and seeing all comments here saying we should be fucked because of a president only half the country elected is messed up. Even more by not listening to what the population have to say about it. The government is commiting a crime against humanity, so in return should every Brazilian be held accountable?
Most countries who are pushing this forward did not give a damn until now about environment crimes, and guess what, they still dont care.
Just so you know most Brazilians also hate our government position about it.
To me a most reasonable way would be to either negotiate or do what you can at your own country because I dont trust our government capacity to negotiate.
Imagine if I said how should France run the louvre because the amount of cultural heritage to humanity inside of it is imeasurable. It just happens it is inside their borders... it does not sound right to me.
我赞同你的看法，尽管亚马逊位于我们境内，但它对全世界来说都是一种重要的资源，但是有更好的方法来解决这个问题，看看这里所有的评论吧，说我们应该因为只有一半国家的人选举出来的总统制造的混乱而被cao。并且因为这个总统不去听人们的意见而更应该被cao。政府正在犯下反人类罪，所以作为回报，所有巴西人都应该被问责吗？
大多数推动这一进程的国家直到现在才开始稍微注意到环境犯罪，你猜怎么着，它们还是不关心。
正如你所知道的，大多数巴西人也讨厌我们的政府在这方面的立场。
对我来说，最合理的方式是在你自己的国家进行谈判或尽你所能，因为我不信任我们政府的谈判能力。
想象一下，如果我说，法国应该怎么管理卢浮宫，因为里面的文化遗产对人类来说是不可估量的。只是碰巧卢浮宫在他们的国境之内而已……那我的观点听起来不太对。
flippantshecreature
This makes no sense. You don’t want anyone telling Brazil what to do with the rainforest that is critical to and impacts the entire global population, but you want to tell grocery stores they shouldn’t boycott a corrupt government hell bent on ruining the planet? God I hate hypocrites.
这毫无道理。你不想让任何人告诉巴西该怎么处理对全球人口至关重要的热带雨林，但你却想告诉杂货店，它们不应该抵制一个一心要毁灭地球的腐败政府？上帝，我讨厌伪君子。
This makes no sense. You don’t want anyone telling Brazil what to do with the rainforest that is critical to and impacts the entire global population, but you want to tell grocery stores they shouldn’t boycott a corrupt government hell bent on ruining the planet? God I hate hypocrites.
这毫无道理。你不想让任何人告诉巴西该怎么处理对全球人口至关重要的热带雨林，但你却想告诉杂货店，它们不应该抵制一个一心要毁灭地球的腐败政府？上帝，我讨厌伪君子。
daredemo
I am sorry if I didnt make myself clear. I do think there should be pressure on our government for what they are doing to the amazon, however I dont think the amazon should be treated as a world wide resource because it is not, despite its importance to the entire world (and mostly to us and our native brazilians).
I do think there should be pressure on our president and his associates alone, not on the entire nation.
Dont hate on me, I am just saying I dont think people should boycott our entire nation on the decision of a bad president as not everyone voted on him and most people dont agree with his position on this issue.
Like you I also dont like hypocrites, thats why I think that If UK or France or USA is concerned about the environment there are other ways to act, like stop supporting china’s factories, reducing radioactive disposal, increase renewable energy funds and sources and so on.
Because these same countries are being hypocritical, and most the people here cant see it, that I am saying they should not be telling us what to do.
如果我没说清楚，我很抱歉。我确实认为我们的政府应该为他们对亚马逊所做的事情被施加压力，然而，我不认为亚马逊应该被当作全球资源，因为它不是，尽管它对整个世界（主要是对我们自己和巴西土著）很重要。
我确实认为应该只对我们的总统和他的同僚施压，而不是对整个国家。
不要记恨我，我只是说，我认为人们不应该因为一个坏总统的决定而抵制我们整个国家，因为不是所有人都投票给他的，而且大多数人都不赞同他在这个问题上的立场。
和你一样，我也不喜欢伪君子，这就是为什么我认为，如果英国、法国或美国关心环境，那么它们有其他方式来采取行动，比如停止支持中国的工厂，减少放射性处理，增加可再生能源资金和来源等等（而不是抵制巴西贸易）。
因为这些国家是虚伪的，这里的大多数人看不到这一点，所以我才说它们不应该告诉我们该做什么。
I am sorry if I didnt make myself clear. I do think there should be pressure on our government for what they are doing to the amazon, however I dont think the amazon should be treated as a world wide resource because it is not, despite its importance to the entire world (and mostly to us and our native brazilians).
I do think there should be pressure on our president and his associates alone, not on the entire nation.
Dont hate on me, I am just saying I dont think people should boycott our entire nation on the decision of a bad president as not everyone voted on him and most people dont agree with his position on this issue.
Like you I also dont like hypocrites, thats why I think that If UK or France or USA is concerned about the environment there are other ways to act, like stop supporting china’s factories, reducing radioactive disposal, increase renewable energy funds and sources and so on.
Because these same countries are being hypocritical, and most the people here cant see it, that I am saying they should not be telling us what to do.
如果我没说清楚，我很抱歉。我确实认为我们的政府应该为他们对亚马逊所做的事情被施加压力，然而，我不认为亚马逊应该被当作全球资源，因为它不是，尽管它对整个世界（主要是对我们自己和巴西土著）很重要。
我确实认为应该只对我们的总统和他的同僚施压，而不是对整个国家。
不要记恨我，我只是说，我认为人们不应该因为一个坏总统的决定而抵制我们整个国家，因为不是所有人都投票给他的，而且大多数人都不赞同他在这个问题上的立场。
和你一样，我也不喜欢伪君子，这就是为什么我认为，如果英国、法国或美国关心环境，那么它们有其他方式来采取行动，比如停止支持中国的工厂，减少放射性处理，增加可再生能源资金和来源等等（而不是抵制巴西贸易）。
因为这些国家是虚伪的，这里的大多数人看不到这一点，所以我才说它们不应该告诉我们该做什么。
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