为什么二战中的意大利军队如此无能？

Memetastic
Italy: Tells Germanythey're gonna invade something
5 SecondsLater
Italy: Yeah uhGermany? Remember that invasion?
Germany: Yes?
Italy: Hey can yousend help?
Germany:

意大利：通知德国元首，他们可以发动攻击了！
5秒后…
意大利：呃，德国？你还记得刚才的攻击命令吗？
德国：对啊，怎么了？
意大利：你……能不能来支援下我……
德国：……
JaKsNERF, reviews and showcase（回复Memetastic）

Germany: *plans to save the U.S. for later when theh are strong*
Japan: whoops!
Japan: Uhhh Hitler,you know how we were saving America for later?
Germany: yeah.
Japan: I may havekinda maybe accidentally bombed their boats directly against one of theirports...
Germany: NEINEINEINEINEIN

德国：先不要惹美国，她太强了!
日本：啊！
日本：希特勒，我们是不是先不要惹美国？
德国：对啊！
日本：我不小心在美国港口把他们的船给炸了……
德国：……

Isaac Moonton
Germany: Come on guys, we are losing!
Italy: Don't worry I have a plan
Italy left the game

德国：给点力啊兄弟们，我们要输掉了！
意大利：别急，我有一妙计！
意大利离开了游戏……
Andrew Gaming（回复Isaac Moonton）

Italy would neverleave. They will only betrac

意大利这个猪队友从来都不会退出游戏，她会选择反水。
VALDIGNE （回复Memetastic）

Mussolini trustedHitler too much, when in reality he should have remained neutral and defend theStelvio Pass from a German invasion. From the Iron age time, through modernhistory, Germany always sacks Italy.

墨索里尼太过于信任希特勒。实际上，他应该保持中立，并保护斯泰尔维奥山口免受纳粹德国的入侵。从铁器时代一直到现在，德国都在洗劫我们意大利。

DominiqueCharriere
Rommel was amazedwith the strength of the Italian soldiers in Afrika. They went on fighting withno ammunition, no food, or just what the Germans could give them. The hugeproblem of Italy was the logistic and army administration, corrupted andinefficient.

其实，隆美尔还是很欣赏非洲战场意大利士兵的战斗力的。在弹尽粮绝的情况下，这些意大利士兵会利用一切武器来作战。而意大利军队面对的最大问题，就是后勤、管理、腐败和低效。
Silver Fletcher（回复DominiqueCharriere）

Apart from theramshakle equipment of the Italian army, the Italian soldiers were notmotivated for that war because it was an aggression war absolutely unjustified.Nobody was threatening Italy and the Italian soldiers had not to defend theirmother country against invaders. It was Mussolini's war, only his war.

除了武器上的劣势，意大利士兵的军心也很大问题，因为，意大利发动的是非法入侵战争。当时，根本就没有国家对意大利产生威胁，而意大利士兵也不是在保卫祖国免受入侵。这一切，不过是墨索里尼个人发动的战争罢了。
Javier Lopez（回复DominiqueCharriere）

The huge problem inItaly was the total lack of a profesional trained army, resources, industry,tecnology....everything. Even France in the early days of the war was moreprepared than Italy forces, Germany lost a lot of time and resources to savethe Mussolini′s ass... in fact, Italy would be more usefull being a non belligerentcountry like Spain.

意大利军队的主要问题是，它基本上什么都缺，包括专业训练、资源、工业支撑、技术等等。在战争早期，即便是法国也比意大利军队准备更加充分。为了给墨索里尼擦屁股，纳粹德国耗费了大量的时间和金钱。实际上，如果意大利在二战中成为中立国，就像西班牙那样，那就是帮了德国的大忙了。
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Mar Kav
My grandfather was 10years old during the Italian invasion of Greece and said that when theyarrested any Italian soldier on Greek territory, they were very young andvulnerable and cried a lot. Poor guys...

意大利入侵希腊时，我的爷爷才10岁。他对我说，当他们在希腊俘虏意大利士兵时发现，意大利士兵都是非常小而且脆弱的孩子，被俘虏后一直哭个不停。真是可怜的家伙……
VALDIGNE（回复Mar Kav）

Italian soldiers werenot happy with Mussolini decision to invade Greece, morale was low as theydidn't want to fight against their Hellenic brothers.

意大利士兵根本就不满意墨索里尼入侵希腊的决定，他们的士气十分低落，根本就不想和自己的希腊人兄弟作战。

Justafan IV
After Italy's longhistory of backstabbing, karma decided to backstab their competence.

在历史上，意大利这个国家经常反水，战斗能力的衰弱完全就是因果效应。
Pedro Salvador（回复JustafanIV）

Technically Italynever backstabbed...

技术上来讲，意大利的反水也没什么作用……
Justafan IV（回复PedroSalvador）

Well if you want toget technical. But they had a alliance with Germany and Austria-Hungary beforethe first World War, and even if you accept that the treaty didn't compel themto enter the war, they went and attacked their former allies the moment it lookedlike they could take some Austrian land.
Then in the SecondWorld War they capitulated to the allies in short order. Not that I will holdturning against Hitler against them, it was probably the smartest move theycould make at the time. However, it doesn't necessarily speak well to theirtrack record for loyalty.

从技术上来讲，在第一次世界大战前，意大利与德国和奥匈德国就建立了同盟，但是，这种同盟关系并未强迫意大利参战，可是意大利做了什么，她却反水攻击了前盟友，仅仅是为了夺取奥地利的土地。
在第二次世界大战中，意大利又在极短的时间内便向盟军投降了。并不是说，我反对这种行为，也许这是当时最好的决定了。但是，这的确给意大利的忠诚度上带来了污点。
Pedro Salvador（回复JustafanIV）

You doknow that the "backstabbing" attempt was made by the King of Italy withPietro Badoglio with some popular support right? Mussolini never betrayedHitler, and, even if Italy did attacked their former allies, so did Germany, Imean, the history of Germany with Austria (and Russia! Since it was a part ofthe holy alliance) is basically alliance war, war alliance, alliance war, whyGermany is not considered a backstabbing country too?

你应该知道，意大利反水的决定，是意大利国王与佩特罗·巴多格里奥在民众支持下所做的。而墨索里尼从未背叛过希特勒。意大利的确攻击过前盟友，可是德国没有这种行为吗？德国与奥地利（包括俄罗斯！她也是神圣联盟的一部分）的历史，基本上就是一种联盟战争。为什么没有人觉得德国也是一个反水国家呢？

Patrick Hair
The Italians were notas bad as depicted. There was also some luck involved. The excellent ItalianNavy was taken by surprise by their own Pearl Harbor at Taranto. Note that theaircraft dropping the torpedoes, were British Bi_Planes. After that, theItalians , in fear of more of the same, scattered their ships all over so thatthe Allies couldn't sink them all at once. Considering how the war went, theymight as well have acted more boldly in cooperation with the Germans. Lack ofindustry and foresight caused them to not have an aircraft carrier which wouldhave made the Italian Navy a fearful threat. They were also slow in developingradar. To be fair, they also were used to fighting mostly land battles and didnot think strategically in the use of their Navy and Air Force which were useddefensively for the most part.

其实，二战中的意大利军队并不是那么无能，有时只是对方运气好罢了。当时，英国皇家的双翼飞机偶然发现了停留在塔兰托港口的优秀意大利海军，然后英国飞机开始投掷鱼雷，意大利军队为了防止被群灭，便迅速将船只分散开。尽管看到了当时战争的走向，意大利还是大胆地与德国进行了合作。但是，由于缺乏重工业和远见，意大利未能建造航空母舰，因而意大利海军无法成为一只强大的力量。不仅如此，意大利研制雷达的进度也是非常缓慢。说句公道话，意大利军队一直都在发动陆地战，却在使用海军和空军力量时缺乏战略性规划，经常把海军和空军用于防御，而非进攻。

The Air Force waspretty well trained and did not consist of mostly Bi-planes. Certainly not anymore than the British. When the war started, the Italians had to go up againstBritish aircraft of equal obsolescence: the Hart bi-plane,Swordfish bi-plane, Fairey ALbacore bi-plane, Gloster Gladiator bi-plane, GlosterGauntlet bi-plane as well as some mono-planes like the Skua andFairey Battle that were not so great. The Hurricane was a decent aircraft butwas no better than the Italian Re 2000/2001/2002, Macchi 200/202, and Fiat G50, and Caproni F4 and F6. Like the Germans, the Italians had no heavy bombersbecause they were not planning to "rule the world". They were insteaddefending themselves from Communist take-overs from the Soviet unx or byproxy from near Communist Britain and the US.

意大利空军训练有素，但空军飞机大部分都不是双翼战斗机，根本和英国皇家空军比不了。二战爆发后，意大利人不得不使用过时的战机来对抗英国先进飞机，包括：霍克“雄鹿”双翼鱼雷轰炸机、菲尔利剑鱼式双翼鱼雷轰炸机、青花魚式双翼鱼雷轰炸机、格斗式双翼战斗机、铁手套式双翼战斗机，以及一些并不是特别出名的单翼贼鸥式战斗轰炸机和巴特尔轰炸机。英国皇家飓风战斗机性能十分出众，但是意大利也拥有同样水平的战斗机，比如意大利雷贾尼2000/2001/2002型战斗机、马基200/202型战斗机、菲亚特G50型战斗机、卡普罗尼F4与F6型战斗机。但是，和德国不同，意大利并没有计划统治全世界，所以她并没有研发重型轰炸机。意大利只是要保护自己免受苏联、英国和美国代理人的攻击而已。

The army was in badshape equipment wise. They needed a semi-automatic rifle. The artillery andanti-tank crews were excellent but were forced to use artillery ammunition fromWW1 which explains the low effectiveness of blasts. The guns themselves were good.The 47mm anti-tank gun was much better than the British 2 pounder and could beused as a light infantry field gun with it's decent High Explosive (HE) shell.The M13/40, M14/41, and M15/42 were better than the British "armouredcoffins" otherwise known as the A-9, A-10, A-13, and the early CrusaderA-15 1 and 2. British writers often poke fun of Italian tanks and how theybroke down so much that it was a marvel that any made it to the battlefield atall. But they don't mention that 4th Armoured Brigade literally destroyeditself with breakdowns retreating in April 1941 back to Egypt. Seriously. Noteven ONE tank remained due mostly to breakdowns and the fact that they were notas good as the Italian tanks in 1940 and 1941. Only the Matilda was better but wasconsidered a heavy tank for that time. Who makes Heavy tanks??? Those PLANNINGfor war. The Soviet unx (KV-1 and 2), Britain (Matilda), and France (Char B1and 2). The anti-aircraft gun being used against tanks was done by the Italiansin Africa. The 76Lmm and 90Lmm able to destroy a Matildawhich they did at Bardia and Tobruk in December of 1940. In fact theItalian 90Lmm Anti-aircraft gun being used as an anti-tank gun was a little bitBETTER than the German 88.

不仅如此，意大利军队在武器配置上也很不明智。意大利军队真正需要的是半自动步枪。意大利炮兵与反坦克人员十分出色，但他们却不得不使用一战遗留下来的炮兵弹药，造成的结果是，弹药成功爆炸的比例十分低。意大利的火炮质量非常高。意大利47毫米反坦克炮的质量远远高于英国2磅炮，它可以用作轻型野战炮，并发射高爆炮弹。意大利M13/40、M14/41以及M15/42型坦克质量要高于英国的“装甲坟墓”，也就是A-9、A-10、A-13和英国早期型号的十字军A-151型与2型坦克。英国人经常会取笑意大利的坦克，说它们经常会掉链子，能够完好地抵达战场简直就是奇迹。但是，英国人却绝口不提自己第四装甲旅在1941年4月退守埃及的过程中，坦克却因为故障问题而导致战斗失败。基本上所有的英军坦克都因故障问题而被毁。
而且，在1940年和1941年，英军的坦克质量根本就不能和意大利坦克相比。当时，只有英国的玛蒂尔达步兵坦克质量尚可。不过在那个年代，它一直被视作一款重型坦克。在那个年代，什么国家会生产重型坦克呢？答案是——只有那些准备发动战争的国家。在那个年代，生产重型坦克的国家还包括前苏联（KV-1和2型重型坦克）、英国（玛蒂尔达）和法国（巴塔耶B1和B2型重型坦克）。那个时候，意大利驻非洲军队却不得不使用高射炮来攻击敌人的坦克。在巴尔迪亚和托布鲁克，意大利成功使用76Lmm和90Lmm炮摧毁英军的玛蒂尔达步兵坦克。事实上，将意大利90Lmm高射炮用于反坦克炮，其效果反而要好于德国的88炮。

In Europe, the choicewas Communism or Fascism. I would have preferred Fascism. And most Communistleaders were Jews---which explains a lot about their suffering. Most books and"official" historical accounts were by British writers who were soobviously biased. They even detract from the legacy of the American soldier andminimize their contributions in battle while making themselves always soundgallant and great. My father, who fought in the AMerican Army called theBritish "Limey Bastards". He preferred the Germans. The Italians werenot ready for World War. But they didn't want Communism either. So the battlewas forced on them as it was on Germany when the International Jewish Committeedeclared social and economic war on Germany in March of 1933 and vowed todestroy them eventually. So they did the best that they could under thecircumstances. I could also show you quotes from German officers and evenRommel who praised their Italian Allies in many instances. The ItalianSemovente 75/40 and 90mm helped stop the Allies at Kasserine Pass in Tunisiaand in the defense of Italy. The Semovente self-propelled artillery/anti-tankgun could easily knock out American SHermans and often did just that.

当时，可供欧洲国家选择的政治形态只有法西斯主义，而我比较青睐后者。大多数的领导人都是犹太人——这就很好地解释了，为什么欧洲犹太人会遭受重大损失。大多数书籍和“官方”历史档案都是由英国人编写的，但是他们都充满了偏见。他们甚至贬低了美国士兵在二战中的贡献，借此来凸显自己的英勇和伟大。我的父亲曾经在美国军队服役，他们都称呼英国人为“杂种”。而相比之下，他们更喜欢德国人。所以，当时意大利人根本就没有为世界大战做准备，但他们也不想要接受一共产主义。1933年3月，当国际犹太集团宣布对德国发动社会与经济战争，并发誓要摧毁德国时，意大利就被迫加入世界大战了。因此，意大利在那种情况下已经尽力了。我可以举出德国军官，甚至隆美尔对意大利联盟的赞美。意大利75/40和90mm移动炮台有效地阻止盟国通过突尼斯，并成功保护了意大利。意大利自行火炮与反坦克炮能够轻易击毁美国谢尔曼坦克。

In conclusion: theprimary reason the "Italians did so poorly" aside from not beingready for a World War with Communist forces in the Soviet unx, The BritishCommonwealth (controlled by Jewish Communist bankers), and the United States(also controlled by Jewish Communist bankers), having a small industrial base,having to import fuel, and having inadequate small-arms for their groundforces, was slanted, biased, fake-news history writing by the mostly Britishauthors. And I know this because I did the research and am a published wargamedesigner who designed "OPeration Compass" and "RetakingCyrenacia" covering June, 1940-May, 1941 in the North African desertbetween the British and Italians and Germans.

结论：“意大利这么差劲”的首要原因是：意大利根本没有做好准备在世界大战中对抗前苏联军队、英联邦（犹太主义银行家掌控）和美国（同样由犹太主义银行家掌控），工业基础薄弱、依赖石油进口、陆军缺乏轻武器，以及英国人在不断发表那种充满偏见和虚假新闻的历史书籍。我之所以了解这些内容，是因为我曾经做过研究，而且在1940年6月至1941年5月期间设计了两款基于英国、意大利和德国军队在北非沙漠战场的两款游戏，即“罗盘行动”和“昔兰尼加争夺战”。
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TLOUGROUNDED & MULTIPLAYER
France defeat in onemounth (Operation Fall Gelb : BEGUN 10 May 1940 - FINISH 4 June 1940)
Italy defeat in threeyears.....(Campain of Italy : BEGUN 10 July 1943 - FINISH 2 May 1945)
AND ITALY WAS WORSTOF FRANCE??? AHAHHAHA yeah of course

法国1个月就缴械投降了（1940年5月10日开战——1940年6月4日结束战斗）
意大利3年缴械投降（1943年7月10日开战——1945年5月2日结束战斗）
大家还认为意大利比法国还差劲吗？哈哈！
Ronaldjr Montagne（回复TLOUGROUNDED & MULTIPLAYER）

French defeat wasless of French incompetence but more a show off of the German War machine, onlysurrendering after the most of its army destroyed by the German push throughthe Ardennes that once were thought to be naturally impenetrable ( beingextremely mountainous and wooded) , after that the French surrendered becauseif not it would have changed nothing except Paris being bombed to the ground...Meanwhile the Italian loss was less a show off their opponents strength but ashow of incompetence of the higher ups and lacking resources, AND also enteringa war that they could obviously not win without the Germans helping them every2 steps...

法国战败投降，并不是因为法国的无能，而是因为德国战争机器太过强大。当德国军队穿过那曾经天然不可逾越的阿登高地（到处是山地与树林）并摧毁法国大部分军队时，法国只能选择投降。否则，巴黎将毁于德国的狂轰滥炸之下。而与此同时，意大利战败投降，并不是因为敌人的力量威胁，而是因为高层人员和资源缺乏。而且，如果没有德国的帮忙，意大利几乎无法赢得任何战争。

Submarine
How come nobodymentions 200,000 british surrendering to 25,000 japanese in Singapore in 1942without a fight ? or the fact the british got booted out of europe 3x atnorway,dunkirk and crete ? Dunkirk wow,what military brilliance surroundedand defeated with not much of a fight. HOW about the 300,000 germanswho surrendered to the soviets at operation Bragation ? in 44. Or germanbrilliance losing a whole army at stalingrad with no strategic value for them ?or german brilliance declaring war on the usa in dec 41,The USA with all itsendless reserves even though the USA did not intend to go to war with GERMANY.tHE soviets destroid over 85 percent of the german army.Itwas stalins blunder to ignore reports of a german invasion.when the soviets gotit together,their weaponry and tactics drove the germans right back to berlinand wiped out 200 tears of prussian miliarism

1942年，驻扎新加坡的20万英国军人没打一仗就向2万5千日本兵投降了，怎么没有人提一提这件事呢？英国军队在欧洲发生3次军事大撤退，分别在挪威、敦刻尔克和克里特岛，怎么没人提呢？呵呵，英国在敦刻尔克连像样的战斗都没有，有的只是被包围和溃败。在巴格拉基昂行动中，有30万德国人向苏联红军投降。在1944年，德国在斯大林格勒丢掉了整个部队，却根本就没有实现自己的战略目标。1941年12月，德国向拥有无尽资源的美国宣战，而当时，美国甚至根本没有计划向德国开战。德国军队的85%都是被苏联红军所消灭的。当然了，忽视德国入侵报道确实是斯大林的错。但是，当前苏联开始反击时，她用自己的武器与战术成功将德国人赶回到了柏林，并消灭了长达200年的普鲁士军国主义。
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Tom Palmer
The Italian Army hada heritage of incompetence stemming from World War I. Italian officers wouldlaunch an ineffective attack and get a bunch of Italian soldiers killed. Thenthe Generals would back off, regroup, and launch the same attack again, with predictableresults. Italian soldiers had to wear cardboard shoes with wooden soles. Somewealthy probably made a fortune off those shoes.

意大利继承了第一次世界大战时的无能。意大利军队长官总是会发动无用的攻击，让大量的士兵白白送死。然后，意大利将军们就会后退，重新集结部队，然后再让意大利军人去送死，而结果是显而易见的。这些士兵竟然要穿那种木质鞋底的纸板鞋，一些富人可是会靠卖这种鞋赚钱的。

Attedus1
The Italian soldierfought bravely but the lack of modern and effective weapons was a severehandicap. If they had been better equipped, the North African campaign wouldhave been longer and even more savage. In the end, the Allies would have woneither way.

意大利士兵作战很勇敢，但缺乏有效的现代武器，而这是一个致命缺陷。如果意大利军队可以获取更好的武器，那北非战役就要持续更长的时间了。但是，盟军还是会取得最终胜利的。

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